Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

average_runner · 23-04-2021 03:51PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The stupidity of these "rules" is massive

Was out over lunch looking for a cheap, light jacket for my evening walks so called into Dunnes. They had 2 you could buy, but not the one I wanted less than 12 foot away in the same section (those were blocked off with boxes).

I know it's been covered many times before but it's still absolutely ridiculous.

Homestore more can't sell plates/knives/forks etc, but Dunnes can.
But homestore can sell cup cake equipment!!

Just order online from Dunnes

OwenM · 23-04-2021 03:52PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Forget about France or Florida or anywhere else.

Do you think that if we had 5,000 cases today, we would need the same amount of hospital capacity as we needed for 5,000 cases back in late Dec/Jan?

Just answer that question please?

He won't, wait for the misdirection or change of subject....

Boggles · 23-04-2021 03:53PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Forget about France or Florida or anywhere else.

Do you think that if we had 5,000 cases today, we would need the same amount of hospital capacity as we needed for 5,000 cases back in late Dec/Jan?

Just answer that question please?

If we recorded one day of 5,000 cases, no.

But you do know that's not how this works right?

OwenM · 23-04-2021 03:55PM

Boggles wrote: »

If we recorded one day of 5,000 cases, no.

But you do know that's not how this works right?

It actually is how it works, because large numbers of vulnerable people are vaccinated and seasonality.

charlie14 · 23-04-2021 03:59PM

niallo27 wrote: »

The matches are on in June. Nobody said now.

So you believe we should allow crowds of 11,000 by June.
Have you any criteria for doing that by June, or is it just based on "because somewhere else thinks its a good idea"

You know like that pesky science stuff on vaccinations and case numbers.

charlie14 · 23-04-2021 04:06PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Forget about France or Florida or anywhere else.

Do you think that if we had 5,000 cases today, we would need the same amount of hospital capacity as we needed for 5,000 cases back in late Dec/Jan?

Just answer that question please?

Few days ago in Sweden a country with just twice our population at the same level of vaccinations, or even a bit higher than Ireland, but with light touch restrictions over 400 in ICU and 2,133 in hospital beds due to Covid.

just saying.

Boggles · 23-04-2021 04:09PM

OwenM wrote: »

It actually is how it works, because large numbers of vulnerable people are vaccinated and seasonality.

Huh?

So we record 5,000 cases today and seasonality?

What season is it currently in France as they approach the peak of 6,000 in ICU?

Or Sweden for that matter who at this stage must have high levels of acquired immunity?

Yes, it’s really that bad’: Several Swedish regions reach maximum intensive care capacity

Several Swedish regions have reached their maximum capacity for intensive care and been forced to ask other regions for help as the continued high spread of Covid-19 is leading to more people – especially young people – requiring hospital treatment.

Health Minister Lena Hallengren called a briefing on Wednesday to underline the severity of the situation in the nation’s intensive care departments.

“In several places in the healthcare sector, more people are being cared for than at any time during the pandemic,”

Boggles · 23-04-2021 04:12PM

niallo27 wrote: »

The matches are on in June. Nobody said now.

The Euros kick of in 7 weeks, UEFA tried to dictate public health during a pandemic.

They were told (rightly) they could do not do that, so they fúcked off.

What's the problem?

UEFA are solely about making profit, or did you believe all that wambulance talk about "the fans" when the super league was touted?

_Kaiser_ · 23-04-2021 04:15PM

average_runner wrote: »

Just order online from Dunnes

You're missing the point... of course I can just order from Dunnes (or a better one elsewhere), but I was looking for something quickly and cheap enough in the interim.

There's no reason why they can sell some jackets but not others.. or some clothing but not others. Not when it's all in the same section anyway.

As I will probably get a better one online instead (and likely from a UK based company), that's a sale lost locally and domestically which isn't an insignificant issue when you look at just how much is being bought online from abroad at the moment.

Will these people return to shopping locally when the selection is limited and just as/more expensive than the online option? Even Irish online retail suffers both of these issues.

