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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    That tweet is interesting, though. I know that path very well, I used to live nearby and it would still be part of my commute if there were a commute. Now I'm looking forward to seeing the change.

    https://twitter.com/runningmatters_/status/1383430195680473093


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Slideways


    Yes.

    And said pedestrians get all butt hurt if you call out and say "runners back' or 'passing on your right'

    We are incredibly lucky to have some of the best cycle paths here in perth. The negative side is cyclists (I cycle myself at times) think they have a god given right to do as they please on them. Often passing with in a bees dick of your shoulder. These packs will often be travelling in a group of 10 or more at 45km/h on one stretch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,030 ✭✭✭Slideways


    I actually made this sign after a few very close calls, can hang it off the back of my singlet when on the busiest route during the commuter hours


    550653.jpeg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Cyclists and runners happily exist on cycle lanes in my experience.

    The problem is ****ing pedestrians who walk 2/3 abreast or stop for chats in the direction of traffic flow and then get all confused when you call them useless *****.

    (1st * = ducking, 2nd * = punts -- I feel very strongly about this)


    and the glares you get.

    I have said here before- cyclists no problem as they are looking ahead for danger. It is the dog walker or the overweight middle aged wagons walking 2-3 abreast without a care in the world for other users.

    I was even thinking it last night running through my local park. On a Sunday evening it tends to be full of low level drug dealers in tinted window SEATs or Fiestas, dope smokers and dog walkers....the dog walkers are the biggest nuisance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    OOnegative wrote: »
    I just don’t get the issues with the whole cycle lane debacle in Ireland, cyclists and runners happily share the cycle paths here and no issues. Obviously bikes get preference, but in the near 4 years I’m here I haven’t experienced one bike user abusing me and asking me to get out of the cycle path. Plus there is a hell of a lot more cyclists here in The Netherlands.


    Plenty of times in Holland I have deserved dog's abuse for stepping out in front of cyclists but never a peep. Don't think I would be so patient.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    and the glares you get.

    I have said here before- cyclists no problem as they are looking ahead for danger. It is the dog walker or the overweight middle aged wagons walking 2-3 abreast without a care in the world for other users.

    I was even thinking it last night running through my local park. On a Sunday evening it tends to be full of low level drug dealers in tinted window SEATs or Fiestas, dope smokers and dog walkers....the dog walkers are the biggest nuisance.

    You don’t really like people, do you?
    :)

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    You don’t really like people, do you?
    :)


    Funnily enough my wife has made a similar comment in the past..:o


  • Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭BeginnerRunner


    You don’t really like people, do you?
    :)

    That's just cos most people are pricks.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    That's just cos most people are pricks.

    I think most people are lovely. Soft and cuddly.

    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    OOnegative wrote: »
    I just don’t get the issues with the whole cycle lane debacle in Ireland, cyclists and runners happily share the cycle paths here and no issues. Obviously bikes get preference, but in the near 4 years I’m here I haven’t experienced one bike user abusing me and asking me to get out of the cycle path. Plus there is a hell of a lot more cyclists here in The Netherlands.

    If everyone ran/walked/cycled on the left and overtook on the right I dont see any problems, but if everyone is doing random things at very different speeds its a recipe for disaster imo.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Problem in Ireland there is small group in each group that gives every group a bad name.

    I love this one

    "If the car can't stop in time, its going to fast" but if a cyclists can't stop in time "Its someone else fault"

    Why groups of people on the footpath (runners and walkers) will not break their line of 3 to let the other person coming the opposite way by I never know.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,213 ✭✭✭Beanstalk


    What about other runners? Some runners hate me running with my dog (who runs beside me and is very good on the lead) and most of them insist i go out on the road, even if they're facing the oncoming traffic (i usually do anyway just to avoid hassle). its tough going sometimes but i'll get over itOthers give me a big encouraging smile and a thumbs up. .

    I do think if you're facing oncoming traffic it is easier to step out onto the road or cycle lane if necessary. its very difficult looking behind you because the odd serious runner in front of you is out training and doesn't give a ****.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Beanstalk wrote: »
    What about other runners? Some runners hate me running with my dog (who runs beside me and is very good on the lead) and most of them insist i go out on the road, even if they're facing the oncoming traffic (i usually do anyway just to avoid hassle). its tough going sometimes but i'll get over itOthers give me a big encouraging smile and a thumbs up. .

    I do think if you're facing oncoming traffic it is easier to step out onto the road or cycle lane if necessary. its very difficult looking behind you because the odd serious runner in front of you is out training and doesn't give a ****.


    I am very nervous of stepping out into a cycle lane, as cyclists don't go just one way in them.


