Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

normanoffside · 23-04-2021 01:36PM

I wonder what Tony will allow us do next week.
Clearly it's not a decision of the government.

Sam Wheat90 · 23-04-2021 01:38PM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

Expected but not acceptable.

Only country in Europe not able to fulfill our obligations.

Embarrassing.

No embarrassment whatsoever. Games have been moved from Bilbao to Seville as well. Time for you to stop stirring the pot.

niallo27 · 23-04-2021 01:41PM

Sam Wheat90 wrote: »

No embarrassment whatsoever. Games have been moved from Bilbao to Seville as well. Time for you to stop stirring the pot.

So they moved a game from somewhere in Spain to somewhere else in Spain, what exactly is your point.

charlie14 · 23-04-2021 01:42PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes really, you can still get the virus if you vaccinated. Now its doesn't matter a **** because you wont get sick, but tell that to Tony and crew.

I think Tony and crew are well aware of that. The are also aware of something you and quite a few of the "open up everything now" brigade here are apparently not.
The levels of vaccination requred to open up in stages so that we do not have to yo-yo back in and out of lockdown.
Something we are in a position to judge based on the U.K. and Isreal opening at stages due to their vaccination levels.

paddyisreal · 23-04-2021 01:46PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Apart from the UK the other countries hosting games have higher infection rates than us and similar vaccination rates.
It has been proven that Covid spread outdoors is very rare.
they weren't asking to allow foreign fans into the game, only locals.
25% capacity would have mean that 3 seats between everyone.

Despite all the above, covid is obviously more dangerous in Ireland so we continue to be an outlier in the world in permitting safe activities.

Never a truer word spoken. How the **** are we the only country that can't facilitate this through antigen testing etc. It actually shows up how the last year has been handled - piss poorly by a bunch of lads sitting in an ivory tower with no grasp of reality. like golf, outdoor sports , outdoor dining. Incapable to think outside the box whatsoever. Nphet say to risky then the government says no. All the government wanted was a layer so they didn't have to make a decision and by God did they get it.

Sam Wheat90 · 23-04-2021 01:50PM

niallo27 wrote: »

So they moved a game from somewhere in Spain to somewhere else in Spain, what exactly is your point.

4 games have been moved not 1. I assume you are a Dub boy. If for example games were moved from Dublin to Belfast or Cork I don`t think it would be long until you were moaning about it.

Fago123 · 23-04-2021 01:58PM

The refusal to host Euro 2020 games at reduced capacity lays bare our overly cautious approach. It’s a litmus test of how we treat this virus & treat the easing of restrictions. There it is in black & white. Clear as day.

Because we can compare to the other European cities that have already agreed. Because I guarantee you the thoughts of putting a plan in place to allow it blew the tiny minds of those in power. It would have them crying in bed, sucking their thumbs, shivering with fear. Embarrassing.

MOR316 · 23-04-2021 01:59PM

Sam Wheat90 wrote: »

4 games have been moved not 1. I assume you are a Dub boy. If for example games were moved from Dublin to Belfast or Cork I don`t think it would be long until you were moaning about it.

Obvious troll is obvious

Corby Trouser Press · 23-04-2021 02:01PM

Sam Wheat90 wrote: »

No embarrassment whatsoever. Games have been moved from Bilbao to Seville as well. Time for you to stop stirring the pot.

I will gladly "stir the pot" as you put it.

In fact, it is an obligation of living in a free society to point out these failures of governance.

That we are the only country in Europe not to be able to actually plan and make this happen is noteworthy.

Your "keep yourr head down and don't question anything" attitude is embarrassing also!

Boggles · 23-04-2021 02:03PM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Ok great, this has gone nowhere and you’ve demonstrated a lack of understanding of civil liberties. I thought you were going to answer my original question.

You answered your own question.

It has fúck all to do with morals and more to with the "civil liberties" you like indulging in, as long as you get what you want morals can do one.

gozunda · 23-04-2021 02:04PM

niallo27 wrote: »

The Vaccine does not prevent you from getting or spreading the disease, you should really know this by now, its not that hard to follow.

Did I say otherwise?

As stated in relation to healthcare services covid is a new infectious disease - one which we had no prevention for. Now we do.

