Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

crossman47 · 19-04-2021 04:29PM

ddarcy wrote: »

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Also realise this is the HSE we’re talking about trying to get this sorted. I’m sure plans and documents need to be created, signed and then make sure they were signed correctly and then handed off to a manager to read and sign and double check that was all done correctly...

In other words, proper protocols are followed and nobody can whistleblow that they weren't.

astrofool · 19-04-2021 04:40PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Simple really ..... it is on trial until proper approval has been granted. Maybe you do not realise they are used presently under emergency rules because the trials have not been completed.

Incorrect, Vaccines in the EU have been approved under Conditional Marketing Approval with a full set of data provided for each vaccine, with the manufacturer of the vaccine also taking on full liability for the medicine that they are providing.

nibtrix · 19-04-2021 04:54PM

showpony1 wrote: »

how common are the side effects of the vaccine i.e. 2 days of fatigue/nausea?
i feel like everyone i hear of who has got it saying they are wrecked for 2/3 days after but not sure if they are just soft/complainers?
are the vast majority fine with no side effects after vaccine?

I got the first dose of Pfizer, arm was sore-ish from about 6 hours afterwards for around 24-30 hours. Nothing too bad, just like someone had given me a dig in the arm or I'd bumped into something.

I know two people in the UK who had AZ, one took a day off work (was already wfh) but I think he was enjoying the excuse for a duvet day. The other said he was a bit tired but nothing more.

PhilOssophy · 19-04-2021 04:58PM

Both parents got Pfizer and had no ill effects whatsoever.
Heard that presenter one on Off The Ball say she was a bit tired after AZ. Bit shook, but was fine after that. Think she is a medical student.

irishlad. · 19-04-2021 05:04PM

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=502588836

About 85% of cohort 3 (over 70's) have now had their first dose.

Micky 32 · 19-04-2021 05:07PM

https://twitter.com/laoneill111/status/1384146848902905865?s=21

BlondeBomb · 19-04-2021 05:10PM

A neighbour said she registered yesterday for the vaccine (she may be 69) and got notification today for the vaccine in the Helix. Have they started calling people or might this be from her GP having perhaps put patients forward?

lucernarian · 19-04-2021 05:17PM

Valhallapt wrote: »

The MVCs are only doing AZ at the moment, probably some complexity in running different booths for Pfizer, by all accounts the MVC are a well oiled machine, might be best not to risk making changes to it, just apply pressure on gps to get the finger out

How is this "applying pressure" supposed to work? I call a GP, I'm told the hospital is looking after it. Hospital says "we are preparing a list", it's rather frustrating from a patient perspective. Even more so for >70s still waiting on a GP to do their job while 65-69 year olds can register by themselves.

is_that_so · 19-04-2021 05:19PM

lucernarian wrote: »

How is this "applying pressure" supposed to work? I call a GP, I'm told the hospital is looking after it. Hospital says "we are preparing a list", it's rather frustrating from a patient perspective. Even more so for >70s still waiting on a GP to do their job while 65-69 year olds can register by themselves.

The over 70 scenario is complicated by practice size, numbers of over 70s and primarily by supply of the mRNA vaccines.

JPup · 19-04-2021 05:23PM

BlondeBomb wrote: »

A neighbour said she registered yesterday for the vaccine (she may be 69) and got notification today for the vaccine in the Helix. Have they started calling people or might this be from her GP having perhaps put patients forward?

They are due to start tomorrow so she is lucky to be one of the first in her age group called. It sure how they are deciding the order.

3mom4 · 19-04-2021 05:28PM

lucernarian wrote: »

How is this "applying pressure" supposed to work? I call a GP, I'm told the hospital is looking after it. Hospital says "we are preparing a list", it's rather frustrating from a patient perspective. Even more so for >70s still waiting on a GP to do their job while 65-69 year olds can register by themselves.

Same here, GP says they aren't vaccinating cohort 4. End of story. No referral to a MVC, just nothing. If you have no consultant, you just don't get vaccinated. It should not be an opt-in programme!

nibtrix · 19-04-2021 05:32PM

3mom4 wrote: »

Same here, GP says they aren't vaccinating cohort 4. End of story. No referral to a MVC, just nothing. If you have no consultant, you just don't get vaccinated. It should not be an opt-in programme!

I think that it is absolutely fine for them to say they are not physically vaccinating cohort 4 or 7 at their practice, they've been put under a huge amount of pressure and many don't have the resources. But to refuse to create a list of referrals is extremely poor!

lucernarian · 19-04-2021 05:34PM

is_that_so wrote: »

The over 70 scenario is complicated by practice size, numbers of over 70s and primarily by supply of the mRNA vaccines.

Something obvious is still being missed here. The AZ vaccine has been proven to be safe to administer to the elderly. Ample UK evidence suggests it's effective. Why not administer AZ vaccine for those still waiting for a first dose in the 70+ group if their GPs, possibly through incompetence, still haven't provided them with an appointment?

3mom4 · 19-04-2021 05:35PM

nibtrix wrote: »

I think that it is absolutely fine for them to say they are not physically vaccinating cohort 4 or 7 at their practice, they've been put under a huge amount of pressure and many don't have the resources. But to refuse to create a list of referrals is extremely poor!

Thanks, have just given up here. I ring and I am told they are not vaccinating and there is no referral list.

19-04-2021 05:39PM

An opinion piece from the Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/who-pays-if-you-suffer-side-effects-from-covid-19-vaccine-1.4540757?mode=amp

is_that_so · 19-04-2021 05:45PM

lucernarian wrote: »

Something obvious is still being missed here. The AZ vaccine has been proven to be safe to administer to the elderly. Ample UK evidence suggests it's effective. Why not administer AZ vaccine for those still waiting for a first dose in the 70+ group if their GPs, possibly through incompetence, still haven't provided them with an appointment?

