Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Bubbaclaus · 20-04-2021 12:30PM

princereingold wrote: »

is this a vaccine as per the legal and medical definitions?

or is it unapproved experimental gene therapy?

Its a 5g hotspot. Looking forward to getting mine and boosting my connectivity.

SecretsOfEarth · 20-04-2021 12:31PM

princereingold wrote: »

is this a vaccine as per the legal and medical definitions?

or is it unapproved experimental gene therapy?

It's part of the National Broadband Rollout Plan afaik, quicker to make everyone a hotspot than to be hooking up wires! :pac:

20-04-2021 12:31PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I’m in group 7 and my consultant is in Dublin but I don’t live in Dublin.
Would I get the vaccine near where I live or near the hospital that registered me?

Group 7 is meant to be GP led so should be given by them.

I'd just make sure with your GP that they have you in their group 7 list, your consultant should send a letter to your GP after a visit with them and if you are on a high tech script there should be a copy for your GP records so make sure they've made a note of it if that's the reason for being in group 7.

ceegee · 20-04-2021 12:31PM

princereingold wrote: »

is this a vaccine as per the legal and medical definitions?

or is it unapproved experimental gene therapy?

What is the legal definition of a vaccine?

What do you take the term "experimental gene therapy" to mean?

Russman · 20-04-2021 12:32PM

celt262 wrote: »

Its probably affects peoples allocated times as well if they are arriving 10 minutes before their time and there is a queue of 20 or 30 ahead of them.

I'm due up there with my mother this afternoon, no idea now if I should factor in some waiting time or just arrive at the recommended 5 mins before !

ACitizenErased · 20-04-2021 12:35PM

Thank god the vaccine provides 5G coverage, internet is shocking here

sd1999 · 20-04-2021 12:37PM

The whole argument about the vaccines being "experimental" is ridiculous. EVERY drug is experimental until it's not. The mRNA vaccines were experimental and the trials etc. showed that they are safe and effective meaning they are no longer experimental. Panadol was an "experimental" drug at one point.

Turtwig · 20-04-2021 12:38PM

princereingold wrote: »

is this a vaccine as per the legal and medical definitions?

or is it unapproved experimental gene therapy?

Yes.

No.

MrStuffins · 20-04-2021 12:42PM

princereingold wrote: »

is this a vaccine as per the legal and medical definitions?

or is it unapproved experimental gene therapy?

Took a whole year for this post to go through?

If anyone needs this 5G vaccine it's you!

Chris_5339762 · 20-04-2021 12:44PM

Chris_5339762 wrote:

For anyone who is following or recognises my rantings -

The GP finally rang today. Both are scheduled for Tuesday 20th for their first dose, at long last (ages 73 and 74).

But with a major caveat.

The GP are consistently getting less doses than expected. They vaccinated yesterday (Tue 6th) and got 70 less than they had anticipated, so had to bump 70 patients by two weeks to the 20th. They said there is a reasonable chance my folks will be bumped a further two weeks to May 4th - as they only get a delivery every two weeks.

They're happier now, but worried they'll be pushed out. Hopefully the 20th will happen, but even the 20th is taking the piss a little when it comes to "All over 70s will be offered a dose by mid April" and if they get pushed to the 4th May it'll be a right mockery of the whole thing. Fingers crossed though.

Some good news for those who remember my rantings... both 73 and 74 year old parents got their first Pfizer doses this morning. I'm very glad of that, not just for the obvious reasons but they promised to start WW3 if things didn't go well this morning!

So thats a bit of a relief. I've made them put Dose 2 on the calendar and also Day 10, when some protection seems to kick in from the various Pfizer papers.

stephenjmcd · 20-04-2021 12:50PM

EMA update expected 4pm Irish time
https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/1384404291851595778?s=20

timsey tiger · 20-04-2021 01:01PM

princereingold wrote: »

is this a vaccine as per the legal and medical definitions?

or is it unapproved experimental gene therapy?

yes

majo · 20-04-2021 01:15PM

Gael23 wrote: »

No I’m younger than that. I realize I’ll be waiting a while longer

Hopefully you’ll get it before too much longer. Best of luck.

Strazdas · 20-04-2021 01:16PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

EMA update expected 4pm Irish time
https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/1384404291851595778?s=20

Given that it's very similar to the AstraZeneca vaccine, it will be interesting to see how this pans out and what Ireland does with it.

seamus · 20-04-2021 01:20PM

Trying to crunch numbers here in terms of the numbers in each cohort. Really difficult when you've got two doses and ever-increasing numbers being done every week.