    I was running in the park yesterday, person in front of me walking the bridge, about 3 meters wide, she had her dog on the extended lead covering the width of the bridge so i couldn't get by. I said "sorry" and she she said i have the right to use the full bridge!!!


    Now I have a dog, will always keep it away from runners and cyclists etc, but people like that drive me mad


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭ariana`


    I am very nervous of stepping out into a cycle lane, as cyclists don't go just one way in them.


    I was running in the park yesterday, person in front of me walking the bridge, about 3 meters wide, she had her dog on the extended lead covering the width of the bridge so i couldn't get by. I said "sorry" and she she said i have the right to use the full bridge!!!


    Now I have a dog, will always keep it away from runners and cyclists etc, but people like that drive me mad

    Those extendable leads should be banned. And there should be a minimum requirement to do dog training & etiquette classes before you get a dog license :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Enduro


    I was running in the park yesterday, person in front of me walking the bridge, about 3 meters wide, she had her dog on the extended lead covering the width of the bridge so i couldn't get by. I said "sorry" and she she said i have the right to use the full bridge!!!

    Sounds like she might actually be living under the bridge ;)

    I have occasionally come accross similar on confined tracks in the hills. if there is no attempt made to accomodate other people I'll usually grab the middle of the lead and assist the dog over to the same side of the track as the owner. I reckon it's being helpful to re-unite the owner with the brains of the operation :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,855 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    ariana` wrote: »
    Those extendable leads should be banned. And there should be a minimum requirement to do dog training & etiquette classes before you get a dog license :(




    Extendable leads are ok its the users of them that are the problem.


    We have a driving test but does nothing for some people on the road!!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Beanstalk wrote: »
    What about other runners? Some runners hate me running with my dog (who runs beside me and is very good on the lead) and most of them insist i go out on the road, even if they're facing the oncoming traffic (i usually do anyway just to avoid hassle). its tough going sometimes but i'll get over itOthers give me a big encouraging smile and a thumbs up. .

    I do think if you're facing oncoming traffic it is easier to step out onto the road or cycle lane if necessary. its very difficult looking behind you because the odd serious runner in front of you is out training and doesn't give a ****.

    Amateur...

    I passed a guy a few years back out for a run:-

    1. With baby in a pushchair
    2. Dog on lead
    3. A toddler on this shoulder
    4. With a rucksack

    and going at a fair speed too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    ariana` wrote: »
    Those extendable leads should be banned. And there should be a minimum requirement to do dog training & etiquette classes before you get a dog license :(


    Yeah there is nothing worse than seeing a dog at one end of a path and the owner at the complete opposite end with a extendable lead especially if is close to dusk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Seems like this topic deserves a thread of its own (if there isnt a million of them already). Anyone got any random running questions???


  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Mar Azul


    Seems like this topic deserves a thread of its own (if there isnt a million of them already). Anyone got any random running questions???

    Is the runners nod a thing of the past?
    Years ago you'd always get the nod back, nowadays not so much.

    It was like a mutual respect, a united club, I feel you.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Mar Azul wrote: »
    Is the runners nod a thing of the past?
    Years ago you'd always get the nod back, nowadays not so much.

    It was like a mutual respect, a united club, I feel you.

    I go full on wave - makes for an embarrassing scenario when the recipient isnt so friendly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Mar Azul wrote: »
    I feel you.
    Deffo running too close.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    Mar Azul wrote: »
    Is the runners nod a thing of the past?
    Years ago you'd always get the nod back, nowadays not so much.

    It was like a mutual respect, a united club, I feel you.

    I think you have to be running a "certain speed" to get a "runners nod"
    Maybe you have slowed down :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Mar Azul


    GreeBo wrote: »
    Deffo running too close.

    :) stole it from one of my kids in an attempt to be hip.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭Sunny Dayz


    Mar Azul wrote: »
    Is the runners nod a thing of the past?
    Years ago you'd always get the nod back, nowadays not so much.

    It was like a mutual respect, a united club, I feel you.

    Around where I live I think the runners nod has gained a resurgence. My town is such a size that it fits nicely into local people’s 5km radius. So I’ve seen a lot of the same runners out and about this past year who I probably wouldn’t have seen otherwise.

    Although I was in Galway for a night last year and went for a run the next morning and only one person acknowledged me en route.


  • Registered Users Posts: 491 ✭✭Butterbeans


    Mar Azul wrote: »
    Is the runners nod a thing of the past?
    Years ago you'd always get the nod back, nowadays not so much.

    It was like a mutual respect, a united club, I feel you.

