Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

BorneTobyWilde · 20-04-2021 11:55PM

https://twitter.com/LaceyCrisp/status/1384655872522178560

Kermit.de.frog · 20-04-2021 11:57PM

You've yet to mention a knife.

These stories are not as straight forward as those who jump to conclusions.

Best to wait for information.

Guy:Incognito · 20-04-2021 11:59PM

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Carbon monoxide is not so crazy when you consider a “normal” level of fentanyl for an overdose is 3.5; Floyd had a level of 11. He also had 70% arterial blockage. I would have thought that people like that are a walking time bomb. Bear in there was no damage to his neck and Chauvin called paramedics to assist Floyd. Incompetence on Chauvin's part sure. Intention to harm? Not so sure.

He called the paramedics? Wow, what a guy. Doing the bare minimum expected of him in 1 area of the whole ****show. Maybe he should have been promoted instead?

This clinging to every little aspect to try justify what happened is just sad. Li,e the eejits that say things like " more black people are killed by other black people than the police" li,e thats some sort of gotcha . The ****ing police are not meant to kill people and if the best you can come up with is that they kill less people than criminals, then you need serious help with youre reasoning. "The police kill less people than criminals do". Well woop dee ****ing do.

Guy:Incognito · 21-04-2021 12:00AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

You've yet to mention a knife.

These stories are not as straight forward as those who jump to conclusions.

Best to wait for information.

Its a 15 year old girl ffs. Unless she had an ak47, jumping out of a car and shooting her multiple times isn't proper policing.

And you didn't mention that apparently she had the knife because she was being attacked and it was at her own home.

The police don't know how to deescalte things. They are trained to shoot people, not to actually police.

Yellow_Fern · 21-04-2021 12:02AM

Tony EH wrote: »

They knew they were ****ed from the beginning. They tried to plea 3rd degree before it even went to trial.

Chauvin was caught on camera killing a man, slowly choking him for nearly ten minutes. All the excuses and naval gazing baloney wasn't going to top that.

The defences' case was paper thin and by the time they were down to trying to blame exhaust fumes, the writing was on the wall.

The problem is we cant know that. Imagery from the other side shows the knee on the shoulder. See photo

https://twitter.com/LouRaguse/status/1379171775876055042/photo/1

Kermit.de.frog · 21-04-2021 12:03AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Its a 15 year old girl ffs. Unless she had an ak47, jumping put of a car and shooting her multiple times isn't proper policing.

And you didn't mention that apparently she had the knife because she was being attacked and it was at her own home.

I'd rather not take simplistic views on events we don't know about.

Guy:Incognito · 21-04-2021 12:04AM

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

The problem is we cant know that. Imagery from the other side shows the knee on the shoulder. See photo

https://twitter.com/LouRaguse/status/1379171775876055042/photo/1

We do know that, because he's guilty and he's in jail now.

It doesn't matter what you say, a jury in the court heard the evidence and convicted him. Your opinion doesn't matter or count.

Tony EH · 21-04-2021 12:05AM

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

The problem is we cant know that.

Bullshit.

He knelt on his neck choking him. He was THE determining factor in Floyd's death.

Your excuses are lame. You like the defences' were.

Guy:Incognito · 21-04-2021 12:05AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I'd rather not take simplistic views on events we don't know about.

Peoplele pushing a narrative rarely do.

Police shouldn't be shooting kids. Knife or not.

I was actually going to throw in a comment that we should start checking her record and see did she bunk off school in the past when I posted the story first but I figured I'd let the usual posters out themselves,

Yellow_Fern · 21-04-2021 12:06AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

We do know that, because he's guilty and he's in jail now.

It doesn't matter what you say, a jury in the court heard the evidence and convicted him. Your opinion doesn't matter or count.

Neither does your opinion matter or count.

Guy:Incognito · 21-04-2021 12:07AM

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Neither does your opinion matter or count.

I didn't give opinion. I gave a fact, that he was found guilty.

Kermit.de.frog · 21-04-2021 12:09AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Peoplele pushing a narrative rarely do.