And the vaccines do stop the absolute majority of those vaccinated from getting seriously ill. you should really know this by now, its not that hard to follow

Pandiculation · 23-04-2021 02:11PM

The jury is still out on whether or not the vaccines (and there are several different technologies involved) produce sterilising immunity, meaning it prevents transmission.

We will know more on that as the vaccine programmes are more widespread. At the moment all they can say is it prevents symptomatic disease and very definitely seems to prevent hospitalisation.

You’ve also a potential where transmission between two vaccinated people may be very unlikely, so that potentially means that when we’re at a high level of vaccination, things can become much more normal.

This is basically live research. Nobody can give guarantees at present and they’re not doing.

lawred2 · 23-04-2021 02:12PM

Pandiculation wrote: »

The jury is still out on whether or not the vaccines (and there are several different technologies involved) produce sterilising immunity, meaning it prevents transmission.

We will know more on that as the vaccine programmes are more widespread. At the moment all they can say is it prevents symptomatic disease and very definitely seems to prevent hospitalisation.

You’ve also a potential where transmission between two vaccinated people may be very unlikely, so that potentially means that when we’re at a high level of vaccination, things can become much more normal.

This is basically live research. Nobody can give guarantees at present and they’re not doing.

who cares if it doesn't prevent transmission once it reduces illness and hospitalisations!?

Sam Wheat90 · 23-04-2021 02:13PM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

I will gladly "stir the pot" as you put it.

In fact, it is an obligation of living in a free society to point out these failures of governance.

That we are the only country in Europe not to be able to actually plan and make this happen is noteworthy.

Your "keep yourr head down and don't question anything" attitude is embarrassing also!

You seem to have a fixation with embarrassment. Why? Childhood issues maybe?

Boggles · 23-04-2021 02:13PM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

I will gladly "stir the pot" as you put it.

In fact, it is an obligation of living in a free society to point out these failures of governance.

That we are the only country in Europe not to be able to actually plan and make this happen is noteworthy.

Your "keep yourr head down and don't question anything" attitude is embarrassing also!

You think UEFA should get to dictate our public health policy during a pandemic?

francogarbanzo · 23-04-2021 02:15PM

Boggles wrote: »

You answered your own question.

It has fúck all to do with morals and more to with the "civil liberties" you like indulging in, as long as you get what you want morals can do one.

You've proven to have nothing behind the wall of flippancy and sanctimoniousness. It is clear you have not thought your position through.

Captain Cesc · 23-04-2021 02:15PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

Never a truer word spoken. How the **** are we the only country that can't facilitate this through antigen testing etc. It actually shows up how the last year has been handled - piss poorly by a bunch of lads sitting in an ivory tower with no grasp of reality. like golf, outdoor sports , outdoor dining. Incapable to think outside the box whatsoever. Nphet say to risky then the government says no. All the government wanted was a layer so they didn't have to make a decision and by God did they get it.

Almost as embarrassing as when we tried to host the 2004 Euros and could only show UEFA a field. Hundreds of thousands vaccinated and can’t facilitate 11k. Ridiculous

gozunda · 23-04-2021 02:15PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes really, you can still get the virus if you vaccinated. Now its doesn't matter a **** because you wont get sick, but tell that to Tony and crew.

Is that you are just catching up on this now?

Yes you're less likley to get seriously ill if you are vaccinated.

So far we are at 17.8% first vaccines administered and 7.33% second dose vaccines administered.

But hey let's ignore that and do our own thing right?

Even the UK and Isreal didn't start to open until they had a significant amount of the total population vaccinated. Yeah but we know better than them. Fek "Tony and his crew" eh?

23-04-2021 02:18PM

Graces7 wrote: »

Hey you are wonderfully right and sensible about it all; so you can do it all? We all know all this and up to each of us. Not anyone's responsibility and choice but ours.

But people can’t go the gym or exercise class or swimming pool all good for physical health because they are closed. And that’s not even starting on mental health a lovely sunny afternoon people can’t even sit outside a coffee shop meet a friend and chat. Again because people do not have the choice.There could be a litany of mental health problems down the road for some people and no one seems to care. It’s appalling.

Pandiculation · 23-04-2021 02:20PM

lawred2 wrote: »

who cares if it doesn't prevent transmission once if reduces illness and hospitalisations!?

