POI for the Coroners Society of Ireland, Nphet’s figures for deaths may be innacurate

So is it fair to say that the virus has caused far fewer deaths in Ireland than has been reported?

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If you go from January to January yes, it's not how NPHET or Prime time presented the figures though. I really felt that it was to undermine the story related to this thread, also bad press about coroners yesterday, more fact check cancel culture at play.
We don't seem to have excess deaths on the January to January especially when you go look at the figures for the last bad flu season.

Has the CSO released the figures yet for 2020? I’m curious where you’re getting the numbers from.

MadYaker wrote: »

Has the CSO released the figures yet for 2020? I’m curious where you’re getting the numbers from.

Only up till Q2, next set will be Q3/Q4 so will exclude a lot of deaths that happened in Jan/Feb after the Christmas surge (expect the usual to say it was a bad flu year despite the constant lockdowns keeping viruses at bay).

odyssey06 wrote: »

Strange to just have a fall after being in hospital for a serious infection.

How do you know they were even included in the covid death figures?

At the end of the day, died with v from covid is a red herring to the impact covid is having on hospitals and infection control etc

Falls are multi factorial is cause.

Any infection can be a risk factor for a fall.

Falls don’t kill people - the landing does. Hip fracture or acquired brain injury. While the ABI is more straight forward in its causation of death, a hip fracture less so. We don’t know whether the fracture leads to death or whether deterioration was happening and the fractured hastened it.

So you know 30% of people who suffer a hip fracture are dead in a year and 40% who get on w in hospital are dead in 4 months.


So death is often cardiorespiratory arrest secondary to pnuneonia secondary to a hip fracture secondary to a fall where risk factors include recent infection, age, lower limb weakness and macular degeneration.

Once you don’t die of a single disease in a healthy person (infection in a young 30 year old) or swim thing traumatic (car accident) or something congenital (cystic fibrosis) then the cause of death really is hard to determine. The actual cause is clear but the contribution of risk factors is hard. You die from MS but you really die from the consequences of MS.

DessieJames wrote: »

NPHET should be held accountable for the lies and constant scaremongering, absolute and utter scum of the earth along with the dispicable government, they've decimated this country with the longest lockdown in Europe, inhumane and draconioan.

How do you suggest that these accusations are proved?

What actions do you suggest to hold them accountable?

Can NPHET be blamed for all the ‘decimation’ all countries or are they in cahoots with other countries elite?

Stormyteacup wrote: »

It’s certainly confusing. However the fact that they quote WHO guidelines when explaining how a probable or possible death is to be recorded weakens the idea of oversimplification.

A full period of recovery from Covid precludes a death from being recorded as a Covid death.

It seems that Ireland decided on a method of recording Covid deaths from the outset, and when WHO guidelines were issued last April we implemented some of them - as we began including probable/possible cases - but understandably perhaps, from a scientific or data-collection point of view, we continued the method of initial reporting of recording deaths with a confirmed positive lab result as a basic.

This document also sheds some light on coroners part in reporting deaths;

https://hse.drsteevenslibrary.ie/ld.php?content_id=32848220

Be interested to know how many coronial pms are done and local pms when all this is done.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

When are people going to stop going to work or sending their kids to school when they are sick and thus spreading various illnesses around to everyone else?




Really? Complaining about people washing their hands too much? ffs. No wonder everything is full of germs the whole time.

Masks stop you spitting bits of saliva or anything else in your mouth on other people. That stops the transfer of germs to people.

We're now a nation of germaphobes..

DessieJames wrote: »

Right now you cant,but the truth about all of this will eventually comeout, it always does, half the deaths marked down as covid just to frightgen the public to death were elderly people who were dying anyway.

Last year i along with many others were called "conspiracy theorists" for suggesting that there would be a digital vaccine passport in 2021, NPHET were in favour of this, and guess what it's happening.

i could do and on and on

The fact that you are talking about digital vaccine passports makes me think you are looking at conspiracy web sites?
What do you see as the issues with vaccine certs, paper or digital?

drunkmonkey wrote: »

So the GP advised the child has a snotty nose, does not require a covid test and can return to creche immediatley.
Creche have said no she can't, has to be sympton free of covid for 48hrs, I'm really stuggling to get past it's not covid thing to them, there's no one in the creche with it, there's no one at home with it and the doctor says it's not covid.

Even if I play into the cult and get her a covid test after 3 negative antigent tests and a doctors confirmation she still can't retun if she has any symptons.

Seriosuly questinioning peoples intelligence at this stage. Absolutely no way we can get through next winter with this kind of crazy still going on.

I don’t have any answers for you. You’ve to fight your own battles. If you’re GP has advised that she doesn’t require Covid test and can return to crèche then stand in the crèche until your child is accepted into a service that you have paid for. They are not health care professionals and have no authority to make these decisions. Of course they just protect other children but it is unreasonable - and beyond they’re scope of practice - to disagree with a healthcare professional and would have to justify why. All the advice you need is here.

https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/guidance/childcareguidance/

Specific guidance below. If you give an undertaking as described in photo that is all is required.

Also - if she doesn’t have Covid - how can she be symptom free from it for 48 hours.

Tusla regulate them - make a complaint. The state pays for ecce - make a complaint. Your TD is there for you - make a complaint. The HSA - make a complaint. Parents Council - make a complaint.

And they can deal with the beurocratic fallout from these issues for the sake of bringing a child back to school with sniffles - which is normal - just because some person with no knowledge of anything related to healthcare has deemed someone unsafe.

I don’t doubt the pain in the arse something like that is.


And can I add. Everyone has rights but everyone has responsibilities also. If you’re satisfied that you are complying with lockdown and general IPC requirements; if you are satisfied that you went to the GP and have been assured, then the crèches rights don’t trump your child’s. And the crèche needs to identify how they meet their responsibility to your child in that instance.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

That's all good advice thanks, hopefully won't come to it but I'll be making a complaint next week if does, I can't stay off work and I'll be dammed if i'm going to keep paying for the pleasure.
It's time to allow rapid antigen tests if they don't trust parents at least let doctors do them if they feel it's even necessary.

go get a proper test, you'll have the results tomorrow