NIAC are the ones making the calls here on vaccines and many GPs genuinely don't know until the HSE tell them they have supplies.

BlondeBomb · 19-04-2021 05:49PM

JPup wrote: »

They are due to start tomorrow so she is lucky to be one of the first in her age group called. It sure how they are deciding the order.

Thank you. Have a relative 69 who is booked in and waiting. No bother!

TomOnBoard · 19-04-2021 06:04PM

ddarcy wrote: »

Officially Pfizer and Moderna say a max of 7 weeks between doses. I can see it extended but really only to 6 weeks. If they go further than that than you may have legal issues (given the Irish love of lawsuits, I don’t think the HSE/NIAC will go beyond that, someone with no legal experience would be able to win a substantial award...)

I'd hope that they push it out as far as medico-legally aceptable. So, 7 weeks would mean an additional 75% of Pfizer/Moderna shots becoming available on a short-term basis, with increased deliveries being able to backfill the delayed 2nd doses...

Johnboy1951 · 19-04-2021 06:15PM

astrofool wrote: »

Incorrect, Vaccines in the EU have been approved under Conditional Marketing Approval with a full set of data provided for each vaccine, with the manufacturer of the vaccine also taking on full liability for the medicine that they are providing.

Is this then incorrect?

Ireland, as an EU member state, indemnified Covid-19 vaccine manufacturers as part of the advanced purchase agreements. This was necessary in order to obtain access to the vaccines. The result is that the State, rather than the manufacturer, is liable for the cost of redressing injuries caused by these vaccinations.

https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/who-pays-if-you-suffer-side-effects-from-covid-19-vaccine-1.4540757?mode=amp

majo · 19-04-2021 06:15PM

showpony1 wrote: »

how common are the side effects of the vaccine i.e. 2 days of fatigue/nausea?
i feel like everyone i hear of who has got it saying they are wrecked for 2/3 days after but not sure if they are just soft/complainers?
are the vast majority fine with no side effects after vaccine?

I had my first AZ four weeks ago. The following day I felt tired and “off form” plus some aches in arm and hand joints. I was lucky enough to be able to take it easy that day and was back to 100% good health the next day.
I will happily trade one day of not feeling great for the possible serious side effects of a Covid infection.
My healthy daughter (late 30s no underlying conditions) was dreadfully sick with Covid and months later had a worrying resurgence of symptoms.

seamus · 19-04-2021 06:20PM

JPup wrote: »

They are due to start tomorrow so she is lucky to be one of the first in her age group called. It sure how they are deciding the order.

They probably won't publish the full nature of how they allocate slots, but I expect a certain % of slots are kept open every day for late registers and to ensure older people take priority. So if they're doing (say) 67 year olds next Monday, a 65 year old who registers will be allocated an appointment a few days out, but a 69 year old will effectively jump the queue and get an appointment the next day.

The free slots on any given day might be filled up using the oldest individuals who haven't been allocated an appointment yet. Which means that we might see some odd scenarios where someone who registered last week gets a slot next week, but someone who registers today gets a slot on Wednesday (but notified late on Tuesday).

Qrt · 19-04-2021 06:22PM

Does anyone know if the proportion of cases by age has been changing? As in, are the cases in the U45s going up/down since January?

Strazdas · 19-04-2021 06:26PM

Not sure if it has been mentioned here but Paul Reid says the portal for 60 to 64 year olds could be opened as soon as later this week.

lbj666 · 19-04-2021 06:31PM

Qrt wrote: »

Does anyone know if the proportion of cases by age has been changing? As in, are the cases in the U45s going up/down since January?

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1383830274073513989/photo/1

No point comparing numbers , its %tage compared to the rest of the population you have to look at , its clearly is changing for elderly.

Wolf359f · 19-04-2021 06:33PM

Qrt wrote: »

Does anyone know if the proportion of cases by age has been changing? As in, are the cases in the U45s going up/down since January?

Week 1 of this year, 62% of cases were in u45's, that's now up to 75%.
Week 1 of this year 4.6% of cases were aged 75+, that's now down to 2.3%, a 50% decrease.

is_that_so · 19-04-2021 06:36PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Not sure if it has been mentioned here but Paul Reid says the portal for 60 to 64 year olds could be opened as soon as later this week.

So that looks like a drive towards getting all over 60s their first shot by early May.

iamwhoiam · 19-04-2021 06:38PM

I registered on Saturday . Just got an appointment for Thursday 22nd
Delighted ! Its really moving now

ACitizenErased · 19-04-2021 06:38PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I registered on Saturday . Just got an appointment for Thursday 22nd
Delighted ! Its really moving now

4 days from booking to jab is great going, good to see

wadacrack · 19-04-2021 06:40PM

J&J expected to approved again by Friday in the States.

https://twitter.com/SquawkCNBC/status/1384096581125771265

TomOnBoard · 19-04-2021 06:46PM

showpony1 wrote: »

how common are the side effects of the vaccine i.e. 2 days of fatigue/nausea?
i feel like everyone i hear of who has got it saying they are wrecked for 2/3 days after but not sure if they are just soft/complainers?
are the vast majority fine with no side effects after vaccine?

OH and I both got Pfizered at 3pm Saturday. By 5 I began to feels chills and feverish by 7. Steadily became more fluey during the evening. Wasted like from a flu on Sunday, with pains and aches, headaches, feeling generally Bleh!. Awoke today (Monday) at 7 in a lather of sweat and went back to sleep until 12 when I awoke in a puddle. At my worst until around 4 when there was a huge improvement! Feeling good now at almost 7 pm after a big dinner!

OH felt absolutely no different, and really didn't do sympathy much! I think I heard the word "Pussy" mentioned a time or two....

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