I’d say given that it’s behaved very unpredictability, notably what’s going on in Brazil for example where you’re seeing a lot of younger people being hit very hard, there’s going to be an abundance of caution from the medical world.

It’s still a very new virus so you’re just not going to get someone going out making broad claims they can’t stand behind scientifically.

If policy makers want to make decisions based on calculated risks, that’s another issue entirely and I think the two shouldn’t be confused.

Life isn’t without risk but you can’t expect science to give answers based on politics nor should you expect politics to be purely based on the same criteria either. There’s always going to be a degree of balancing risks in public policy.

I think the Irish commentary crucified the government for not adhering to the letter of medical advice and that’s why we are now frozen to the spot.

Boggles · 23-04-2021 02:20PM

gozunda wrote: »

So far we are at 17.8% first vaccines administered and 7.33% second dose vaccines administered.

Just to put more a positive spin on it, which I know is frowned upon in here.

1.3 million doses have been administered to date, with 24.5% of the eligible population receiving one dose and 10% of the population fully vaccinated.

Corby Trouser Press · 23-04-2021 02:22PM

Boggles wrote: »

You think UEFA should get to dictate our public health policy during a pandemic?

I think our Public Health policy should be able to look ahead and make a reasonable conclusion that outdoor events with capacity limits should be able to take place in the near future.

Why wouldn't they?

Do you think every other country from Scotland to Denmark to Romania have got it wrong and we are correct?

Do you think that UEFA have forced all of the other 11 governments to make this happen?

Do you not think it more likely that all the governments and local authorities across Europe have said to themselves "OK, we should be able to manage this, it'll be Mid-June, things will be better by then"?

Do you even think at all or just blindly spasm against any anti-restrictions post you see here?

gozunda · 23-04-2021 02:23PM

Boggles wrote: »

Just to put more a positive spin on it, which I know is frowned upon in here.

The first set of figures relate those who have received vaccination out of the total population.

Yours is even better!

Boggles · 23-04-2021 02:24PM

Corby Trouser Press wrote: »

I think our Public Health policy should be able to look ahead and make a reasonable conclusion that outdoor events with capacity limits should be able to take place in the near future.

Why wouldn't they?

Do you think every other country from Scotland to Denmark to Romania have got it wrong and we are correct?

Do you think that UEFA have forced all of the other 11 governments to make this happen?

Do you not think it more likely that all the governments and local authorities across Europe have said to themselves "OK, we should be able to manage this, it'll be Mid-June, things will be better by then"?

Do you even think at all or just blindly spasm against any anti-restrictions post you see here?

I'll try answer some of those once you have a stab of my rather simple one.

You think UEFA should get to dictate our public health policy during a pandemic?

Pandiculation · 23-04-2021 02:25PM

Well when you look at Europe over the last few months, every country got it wrong, and some of them spectacularly badly wrong, and we are all still paying for it.

European impact of COVID (including the U.K.) has by and large been abysmal and as mishandled as the USA in many ways.

I wouldn’t get too carried away about collective wisdom.

lawred2 · 23-04-2021 02:26PM

Boggles wrote: »

You think UEFA should get to dictate our public health policy during a pandemic?

In that way do you think UEFA are dictating public health policy?

Boggles · 23-04-2021 02:27PM

lawred2 wrote: »

In that way do you think UEFA are dictating public health policy?

11,000 fans in or we pull the plug?

What do you call it?

23-04-2021 02:28PM

Sam Wheat90 wrote: »

No embarrassment whatsoever. Games have been moved from Bilbao to Seville as well. Time for you to stop stirring the pot.

Cities both within Spain, did you actually know this?? :pac:

But sure, the OP pointed this out to you and you then teleported the goalposts to some presumptious waffle about Cork and Dublin.

lawred2 · 23-04-2021 02:29PM

Boggles wrote: »

11,000 fans in or we pull the plug?

What do you call it?

I'd call it a condition of participation. Just like having a stadium up to scratch is a condition of participation.

It's their competition.

We are the only participant who has no plan nor desire to facilitate it.

Pandiculation · 23-04-2021 02:33PM

It’s a condition of participation, we can’t host it but look at this from a public opinion point of view here. If you bring in 11,000 fans during the pandemic while vaccines are still rollout out and there’s another wave, the decision makers are going to be absolutely pilloried.

That’s the political reality of it.

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