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Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

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  • #2852
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,627 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    Apologies if already posted, lost track of the thread , something on the positive side:

    https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1384825539895173123?s=21


  • #2853
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,411 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    ixoy wrote: »
    Bigger countries probably have more staff to analyse the same amount of data too. As much as I want to see the decision made, a day or so won't make much of a difference. If they're very conservative, I wonder what their reasoning will be versus other countries that approved it (beyond "an abundance of caution").

    French press says their regulator won't make a decision 'until the end of the week', so I wouldn't criticise NIAC too much on this one.


  • #2854
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,437 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    According to Sky News: "Around 74,000 people were admitted to hospitals with the virus in recent months, but only 32 of them were vaccinated, official UK data from March shows."

    And that's with primarily AZ having been administered


  • #2855
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Bit cynical wrote: »
    We are well down on the projected 860,000 for the current month and are vaccinating at only slightly greater rates than the month of March, when the slow pace of vaccinations was also being highlighted.

    It is important also to remember also the 860,000 for April is in itself a reduction from a previous projection made earlier in the month and even as a projected number does not sadly match the current pace of countries like the US or UK.

    So what you're saying is........ you admire our consistency?

    Thank you!


  • #2856
    Bit cynical
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,338 ✭✭✭Bit cynical


    SJFly wrote: »
    I think it's really important we monitor performance, and shout loudly if we are seen to be falling behind. However, we have just done the biggest reorganisation of the rollout, changing who gets what vaccine and where.
    Yes, however there does not seem to be much in the way of rational justification for these reorganisations and stoppages given the amount of damage to the economy and people's well-being of continued lockdowns. One wonders how many more of them to expect.


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  • #2857
    sd1999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭sd1999


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    I'm sick of hearing others getting vaccination apart from me, when the hell are the cohort 7 people going to be contacted, if I keep hearing the excuse that they are still vaccinating the over 60s and 70s, why don't they just bloody get on with it and get this roll out moving.

    They're due to start 7 in early May, I presume in order of age. My GP is currently doing over 70s and cohort 4 and have started compiling the list for cohort 7. 100,000 of 250,000 of cohort 4 have had one dose and there are approx 80,000 over 70s left out of 482,000 to get a first dose. Cohort 7's time will come.


  • #2858
    Zipppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,053 ✭✭✭Zipppy


    sd1999 wrote: »
    They're due to start 7 in early May, I presume in order of age. My GP is currently doing over 70s and cohort 4 and have started compiling the list for cohort 7. 100,000 of 250,000 of cohort 4 have had one dose and there are approx 80,000 over 70s left out of 482,000 to get a first dose. Cohort 7's time will come.

    I'm cohort 4 .. had vaccination cancelled last Thurs due to AZ mess...still waiting for new appointment..
    Any number I can ring, GP doesn't know. ?


  • #2859
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    I think this needs clarifying as I've seen it posted here and posted on twitter etc

    860k doses in April is NOT 860k administered, its 860k delivered into the country. This will change again as AZ backloaded delviery is pushed to 3rd May of 100k +.

    There seems to be some confusion when the 860k number is thrown about. Maybe it's not communicated effectively but it's a point to be aware of.

    No, 860k was administered.

    https://twitter.com/zaraking/status/1377654457140441089


  • #2860
    lukas8888
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭lukas8888


    amandstu wrote: »
    No ,it was the 21st.I rang 1850241850 and they said that they will send me out a new appointment with 2 to 3 days notice:)

    Not sure if this applies nationwide, in the north west all were sent texts last night for Astra vaccinations today but were undelivered.I received my text this morning at ten for a 9.30 appointment.Jumped in my car and arrived in Sligo at 10.45.Everbody in the queue only received their texts at same time as me all for today.Bottom line i'm vaccinated so all good.


  • #2861
    Chuck Noland
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭Chuck Noland


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    No, 860k was administered.

    https://twitter.com/zaraking/status/1377654457140441089

    So we only need to do circa 45,000 jabs a day for the rest of the month to meet that target?


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  • #2862
    TomOnBoard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Deeper Blue wrote: »
    According to Sky News: "Around 74,000 people were admitted to hospitals with the virus in recent months, but only 32 of them were vaccinated, official UK data from March shows."

    And that's with primarily AZ having been administered

    Sadly, the study is misleading. The 74,000 includes Covid-related admissions for September, October, November and the first week of December, during which time nobody (other than folks in trials) had been vaccinated. Vaccinations started 8th December, so December admissions ought not be included, as they would not have had a 3-week period from vaccination until early January at best.