    I'll give the nod if running easy, usually not if doing intervals / TT's.
    Don't get it back a lot of the time......actually it's kind of a nod with a little salute thrown in, it probably looks a little weird, but I'm not for changing!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Just wondering are there any low/no carb runners about and what would one eat for fuel during a marathon I’d gawk if I’d to try and eat a gel, and I can’t exactly carry around cheese or avocado!!!

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Enduro


    Just wondering are there any low/no carb runners about and what would one eat for fuel during a marathon I’d gawk if I’d to try and eat a gel, and I can’t exactly carry around cheese or avocado!!!

    TbL

    I have won 24 hour races eating precisely nothing. Ate the same for the last marathon I ran, which was a long time ago (I don't do much of the old sprinting any more :) )


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,118 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    Enduro wrote: »
    I have won 24 hour races eating precisely nothing. Ate the same for the last marathon I ran, which was a long time ago (I don't do much of the old sprinting any more :) )

    I've not won anything, but my carb intake during running is not something that I have full control over what, how much, or when as it's mostly based on medication and just annoying randomness... But as I've made it round relatively speedy marathons both consuming more carb gels than it's sensible to in a lifetime, and also consuming nothing but water I'd support the theory about it mostly being unnecessary.

    I'm currently using Kendal Mint Cake as my emergency sugar dose which I carry. Not as easy to digest at speed, but higher sugar content per gram so I can carry more emergency supplies.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Enduro wrote: »
    I have won 24 hour races eating precisely nothing. Ate the same for the last marathon I ran, which was a long time ago (I don't do much of the old sprinting any more :) )

    Thanks

    I was hoping you’d respond.

    If I do get back to “sprinting” that the approach I’ll adopt

    TbL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Enduro wrote: »
    I have won 24 hour races eating precisely nothing. Ate the same for the last marathon I ran, which was a long time ago (I don't do much of the old sprinting any more :) )


    Very obvious point to make but to the novices it should be noted that if you are winning marathons then you are out on the course and on your feet for a far shorter time that someone rocking home in 4-5 hours e.g 2h20 v 4h 20 is 2 hours more on your feet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Unknownability


    @Enduro I seem to have some recollection of you being sponsored by Cloumbia. Have you tried the OutDry Ex Lightweight Shell jacket? If so any thoughts? Thinking of using it for running in heavy rain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,340 ✭✭✭TFBubendorfer


    Very obvious point to make but to the novices it should be noted that if you are winning marathons then you are out on the course and on your feet for a far shorter time that someone rocking home in 4-5 hours e.g 2h20 v 4h 20 is 2 hours more on your feet.

    Yes, but Enduro won a 24 hrs race, which is far longer than the time even a complete novice will take for the marathon!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Yes, but Enduro won a 24 hrs race, which is far longer than the time even a complete novice will take for the marathon!


    Sorry I totally misread that as winning 24 marathons...:o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,629 ✭✭✭ThebitterLemon


    Sorry I totally misread that as winning 24 marathons...:o

    Too much party guinness...:)

    TbL


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,724 ✭✭✭Enduro


    @Enduro I seem to have some recollection of you being sponsored by Cloumbia. Have you tried the OutDry Ex Lightweight Shell jacket? If so any thoughts? Thinking of using it for running in heavy rain.

    Yup, I am indeed sponsored by Columbia. Yes, I wear Outdry jackets pretty much constantly through the winter half of the year, and have one ready to go in my backpack through the other half. My personal opinion of out-dry is its the best waterproof material, far better than gore-tex, and at least as breathable. It's also much more resilient ('ve only once ripped an outdry jacket, and that was coming off a bike on a beyond pedaling speed downhill onto rough tarmacadam. There is no DWR layer, so the beading doesn't degrade over time, and the jackets don't "soak out".

    The lightweight ones a great running jackets. They're not as light as the really lightweight "showerproof" jackets, but are far more weather resistant. The only downside to the lightweight version is that in a good heavy shower you can feel the cold of rain, so you can get this strange psychological effect that you're getting wet, even when your not. That's if its just the jacket over skn/baselayer. A mid layer solves that issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭4Ad


    Enduro wrote: »
    I have won 24 hour races eating precisely nothing. Ate the same for the last marathon I ran, which was a long time ago (I don't do much of the old sprinting any more :) )

    I do alot of running, I especially love the hills. I went out today, I had food/ gels with me but I said No I"ll keep going, even after 3 slow hours I dudnt need anything.. It was my first time of real bog/fell running..didnt need anything at all, only water and 2 salt tablets..
    I was never so happy, mud up yo my knees !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 ✭✭✭Unknownability


    Thank you for the very detailed reply, I'll pick one up. My size on columbia Ireland is sold out, they are only $99 on the Columbia USA site but don't want to get worried about customs, so will get it on trekkinn for €125.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭aquinn


    Looking for insight/tips/help on a TT. I had a 3km TT on at the weekend which I abandoned after a mile. I found my breathing very off-putting from the start. Any tips or thoughts as to how to manage better as it totally put me off and my head said enough and so I stopped. I have a 5km coming up in two weeks so just looking for help on this to get over it/myself.