Police shouldn't be shooting kids. Knife or not.

Again you're commenting like anyone else from a position of ignorance. You don't know what happened or why and what I'm saying is you should wait and find out before jumping to conclusions.

Did you smash it · 21-04-2021 12:09AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Peoplele pushing a narrative rarely do.

Police shouldn't be shooting kids. Knife or not.

I was actually going to throw in a comment that we should start checking her record and see did she bunk off school in the past when I posted the story first but I figured I'd let the usual posters out themselves,

Just wait to get some details. The deceased could have been about to knife into one of the people fighting on her lawn for all any of us know. It’s stupid to not wait for more detail.

Guy:Incognito · 21-04-2021 12:10AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Again you're commenting like anyone else from a position of ignorance. You don't know what happened or why and what I'm saying is you should wait and find out before jumping to conclusions.

I'll say it again. Police are not supposed to be killing people.

Ffs ,they shoot a huge number of dogs over there, including their own police dogs.

Oranage2 · 21-04-2021 12:10AM

I nearly cried at the verdict. Justice for George

joseywhales · 21-04-2021 12:11AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Peoplele pushing a narrative rarely do.

Police shouldn't be shooting kids. Knife or not.

I was actually going to throw in a comment that we should start checking her record and see did she bunk off school in the past when I posted the story first but I figured I'd let the usual posters out themselves,

The guy just said he would withhold judgement until he has more information.

It's a good instinct.

Guy:Incognito · 21-04-2021 12:17AM

joseywhales wrote: »

The guy just said he would withhold judgement until he has more information.

It's a good instinct.

His first sentence in reply was to mention a knife. Its narrative building and is the same in all of these cases. You don't have to look any further than the subject of this thread. The day he was killed there was a concerted effort to put in peoples head everything about his past. Its all to get people on the side of believing these people deserved to die and they brought it on themselves, pick any of these cases and look at the narratives. They're never nearly as quick to dig up the cops record and bring it in to the conversation as part of "getting the full picture"

1123heavy · 21-04-2021 12:20AM

Oranage2 wrote: »

I nearly cried at the verdict. Justice for George

and the pregnant woman no doubt terrorised for life after having a gun pointed at her stomach?

21-04-2021 12:21AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

I'll say it again. Police are not supposed to be killing people.

Ffs ,they shoot a huge number of dogs over there, including their own police dogs.

Yes , the police should use their weapons as a last resort .

They should actually be handcuffing and restraining criminals .

Ooops ....... or maybe not .

Guy:Incognito · 21-04-2021 12:22AM

THE_SHEEP wrote: »

Yes , the police should use their weapons as a last resort .

They should actually be handcuffing and restraining criminals .

Ooops ....... or maybe not .

Yeah, because there's only 2 options, shoot them or 3 people kneel on them till they die....

21-04-2021 12:23AM

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Clear case of voluntary manslaughter. It's obvious just looking at the video.

When emotion and politics get in the way the outcome is a foregone conclusion and that nuance was never going to be entertained given the atmosphere. No different to OJ Simpson trial all be it in reverse. Another foregone conclusion.

A show trial.

I think you are using your forecasting skills to try and analyse legal issues here, Kermit. As with your snow threads your desire for a particular outcome is clouding your judgement.

Yellow_Fern · 21-04-2021 12:27AM

Tony EH wrote: »

Bullshit.

He knelt on his neck choking him. He was THE determining factor in Floyd's death.

Your excuses are lame. You like the defences' were.

We dont know if he was choking him. The case wasn't whether Chauvin is the determining factor in his death. There are various scenarios where he could be and slo not be guilty. Likewise he might not have choked him. Police officers kneel on peoples neck all the time. its in their training manual.

nolivesmatter · 21-04-2021 12:28AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

His first sentence in reply was to mention a knife. Its narrative building and is the same in all of these cases. You don't have to look any further than the subject of this thread. The day he was killed there was a concerted effort to put in peoples head everything about his past. Its all to get people on the side of believing these people deserved to die and they brought it on themselves, pick any of these cases and look at the narratives. They're never nearly as quick to dig up the cops record and bring it in to the conversation as part of "getting the full picture"

That's typically because right or wrong the overwhelming majority of people are against the officer and are already doing that.