So this is very much on the basis of ignoring some things and making assumptions about others;

Group 5 (60-69 years) will be done with dose 1 by the end of May, if not earlier. This is based on doing about 50k - 100k doses of AZ per week. Which means they'll be done with dose 2 by the end of August,. Thing is, once we're finished with dose 1, we will start building up a significant backlog of AZ. We could start on the dose 2 pretty much immediately at the start of June; that's a 7-8 week gap. Then the 60-69 group are done by the end of July.
However, that's capacity which we will need for the rest of the rollout.

The other priority groups are likewise looking at end of May to be finished with their first dose and end of July for their second.

The end of May timing is kind of serendipidous; it means we can go hell for leather from the start of June on the general population.

This might mean that registration for the 50-59 group will open on 24th May, 40-49 group from around 7th June, 30-39 group from 21st June, etc. That's pure guesswork though. I'm assuming they're not just opening registration for a new age group every day for the next 65 days.

Jinglejangle69 · 20-04-2021 01:21PM

seamus wrote: »

Trying to crunch numbers here in terms of the numbers in each cohort. Really difficult when you've got two doses and ever-increasing numbers being done every week.

So this is very much on the basis of ignoring some things and making assumptions about others;

Group 5 (60-69 years) will be done with dose 1 by the end of May, if not earlier. This is based on doing about 50k - 100k doses of AZ per week. Which means they'll be done with dose 2 by the end of August,. Thing is, once we're finished with dose 1, we will start building up a significant backlog of AZ. We could start on the dose 2 pretty much immediately at the start of June; that's a 7-8 week gap. Then the 60-69 group are done by the end of July.
However, that's capacity which we will need for the rest of the rollout.

The other priority groups are likewise looking at end of May to be finished with their first dose and end of July for their second.

The end of May timing is kind of serendipidous; it means we can go hell for leather from the start of June on the other cohorts.

This might mean that registration for the 50-59 group will open on 24th May, 40-49 group from around 7th June, 30-39 group from 21st June, etc. That's pure guesswork though. I'm assuming they're not just opening registration for a new age group every day for the next 65 days.

The over 70s aren't even close to finishing dose 1.

seamus · 20-04-2021 01:24PM

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

The over 70s aren't even close to finishing dose 1.

82.2% of the over-70s have got their first dose as of Sunday just gone.

Champagne Sally · 20-04-2021 01:26PM

seamus wrote: »

Trying to crunch numbers here in terms of the numbers in each cohort. Really difficult when you've got two doses and ever-increasing numbers being done every week.

So this is very much on the basis of ignoring some things and making assumptions about others;

Group 5 (60-69 years) will be done with dose 1 by the end of May, if not earlier. This is based on doing about 50k - 100k doses of AZ per week. Which means they'll be done with dose 2 by the end of August,. Thing is, once we're finished with dose 1, we will start building up a significant backlog of AZ. We could start on the dose 2 pretty much immediately at the start of June; that's a 7-8 week gap. Then the 60-69 group are done by the end of July.
However, that's capacity which we will need for the rest of the rollout.

The other priority groups are likewise looking at end of May to be finished with their first dose and end of July for their second.

The end of May timing is kind of serendipidous; it means we can go hell for leather from the start of June on the general population.

This might mean that registration for the 50-59 group will open on 24th May, 40-49 group from around 7th June, 30-39 group from 21st June, etc. That's pure guesswork though. I'm assuming they're not just opening registration for a new age group every day for the next 65 days.

I'm probably overly optimistic but I think that the 50 to 59 group will start registering around 10th May which puts my estimates 2 weeks ahead of yours, but I'm always optimistic, we shall see.

Knex* · 20-04-2021 01:29PM

seamus wrote: »

Trying to crunch numbers here in terms of the numbers in each cohort. Really difficult when you've got two doses and ever-increasing numbers being done every week.

So this is very much on the basis of ignoring some things and making assumptions about others;

Group 5 (60-69 years) will be done with dose 1 by the end of May, if not earlier. This is based on doing about 50k - 100k doses of AZ per week. Which means they'll be done with dose 2 by the end of August,. Thing is, once we're finished with dose 1, we will start building up a significant backlog of AZ. We could start on the dose 2 pretty much immediately at the start of June; that's a 7-8 week gap. Then the 60-69 group are done by the end of July.
However, that's capacity which we will need for the rest of the rollout.