    Thanks


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,714 ✭✭✭Cartman78


    What do you mean by off-putting??

    Has this happened you before in speed sessions, or is it just specifically for races?

    Hard to know tbh...but sounds like a warm up to include short sprints and strides might help maybe (?)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭aquinn


    Cartman78 wrote: »
    What do you mean by off-putting??

    Has this happened you before in speed sessions, or is it just specifically for races?

    Hard to know tbh...but sounds like a warm up to include short sprints and strides might help maybe (?)


    Thank you. I did a decent warm-up and strides. My calf had started to tighten just before I had started so that hadn't helped either. All ok in speed sessions and never stopped or abandoned any. Just felt that for the start of the TT the hard breathing kicked in pretty quick so when it seems to be at the very start my head just went this is too much and I stopped. Think I need a pacer for confidence for the 5km. I did another 3km two weeks ago and had no trouble and it wasn't as bad as I thought it was. Think went into Saturdays one too confident and then when the calf tightened and the breathing escalated I had had enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,730 ✭✭✭Ceepo


    aquinn wrote: »
    Thank you. I did a decent warm-up and strides. My calf had started to tighten just before I had started so that hadn't helped either. All ok in speed sessions and never stopped or abandoned any. Just felt that for the start of the TT the hard breathing kicked in pretty quick so when it seems to be at the very start my head just went this is too much and I stopped. Think I need a pacer for confidence for the 5km. I did another 3km two weeks ago and had no trouble and it wasn't as bad as I thought it was. Think went into Saturdays one too confident and then when the calf tightened and the breathing escalated I had had enough.

    It could be any amount of reason really. Maybe pacing, did you go out to hard, Lack of recovery being another reason.

    Why did you do a 3k tt 2 weeks ago and another one this week, and why are you doing a 5k tt next week.
    What's the purpose of all the tt's


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,314 ✭✭✭Bluesquare


    aquinn wrote: »
    Looking for insight/tips/help on a TT. I had a 3km TT on at the weekend which I abandoned after a mile. I found my breathing very off-putting from the start. Any tips or thoughts as to how to manage better as it totally put me off and my head said enough and so I stopped. I have a 5km coming up in two weeks so just looking for help on this to get over it/myself.

    Thanks

    Hi - During the first Km my breathing sounds crazy - I’m asthmatic so my brain panics as well . I have found recently that I need to calm myself and not get flustered by the breathing. I remind myself that it’s normal for a few mins until I settle into the pace . I tell myself to relax and that its just a run that I can stop anytime I want. I promise myself I’ll stop if it’s stays bad at a mile. Then mentally I check out my form - and evaluate how the legs feel about the pace - what am I doing with my arms etc. By the time I’ve done that - my breathing has usually calmed down and I’m actually moving faster. I think that’s because I’m back in control .


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭aquinn


    Ceepo wrote: »
    It could be any amount of reason really. Maybe pacing, did you go out to hard, Lack of recovery being another reason.

    Why did you do a 3k tt 2 weeks ago and another one this week, and why are you doing a 5k tt next week.
    What's the purpose of all the tt's


    I'm on a P&D 5km plan. The one two weeks ago was an incorrect reading of the plan. It was to be a 5km race and I read the wrong week.


    This week then it was to be a 5km race or or 3km TT so went again with the 3km as thought it would be a good comparison on the same course to see how I was doing.



    I purposely tried not to go out too hard and build up the pace as shot off the last time. Maybe still started too fast but calmed myself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,968 ✭✭✭aquinn


    Bluesquare wrote: »
    Hi - During the first Km my breathing sounds crazy - I’m asthmatic so my brain panics as well . I have found recently that I need to calm myself and not get flustered by the breathing. I remind myself that it’s normal for a few mins until I settle into the pace . I tell myself to relax and that its just a run that I can stop anytime I want. I promise myself I’ll stop if it’s stays bad at a mile. Then mentally I check out my form - and evaluate how the legs feel about the pace - what am I doing with my arms etc. By the time I’ve done that - my breathing has usually calmed down and I’m actually moving faster. I think that’s because I’m back in control .


