Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

20-04-2021 10:10AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yep I think it's terrible that history is repeating and that the US still has serious issues in terms of Police conduct and that it has incensed the public. Anyway, funnily you actually ignored the substance of my post. The poster claimed something that wasn't true and you and other posters lap it up...

What do you think might cause a fire in a church?.. were they lighting too many candles while praying that the rioters would stop maybe?..

If it turns out it was rioters what would you say?..

penny piper · 20-04-2021 10:11AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

What would have happened if it had been called a mistrial? Does that mean he has to be retried or is that the end of it, he gets to walk free?

Although no matter what verdict is given, he will never be able to walk free. He's a dead man walking.

Well, I know he's not acquitted but probably a trial would be held somewhere else. I'm not sure..it wouldn't be the end of it anyway..

But it's not going to happen anyway.

penny piper · 20-04-2021 10:17AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yep I think it's terrible that history is repeating and that the US still has serious issues in terms of Police conduct and that it has incensed the public. Anyway, funnily you actually ignored the substance of my post. The poster claimed something that wasn't true and you and other posters lap it up...

Strange thing I notice you do the same thing ...

i think the usa has not only problems with police conduct......

ek motor · 20-04-2021 10:21AM

penny piper wrote: »

So basically, you are saying there is no justice in america at the moment?

In this case , probably not

20-04-2021 10:22AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What do you think might cause a fire in a church?.. were they lighting too many candles while praying that the rioters would stop maybe?..

If it turns out it was rioters what would you say?..

That whoever is responsible should be prosecuted for arson.... However at this point in time, there's absolutely no proof of any such thing occurring. So it's a tad silly that you've leapt to such a conclusion with no real basis...

ek motor · 20-04-2021 10:23AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What do you think might cause a fire in a church?.. were they lighting too many candles while praying that the rioters would stop maybe?..

If it turns out it was rioters what would you say?..

Id wager he'd say nothing. Intellectual dishonesty.

20-04-2021 10:27AM

ek motor wrote: »

Id wager he'd say nothing. Intellectual dishonesty.

Seems far more intellectually dishonest to claim a church was set on fire by protesters with no basis. Cause ye don't have any proof. No credible news source claims what ye're claiming... What does it say about ye when ye're jumping to such conclusions?

Mellor · 20-04-2021 10:38AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

What would have happened if it had been called a mistrial? Does that mean he has to be retried or is that the end of it, he gets to walk free?

Although no matter what verdict is given, he will never be able to walk free. He's a dead man walking.

If a mistrial was called. It would be a retrial.
In which case the new jury would have lots of potential knowledge beforehand.

penny piper · 20-04-2021 02:44PM

Does it not seem inappropriate that the president of america joe biden should ring George Floyd's brother on Monday...to let Mr.floyd's brother know he was praying for them and hoping everything would come out to be ok......?????? I think it is......

Sandor Clegane · 20-04-2021 02:50PM

penny piper wrote: »

Does it not seem inappropriate that the president of america joe biden should ring George Floyd's brother on Monday...to let Mr.floyd's brother know he was praying for them and hoping everything would come out to be ok......?????? I think it is......

State officials shouldn't be getting emotionally involved in the case, it's ridiculous and just plain wrong in my view.

I'm no fan of Chauvin but the mans entitled to a fair trial without having presidents and politicians clearly taking sides and trying to sway opinions on the outcome.

BattleCorp · 20-04-2021 02:51PM

penny piper wrote: »

Does it not seem inappropriate that the president of america joe biden should ring George Floyd's brother on Monday...to let Mr.floyd's brother know he was praying for them and hoping everything would come out to be ok......?????? I think it is......

That's a mental thing to do. Very wrong.

Keyzer · 20-04-2021 02:58PM

penny piper wrote: »

Does it not seem inappropriate that the president of america joe biden should ring George Floyd's brother on Monday...to let Mr.floyd's brother know he was praying for them and hoping everything would come out to be ok......?????? I think it is......

Yep, its completely bizarre. But...

1. If Chauvin gets off there will be wholesale riots/anarchy all over the US
2. If Chauvin is found guilty of nothing less than 1st degree murder, same consequences as above

Perhaps he's trying to limit the damage but I don't agree with him doing this.

Waters statements in that clip are beyond ridiculous, tantamount to inciting violence.

osarusan · 20-04-2021 03:00PM

Keyzer wrote: »

2. If Chauvin is found guilty of nothing less than 1st degree murder, same consequences as above

He's not even charged with that.

seamus · 20-04-2021 03:02PM

How is contacting his family, "Taking sides"?

"He was just calling. He knows how it is to lose a family member. And he knows that the process of what we're going through so he was just letting us know that he was praying for us, and hoping that everything would come out to be OK,"

They are still a bereaved family one way or another, contacting them in sympathy doesn't say that you're hoping for a guilty verdict.

I mean, it's a bit odd, sure. There are 55 murders a day in the US. It seems weird for the president to single out just one, but then it is the highest-profile case at the moment, he obviously felt a need to do something.

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 20-04-2021 03:02PM

Keyzer wrote: »

Yep, its completely bizarre. But...