    It may well be that valid study will find that out that from say 30,000 admisions during times when vaccinations were being rolled out and only ppl 3+weeks post shot 1 were included, only 32 were found among the vaccinated cohort, and that would be an awesome statistic. However if a study (as reported) is so flawed as this one, its 'conclusions' having been harnessed by BoJo yesterday for naked political purposes, it's unreliable.


  • #2863
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    Chuck Noland wrote: »
    So we only need to do circa 45,000 jabs a day for the rest of the month to meet that target?

    About that. We have administered around 350.000 vaccines in April up to the 19th, so we'd need to give about 510.000 in 11 days, or a bit more than 46.000 jabs per day.

    I think it's clear and understandable that we'll miss that target tho due to the issues with AZ and J&J. I think we'll hit around anywhere between 650.000-700.000 this month, and then hopefully ramp up from there (but I think it really depends on making a good use of AZ and J&J, since Pfizer deliveries are mostly the same in april/may/june).


  • #2864
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    About that. We have administered around 350.000 vaccines in April up to the 19th, so we'd need to give about 510.000 in 11 days, or a bit more than 46.000 jabs per day.

    I think it's clear and understandable that we'll miss that target tho due to the issues with AZ and J&J. I think we'll hit around anywhere between 650.000-700.000 this month, and then hopefully ramp up from there (but I think it really depends on making a good use of AZ and J&J, since Pfizer deliveries are mostly the same in april/may/june).

    I reject the fact that it’s understandable. I do not understand it. We have enough vaccine in storage to hit those target numbers.


  • #2865
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    We have enough vaccine in storage to hit those target numbers.
    No we don't.


  • #2866
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    No, 860k was administered.

    https://twitter.com/zaraking/status/1377654457140441089

    Unfortunately that was revised not long after at the parliamentary party meetings in the days after. The initial expectation of deliveries was 929,000 which would be around 860k administered for sure, this then reduced & now is at 800k into country for the month.

    See below

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/vaccine-delivery-for-april-revised-down-to-slightly-below-a-million-donnelly-says-1.4526163

    And confirmed in the Dail.
    https://www.thejournal.ie/vaccine-target-5398517-Apr2021/

    "Earlier in the Dáil, Health Minister Stephen Donnelly said April’s vaccine doses would be revised down. Last night, he told his parliamentary party that 860,000 would be delivered in April."

    There is confusion though as 1 thing gets said at government level and at party level and another by the HSE. The communication is poor, it needs 1 lead on communicating numbers.

    Deliveries into country now expected at 800k as of yesterday following more messing around from AZ.

    https://twitter.com/JackHoJo/status/1384522478999965698?s=20


  • #2867
    Strazdas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,411 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    About that. We have administered around 350.000 vaccines in April up to the 19th, so we'd need to give about 510.000 in 11 days, or a bit more than 46.000 jabs per day.

    I think it's clear and understandable that we'll miss that target tho due to the issues with AZ and J&J. I think we'll hit around anywhere between 650.000-700.000 this month, and then hopefully ramp up from there (but I think it really depends on making a good use of AZ and J&J, since Pfizer deliveries are mostly the same in april/may/june).

    Both AZ and J&J were suspended for periods during April so it's no surprise at all that targets for the month will be missed.


  • #2868
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,439 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    I reject the fact that it’s understandable. I do not understand it. We have enough vaccine in storage to hit those target numbers.

    We don't, our vaccines in stock are (remembering a lot of these have been administered but not showing in numbers yet):
    Pfizer: 90,000 (20,000 or so will be held back for dose 2)
    Moderna: 91,000 (half held back for dose 2, so maybe 30,000 available to use)
    AZ: 145,000 (paused, unpaused, paused, now being administered to 60-69 at MVC so will be used up quickly causing problems next week due to delivery only being 9k)
    J&J: 14400 waiting for approval


  • #2869
    Godot.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Godot.


    We should hit the target if AZ's deliveries are just a delay this time rather than a permanent cutback (we'll get the doses promised on May 3rd apparently).

    I'll fairly confident we'll hit the target as long as the government doesn't allow ridiculous restrictions on the J&J vaccine. That would be on them, they can't blame the EU or lack of supply (which they quite rightly could previously) for that.


  • #2870
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Godot. wrote: »
    We should hit the target if AZ's deliveries are just a delay this time rather than a permanent cutback (we'll get the doses promised on May 3rd apparently).

    I'll fairly confident we'll hit the target as long as the government doesn't allow ridiculous restrictions on the J&J vaccine. That would be on them, they can't blame the EU or lack of supply (which they quite rightly could previously) for that.

    AZ now have a habit of backloading in the month.

    If they were any other company providing a product you'd cut them loose. Their ability to stick to anything near schedule is absolutely pathetic.

    I'm just thankful for Pfizer & BioNTech, without them we'd be in a bad way.