    Great, appreciate that. Thanks very much. Just need to distract myself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    So I've just noticed that basically I'm doing all of my 5K's in anaerobic mode rather than aerobic (in some cases I am doing the majority of the run in VO2 Max)

    Does this matter?
    I've done 17 runs since starting (pretty much every 2nd day, first thing in the morning on empty stomach) and am down to 05'14" pace.
    I am certainly not nose breathing or running at conversation pace, but does it matter if I can keep it up for the 5k?
    In my last run my times were (there is a hill in the middle :))
    05'09"
    05'23"
    05'29"
    05'10"
    05'05"

    On a recent run I tried to run while only breathing through my nose and failed miserably so just went back to normal....so, should I care or worry about anything here?

    Background is zero regular exercise since 2019 where I was playing intense 5-a-side once a week.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,831 ✭✭✭Annie get your Run


    aquinn wrote: »
    Great, appreciate that. Thanks very much. Just need to distract myself.

    Did you go out too fast? This is something I do and then the breathing is horrible from the off.

    Advice I was given was to put average pace on the watch and ease into pace over the first km, you don't need to start at race pace from the off - now if I could do that myself....!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,203 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    GreeBo wrote: »
    So I've just noticed that basically I'm doing all of my 5K's in anaerobic mode rather than aerobic (in some cases I am doing the majority of the run in VO2 Max)

    Does this matter?
    I've done 17 runs since starting (pretty much every 2nd day, first thing in the morning on empty stomach) and am down to 05'14" pace.
    I am certainly not nose breathing or running at conversation pace, but does it matter if I can keep it up for the 5k?
    In my last run my times were (there is a hill in the middle :))
    05'09"
    05'23"
    05'29"
    05'10"
    05'05"

    On a recent run I tried to run while only breathing through my nose and failed miserably so just went back to normal....so, should I care or worry about anything here?

    Background is zero regular exercise since 2019 where I was playing intense 5-a-side once a week.


    5ks anaerobically is to be expected. Improving your aerobic base will push your anaerobic threshold further down the path.


    Are those times in kms or miles (kms I hope)?
    Have you had your VO2 tested?


  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Mar Azul


    aquinn wrote: »
    Looking for insight/tips/help on a TT. I had a 3km TT on at the weekend which I abandoned after a mile. I found my breathing very off-putting from the start. Any tips or thoughts as to how to manage better as it totally put me off and my head said enough and so I stopped. I have a 5km coming up in two weeks so just looking for help on this to get over it/myself.

    Thanks

    3k is a tough distance. This is where every bit of oxygen in is being used immediately. I'd expect your breathing to be tough from the start.

    The fact it wasn't 2 weeks ago, suggests maybe it wasn't quite a max effort.

    When you did your warm up and strides, did you let your body/breathing return to normal as in bit of a break for 2/3 mins? If so, this is a big mistake, HR should be slightly elevated when starting, last stride done and you should be starting the TT within 30 secs.

    Was it an early start? I know for an early short race I have to get out for a 20 min jog about 2hrs before main race to wake the body up.

    Maybe extend the warm up jog next time, couple extra strides and don't hang around after the last one. Finally bit of acceptance that the 3k is tough, right on the vo2 button.


  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭Mar Azul


    GreeBo wrote: »
    So I've just noticed that basically I'm doing all of my 5K's in anaerobic mode rather than aerobic (in some cases I am doing the majority of the run in VO2 Max)

    Does this matter?
    I've done 17 runs since starting (pretty much every 2nd day, first thing in the morning on empty stomach) and am down to 05'14" pace.
    I am certainly not nose breathing or running at conversation pace, but does it matter if I can keep it up for the 5k?
    In my last run my times were (there is a hill in the middle :))
    05'09"
    05'23"
    05'29"
    05'10"
    05'05"

    On a recent run I tried to run while only breathing through my nose and failed miserably so just went back to normal....so, should I care or worry about anything here?

    Background is zero regular exercise since 2019 where I was playing intense 5-a-side once a week.

    Sounds like you're almost time trialing every 5k, not a good idea, you'll burn out or get injured.
    Racing a 5k, the breakdown is roughly 90% aerobic and 10% anaerobic and I think most runners who race 5k know exactly when that switch happens.

    If your quickest Tim for 5k is 25 mins, I'd suggest your easy pace should be 5'50 and slower per k.
    If you want to get faster and quicker, you do need to slow down and on a run or 2 start extending the distance. When you run easy and extend the distance this is where the real fitness gains are made with the recruitment of certain muscle fibres, capillaries (Road network for blood to muscles) and mitochondria.

    Keep doing what you're doing now and you will plateau or worse injure yourself.

    Running is about patience. If you're creating a lifetime habit, what's the hurry?


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