The other priority groups are likewise looking at end of May to be finished with their first dose and end of July for their second.

The end of May timing is kind of serendipidous; it means we can go hell for leather from the start of June on the general population.

This might mean that registration for the 50-59 group will open on 24th May, 40-49 group from around 7th June, 30-39 group from 21st June, etc. That's pure guesswork though. I'm assuming they're not just opening registration for a new age group every day for the next 65 days.

Another 5-6 weeks to give everyone over 60 one dose?

I naively thought we'd ramp up to get it done a little quicker than that. Have you average daily totals that you're using to estimate that?

Just looking at it myself now. There's 417k in this cohort, 6 weeks is 42 days. That's an average of around 9k a day, not even accounting for those already jabbed.

I'd be hoping to half that time, even accounting for 2nd doses of previous cohorts. Am I way off?

Jinglejangle69 · 20-04-2021 01:31PM

seamus wrote: »

82.2% of the over-70s have got their first dose as of Sunday just gone.

Yeah not close to been finished.

Someone said here yesterday their parents were told could be 4 weeks.

funnydoggy · 20-04-2021 01:36PM

Sanjuro wrote: »

That's my birthday. If they could go ahead and approve it for use for all, I'd forego any other present, thank you very much.

Happy birthday Sanjuro!

SheepsClothing · 20-04-2021 01:36PM

Surely we start registering 50 - 59 year olds as soon as over 70's are done dose 1. Unless we are giving Pfizer to the 60 - 69 age group, in which case my question would be why would we do that?

Beasty · 20-04-2021 01:41PM

princereingold wrote: »

is this a vaccine as per the legal and medical definitions?

or is it unapproved experimental gene therapy?

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20-04-2021 01:41PM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Surely we start registering 50 - 59 year olds as soon as over 70's are done dose 1. Unless we are giving Pfizer to the 60 - 69 age group, in which case my question would be why would we do that?

Lot of people in cohort 4 and 7 to be done before then.

Strazdas · 20-04-2021 01:42PM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Surely we start registering 50 - 59 year olds as soon as over 70's are done dose 1. Unless we are giving Pfizer to the 60 - 69 age group, in which case my question would be why would we do that?

It's unpredictable when the 50-59 year old portal will open, as we don't even know what vaccine they will receive (except that it's not AstraZeneca anyway).

seamus · 20-04-2021 01:44PM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Surely we start registering 50 - 59 year olds as soon as over 70's are done dose 1. Unless we are giving Pfizer to the 60 - 69 age group, in which case my question would be why would we do that?

There are about 360,000 high-risk 15-59 year olds that are ahead in the queue. So they'll take 2-3 weeks to clear.

hynesie08 · 20-04-2021 01:44PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

EMA update expected 4pm Irish time
https://twitter.com/dannyctkemp/status/1384404291851595778?s=20

Do we know if they had decided who was getting these first J&J? Could we pretty much go straight into jabbing if they OK it or do we have to compile a list?

titan18 · 20-04-2021 01:45PM

SheepsClothing wrote: »

Surely we start registering 50 - 59 year olds as soon as over 70's are done dose 1. Unless we are giving Pfizer to the 60 - 69 age group, in which case my question would be why would we do that?

You'd assume everyone in groups 4 and 7 (or at least a good 80-90% of them) would have 1 dose before you're opening it up to 50-59.

ixoy · 20-04-2021 01:47PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Given that it's very similar to the AstraZeneca vaccine, it will be interesting to see how this pans out and what Ireland does with it.

Reading an article here about it from the US (where it's been used I believe) makes it seem the incidence rate is quite low, lower than AZ and it seems again to effect women 18-49.
What I wonder is would the EMA, or even our local HIAC, go so far as to recommend it for men only (if it came to it) or would that be too tricky.

corkonion · 20-04-2021 01:47PM

If j+j vaccines are deemed to only be given to the older cohort (same as az), surely it’s time to start the under 60’s with Pfizer now. In a few weeks we won’t have anyone unvaccinated in the over 60’s if they are receiving all the approved vaccines. It’d be a real waste to have no use for az/j+j in a few weeks time

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