We're causing untold damage to the economy for nonsensical, illogical rules and "just in case" methodology.

Chris_5339762 · 23-04-2021 04:18PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

The stupidity of these "rules" is massive

Was out over lunch looking for a cheap, light jacket for my evening walks so called into Dunnes. They had 2 you could buy, but not the one I wanted less than 12 foot away in the same section (those were blocked off with boxes).

I know it's been covered many times before but it's still absolutely ridiculous.

Hop the boxes and buy one. If needs be go to a self service till.

Boggles · 23-04-2021 04:19PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Will these people return to shopping locally when the selection is limited and just as/more expensive than the online option?

Maybe someone can fire up the footage from Pennies the last couple of times it reopened.

Like a scene from the famine when the bread cart rolled in.

PTH2009 · 23-04-2021 04:22PM

When you sit down and think about it 'how ****ing ridiculous' are some of the those rules. Does covid know the difference between buying milk and buying a jacket/toy.

It's like something out of the Killinaskully, our leaders all highly intelligent people signing off on these makes its worse

Allinall · 23-04-2021 04:24PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

When you sit down and think about it 'how ****ing ridiculous' are some of the those rules. Does covid know the difference between buying milk and buying a jacket/toy.

It's like something out of the Killinaskully, our leaders all highly intelligent people signing off on these makes its worse

It's essential V non essential.

Unbelievable that after a year this still has to be explained.

PTH2009 · 23-04-2021 04:25PM

Allinall wrote: »

It's essential V non essential.

Unbelievable that after a year this still has to be explained.

I know its non essential it's just ridiculous why the gap is there (not having a go at you btw)

timmyntc · 23-04-2021 04:26PM

Allinall wrote: »

It's essential V non essential.

Unbelievable that after a year this still has to be explained.

How are clothes not deemed essential?
If they wont let me run around in the nip, then they should at least let me buy clothes

hynesie08 · 23-04-2021 04:26PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

When you sit down and think about it 'how ****ing ridiculous' are some of the those rules. Does covid know the difference between buying milk and buying a jacket/toy.

It's like something out of the Killinaskully, our leaders all highly intelligent people signing off on these makes its worse

Right, I mean no other country on the planet closed non essential retail..... Except for all the ones that did.

afro man · 23-04-2021 04:27PM

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Hop the boxes and buy one. If needs be go to a self service till.

In My local Dunnes we were told unofficially to ask staff if you needed anything in out of bounds area and they would go get it for you

_Kaiser_ · 23-04-2021 04:27PM

Allinall wrote: »

It's essential V non essential.

Unbelievable that after a year this still has to be explained.

How is one jacket essential, and another (a few feet away) isn't?

Allinall · 23-04-2021 04:27PM

timmyntc wrote: »

How are clothes not deemed essential?
If they wont let me run around in the nip, then they should at least let me buy clothes

Do you not have clothes?

Underwear and work clothes are deemed essential and can be bought in Dunnes, Tescos etc.

_Kaiser_ · 23-04-2021 04:28PM

afro man wrote: »

In My local Dunnes we were told unofficially to ask staff if you needed anything in out of bounds area and they would go get it for you

Will give that a go in the morning so.

Allinall · 23-04-2021 04:28PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

How is one jacket essential, and another (a few feet away) isn't?

I don't know.

Maybe ask Dunnes?

gozunda · 23-04-2021 04:28PM

niallo27 wrote: »

What are you talking about, my post said nothing about this, but hey "pints".

Hi Hey "Pints"

I was referring to this piece of erh wisdom

niallo27 wrote:

Yes really, you can still get the virus if you vaccinated. Now its doesn't matter a **** because you wont get sick, but tell that to Tony and crew.

Hence

Is that you are just catching up on this now?

You're less likley to get seriously ill if you are vaccinated.

So far we are at 17.8% first vaccines administered and 7.33% second dose vaccines administered (out of the total population)

But hey let's ignore that and do our own thing right?