1. If Chauvin gets off there will be wholesale riots/anarchy all over the US
2. If Chauvin is found guilty of nothing less than 1st degree murder, same consequences as above

Perhaps he's trying to limit the damage but I don't agree with him doing this.

Waters statements in that clip are beyond ridiculous, tantamount to inciting violence.

Let the riots begin..

No charge of 1st degree murder.

penny piper · 20-04-2021 03:10PM

seamus wrote: »

How is contacting his family, "Taking sides"?

They are still a bereaved family one way or another, contacting them in sympathy doesn't say that you're hoping for a guilty verdict.

I mean, it's a bit odd, sure. There are 55 murders a day in the US. It seems weird for the president to single out just one, but then it is the highest-profile case at the moment, he obviously felt a need to do something.

I should imagine there are plenty of bereaved families in america.Just because it's a high profile case that's even more he should have kept out of it..it's not "odd" it's inappropriate ...no more than the waters woman getting involved....biden's attorney general merrick is now saying "racism is an american problem and we don't have equal justice"...going on to call for calm before chauvan's verdict.

The judge in the trial even said he "wished elected officials would stop talking about this case".

BattleCorp · 20-04-2021 03:10PM

seamus wrote: »

How is contacting his family, "Taking sides"?

They are still a bereaved family one way or another, contacting them in sympathy doesn't say that you're hoping for a guilty verdict.

I mean, it's a bit odd, sure. There are 55 murders a day in the US. It seems weird for the president to single out just one, but then it is the highest-profile case at the moment, he obviously felt a need to do something.

It's more than odd. He contacted the family while the jury are out doing their deliberations. Very strange timing.

osarusan · 20-04-2021 03:13PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

He contacted the family while the jury are out doing their deliberations. Very strange timing.

It would have been much worse timing if he made the call when the jury could find out about it.

But yeah, politicians shouldn't be saying anything, or anything other than 'let the court do its work.'

partyguinness · 20-04-2021 03:14PM

It was not 1st degree muder...hold on..he is not even charged with that

1. Second degree unintentionla murder
2. Third degree murder
3. Second degree manslaughter

Toss up between 2 and 3 with the safer bet #3 IMO.

Oranage2 · 20-04-2021 03:19PM

How many years will manslaughter bring?

Anything other than 2nd degree murder and there'll be riots

Keyzer · 20-04-2021 03:29PM

osarusan wrote: »

He's not even charged with that.

MeMen2_MoRi_ wrote: »

Let the riots begin..

No charge of 1st degree murder.

I know... that's the crazy part.

A lot of people wont even look at what he's charged with - that's the point I'm making.

bazermc · 20-04-2021 03:47PM

Oranage2 wrote: »

How many years will manslaughter bring?

Anything other than 2nd degree murder and there'll be riots

10 years, 25 and 40 for each of the charge based on severity

MeMen2_MoRi_ · 20-04-2021 03:48PM

bazermc wrote: »

10 years, 25 and 40 for each of the charge based on severity

Also the potential for more years because the crime was committed in front of children.

osarusan · 20-04-2021 03:53PM

bazermc wrote: »

10 years, 25 and 40 for each of the charge based on severity

That's the maximum sentence.

The presumptive sentences are much shorter.

Each count carries a different maximum sentence: 40 years for second-degree unintentional murder, 25 years for third-degree murder, and 10 years for second-degree manslaughter.
But under Minnesota sentencing guidelines, for a person with no criminal history, each murder charge carries a presumptive sentence of 12 1/2 years in prison, while manslaughter has a presumptive sentence of four years.
Prosecutors are seeking a sentence that goes above the guideline range. They cited several aggravating factors, including that Floyd was particularly vulnerable, that Chauvin was a uniformed police officer acting in a position of authority, and his alleged crime was witnessed by multiple children — including a 9-year-old girl who testified that watching the restraint made her “sad and kind of mad.”

https://apnews.com/article/derek-chauvin-trial-charges-716fa235ecf6212f0ee4993110d959df

Brussels Sprout · 20-04-2021 04:58PM

The longer that jury stays out the better it is for Chauvin

cheezums · 20-04-2021 05:54PM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

The longer that jury stays out the better it is for Chauvin

probably true although there is three charges that are all fairly technical that each need discussing in depth.

Overheal · 20-04-2021 05:57PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

That's a mental thing to do. Very wrong.

Explain why it is wrong?

Overheal · 20-04-2021 05:57PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

It's more than odd. He contacted the family while the jury are out doing their deliberations. Very strange timing.

So then you realize the jury is sequestered and still has no idea any of this happened.

So then what is the problem.

Real Donald Trump · 20-04-2021 07:04PM

Overheal wrote: »

So then you realize the jury is sequestered and still has no idea any of this happened.

So then what is the problem.

Politicians should be staying the hell away from it. Let the judicial system do it's job without interference.

Overheal · 20-04-2021 07:06PM

Real Donald Trump wrote: »

Politicians should be staying the hell away from it.

Oh.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-george-floyd-death-video/

Well, they do. All the time. The sudden wokeness from the least woke people about it seems hollow though.

Derek Chauvin murder trial (George Floyd)

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