Did you smash it · 21-04-2021 12:29AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

His first sentence in reply was to mention a knife. Its narrative building and is the same in all of these cases. You don't have to look any further than the subject of this thread. The day he was killed there was a concerted effort to put in peoples head everything about his past. Its all to get people on the side of believing these people deserved to die and they brought it on themselves, pick any of these cases and look at the narratives. They're never nearly as quick to dig up the cops record and bring it in to the conversation as part of "getting the full picture"

You don’t want any more details other than the immediate newsflash. That is also “narrative building” of a narrative where any further information is suppressed beyond the bare details. And spare me nonsense about police should never shoot teenagers. A country with hundreds of school shootings every year.

There’s onbody cameras that will be released in a day or 2. An incredibly transparent first hand source seen with the death of the kid in Chicago last week.

Effects · 21-04-2021 12:30AM

1123heavy wrote: »

and the pregnant woman no doubt terrorised for life after having a gun pointed at her stomach?

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Oranage2 · 21-04-2021 12:31AM

1123heavy wrote: »

and the pregnant woman no doubt terrorised for life after having a gun pointed at her stomach?

So he deserved to die?

Effects · 21-04-2021 12:33AM

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

Police officers kneel on peoples neck all the time. its in their training manual.

It says in the manual that they can kneel on someone’s neck anytime they want, when there’s no need to? I don’t believe that, you’re making it up.

joseywhales · 21-04-2021 12:33AM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

His first sentence in reply was to mention a knife. Its narrative building and is the same in all of these cases. You don't have to look any further than the subject of this thread. The day he was killed there was a concerted effort to put in peoples head everything about his past. Its all to get people on the side of believing these people deserved to die and they brought it on themselves, pick any of these cases and look at the narratives. They're never nearly as quick to dig up the cops record and bring it in to the conversation as part of "getting the full picture"

Yes I can see that is a tactic that posters use but as with the chauvin case, its all meaningless because as we could see the trial is about whether the officers actions are criminal in that moment, irrespective of whether the alleged victim is a saint or a mass murderer. So the whole narrative is moot anyway. Regardless, by jumping to conclusions, we are also building a narrative which can prejudice our own views before we have full details and it is much harder to keep an open mind if you have already committed yourself before you see all the facts. Perhaps you have more information than me, I have very little. By resorting to the same impulsive narrative building, you just cloud the waters and actually help your opponent create doubt and doubt is all that is required in these cases. Today was great because justice was exercised in the correct way and the rule of law was strengthened. It was not the court of public opinion, it was the court of us law that found him guilty.

Real Donald Trump · 21-04-2021 12:41AM

1123heavy wrote: »

and the pregnant woman no doubt terrorised for life after having a gun pointed at her stomach?

How dare you come on here with facts and bad mouth St George

Yellow_Fern · 21-04-2021 12:42AM

joseywhales wrote: »

Yes I can see that is a tactic that posters use but as with the chauvin case, its all meaningless because as we could see the trial is about whether the officers actions are criminal in that moment, irrespective of whether the alleged victim is a saint or a mass murderer. So the whole narrative is moot anyway. Regardless, by jumping to conclusions, we are also building a narrative which can prejudice our own views before we have full details and it is much harder to keep an open mind if you have already committed yourself before you see all the facts. Perhaps you have more information than me, I have very little. By resorting to the same impulsive narrative building, you just cloud the waters and actually help your opponent create doubt and doubt is all that is required in these cases. Today was great because justice was exercised in the correct way and the rule of law was strengthened. It was not the court of public opinion, it was the court of us law that found him guilty.

There is no way either way you'd get a fair trial when politicians threaten violence if he is acquitted. I am not saying it is a miscarriage of justice but lets not pretend it done in the correct way. Cities will burn if he gets acquitted but somehow it is fair trial??

Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

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