Even the UK and Isreal didn't start to open until they had a significant amount of the total population vaccinated. Yeah but we know better than them. Fek "Tony and his crew" eh?

suicide_circus · 23-04-2021 04:32PM

Boggles wrote: »

Maybe someone can fire up the footage from Pennies the last couple of times it reopened.

Like a scene from the famine when the bread cart rolled in.

And what drove that demand do you think?

niallo27 · 23-04-2021 04:32PM

charlie14 wrote: »

So you believe we should allow crowds of 11,000 by June.
Have you any criteria for doing that by June, or is it just based on "because somewhere else thinks its a good idea"

You know like that pesky science stuff on vaccinations and case numbers.

That pesky science stuff, is every other country in Europe who is allowing the matches wrong so. Is the science in Ireland superior that we know something the rest of Europe doesn't.

Boggles · 23-04-2021 04:32PM

suicide_circus wrote: »

And what drove that demand do you think?

Clothes for children made by children?

Graham · 23-04-2021 04:33PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

When you sit down and think about it 'how ****ing ridiculous' are some of the those rules. Does covid know the difference between buying milk and buying a jacket/toy.

Of course it doesn't and you're not daft so I doubt you think that's the reason.

More people moving around = more people passing on the virus.

Restrictions reduce the number of people moving around.

The Big Easy · 23-04-2021 04:33PM

Allinall wrote: »

It's essential V non essential.

Unbelievable that after a year this still has to be explained.

If something still needs to be explained after a year, maybe there's something at play more than individual intelligence?!

Essential versus non-essential is largely arbitrary nonsense. Telling people who's work is or is not essential. Let's be real here, if we were really dealing with essential, there'd be feck all happening anywhere.

So, instead we have the largely made up nonsense of closed off isles, open garden centres and bargain stores. Meanwhile some people's jobs are gone, possibly for the rest of their working life, while essential accountants drive into Dublin every day.

gozunda · 23-04-2021 04:36PM

OwenM wrote: »

We haven't randomly vaccinated 17.8%. The most vulnerable are being done first, this justifies, along with the seasonality of the virus a faster opening of society.

Neither did the UK or Israel.

Germany a bit ahead of us with vaccination afaik. They've also prioritised the vulnerable first. They started ruling back their restrictions and despite nearly being into May (outside of seasonality parameters) - they're currently facing increased restrictions following a rapid rise in the rate of infection.

Let's not throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet.

Corby Trouser Press · 23-04-2021 04:38PM

Boggles wrote: »

The Euros kick of in 7 weeks, UEFA tried to dictate public health during a pandemic.

They were told (rightly) they could do not do that, so they fúcked off.

What's the problem?

UEFA are solely about making profit, or did you believe all that wambulance talk about "the fans" when the super league was touted?

Hahaha.

No.

UEFA said to have a tenable competition we should aim for 25% minimum capacity.

Some countries said no problem, we can do that, we can probably do 50% actually.

Others said hmmm, we can maybe make that work, yeah.

Ireland just sat there, like a startled rabbit in headlights, knowing that a demoralised defeated population wouldn't really give a shít about a few matches going ahead in Dublin when they are actually thinking about will I even be able to get a haircut by Mid-June.

So we did nothing and now we have nothing.

And it's an embarrassment.

A stark illustration of a lack of forward planning, self-confidence and how we are lead by fear.

Nobody was told to "fúck off".

UEFA have just shrugged their shoulders and said "OK Paddy, you're not up to it, everyone else is so we will find somewhere else!"

Boggles · 23-04-2021 04:43PM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

UEFA said to have a tenable competition we should aim for 25% minimum capacity.

Was the competition not tenable if that was 10% or 0%?

Is the champions league this season not tenable?

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

And it's an embarrassment.

You're embarrassed? I imagine you are firmly in the minority as the vast majority of the country couldn't give 2 fúcks if a few matches in a tournament we were not in gets played or not.

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