  • #2871
    snotboogie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    muddypuppy wrote: »
    About that. We have administered around 350.000 vaccines in April up to the 19th, so we'd need to give about 510.000 in 11 days, or a bit more than 46.000 jabs per day.

    I think it's clear and understandable that we'll miss that target tho due to the issues with AZ and J&J. I think we'll hit around anywhere between 650.000-700.000 this month, and then hopefully ramp up from there (but I think it really depends on making a good use of AZ and J&J, since Pfizer deliveries are mostly the same in april/may/june).

    700k seems extremely unlikely. Over the last 7 days we are averaginv 20k per day. Wed need that to jump to 32k per day to get to 700k. I think 600k for April is the best case scenario with about 550k most likely, possibly as low as 500k.


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  • #2872
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Israel offered pizza and beers. In Washington, joints for jabs

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1384870788902256640?s=20


  • #2873
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Israel offered pizza and beers. In Washington, joints for jabs

    https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1384870788902256640?s=20


    We'll offer a meaningful summer :D:pac::p


  • #2874
    PhoenixParker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭PhoenixParker


    snotboogie wrote: »
    700k seems extremely unlikely. Over the last 7 days we are averaginv 20k per day. Wed need that to jump to 32k per day to get to 700k. I think 600k for April is the best case scenario with about 550k most likely, possibly as low as 500k.

    We'll have a very good idea tomorrow from Tuesdays numbers. Judging by the comments on this thread about MVCs and appointments for the 65-69 year old group it's gonna be a bumper week this week anyway.


  • #2875
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,790 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Tyrone212 wrote: »
    Taoiseach- He also clarified that the National Immunisation Advisory Committee (NIAC) will meet tomorrow to consider the latest advice from the European Medicines Agency.

    Why didn't NIAC meet last night. Why wait 48 hours later. Other countries in EU already have and made a decision.


    I've a feeling they will wait until the FDA make a decision and will align with that.
    I think the FDA might announce something on Friday.


  • #2876
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Vaccine effect apparent in Chile in spite of conflicting media reports..

    https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1384878143308173313


  • #2877
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    astrofool wrote: »
    We don't, our vaccines in stock are (remembering a lot of these have been administered but not showing in numbers yet):
    Pfizer: 90,000 (20,000 or so will be held back for dose 2)
    Moderna: 91,000 (half held back for dose 2, so maybe 30,000 available to use)
    AZ: 145,000 (paused, unpaused, paused, now being administered to 60-69 at MVC so will be used up quickly causing problems next week due to delivery only being 9k)
    J&J: 14400 waiting for approval


    Ok they are very different number from a post earlier in the thread. Is there anywhere reliable to get the numbers of vaccines in storage?


  • #2878
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    Ok they are very different number from a post earlier in the thread. Is there anywhere reliable to get the numbers of vaccines in storage?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116958731&postcount=2836


  • #2879
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    Lumen wrote: »
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116958731&postcount=2836

    OK so we have about 350K in fridges at the moment, less that i had believed.

    Still too much, we really need to look at stretching out interval between doses.


  • #2880
    muddypuppy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭muddypuppy


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Unfortunately that was revised not long after at the parliamentary party meetings in the days after. The initial expectation of deliveries was 929,000 which would be around 860k administered for sure, this then reduced & now is at 800k into country for the month.

    Fair enough, guess we'll have to live and see. Thanks for the links.
    snotboogie wrote: »
    700k seems extremely unlikely. Over the last 7 days we are averaginv 20k per day. Wed need that to jump to 32k per day to get to 700k. I think 600k for April is the best case scenario with about 550k most likely, possibly as low as 500k.

    All in all I've chosen to stay very positive on the vaccines as for now (and the past few months) it's the only positive thing going on.
    This week target is 140/160k vaccines, next week is 250k (the week goes into May, but only for the weekend, so most vaccines will be done in April). This week seems very doable, I actually think we'll probably end slightly over target. Then we only need 180k or so to get us above 700k.

    To add: We just did a ~145k week with almost only pfizer, which has consistent deliveries, so I can't really see us going below that going forward - so I will be extremely disappointed if we don't surpass at least 600k.


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  • #2881
    finneys13
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72 ✭✭finneys13


    Looking for some advice. I am now based in Dublin, but due to previous employment, I have a NI NHS number so can get a Covid vaccine in Belfast next week (I am 35).

    I had a mild case of Covid in early March, so immune for the short term anyway.

    If I get the vaccine in NI, it will probably be an AZ, and I wait three months for the second one. If I wait and hope to get a Pfizer (or maybe J&J) in June in Dublin (if things go to plan), I wait one month for the second one (or not at all if J&J).

    So I get the second vaccine in July, maybe August, either way. Should o go to Belfast or just stick to the HSE?


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