Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Deleted User wrote: »

Its great to see so many people out and about. Was out in Howth yesterday and the place was mental. Havent seen it so busy in a long time. Traffic was crazy going into it

Sure was! Saturday was extremely busy around places like Malahide and Howth, traffic jams not seen since before the start of the Lockdown, people just sitting in their cars experiencing the novelty of being in a traffic jam for the first time in about 13 months! :eek:

Parks and forestry areas packed, cars parked on top of each other, there's a lot of pent up demand for people who want to get back to normality after these 13+ month restrictions....

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Exactly

Completed insulated from the harsh reality on the ground

What has that got to do with their salary?

darconio wrote: »

I've already posted this million times, I hope this clarifies that yes, the death toll, is/was inflated to include people that didn't die directly from Covid.

This comes from an official source:

https://www.hiqa.ie/sites/default/files/2020-07/Analysis-of-excess-all-cause-mortality-in-Ireland-during-the-COVID-19-epidemic_0.pdf

As of mid April, in line with World Health Organization (WHO) guidance, death reporting was extended to include deaths both in patients with probable COVID-19 in addition to deaths among confirmed cases.
By definition, such deaths must result from a clinically compatible illness, in a probable or confirmed COVID-19 case, unless there is a clear alternative cause of death that cannot be related to COVID-19 (for example, trauma).

A lot of probable, probably he died from Covid, in doubt add him/her to the death toll

There were quite a few countries attemping to downplay Covid-19 deaths due to their own incompetance in dealing with this pandemic.
Some countries used a system whereby if someone tested positive for Covid-19 and subsequently died 30 days after testing positive, their death was not recorded as being due to Covid-19. There is even one country where if someone was being treated in ICU for Covid-19 and subsequently died outside a certain time-frame the death was not recorded as being due to Covid-19.
The excess death numbers have now exposed much of that for what it was.


I would not be overly impressed with the WHO in this regard either.

They have been more like an opposition political party attempting to be all things to everyone rather than a world health organisation.


They gave a lot of ammunition earlier on to those attempting to downplay the seriousness of this pandemic with their IFR (infection fatality rate) of 0.23%. which has now been shown to be a nonsense.

Appointing Johan Giesecke in September to the vice chair of their Strategic and Technical Advisory Group on Infection Disease where he reports to the Director General on pandemic response said all that needed to be said on thw WHO for me.
This is the person who was exposed in August as the prime mover behimd Sweden`s immoral naturally acquired herd immunity strategy. A strategy which much earlier than September, from Sweden`s own data, had been shown as a complete failure.

charlie14 wrote: »

There were quite a few countries attemping to downplay Covid-19 deaths due to their own incompetance in dealing with this pandemic.
Some countries used a system whereby if someone tested positive for Covid-19 and subsequently died 30 days after testing positive, their death was not recorded as being due to Covid-19. There is even one country where if someone was being treated in ICU for Covid-19 and subsequently died outside a certain time-frame the death was not recorded as being due to Covid-19.
The excess death numbers have now exposed much of that for what it was.


I would not be overly impressed with the WHO in this regard either.

They have been more like an opposition political party attempting to be all things to everyone rather than a world health organisation.


They gave a lot of ammunition earlier on to those attempting to downplay the seriousness of this pandemic with their IFR (infection fatality rate) of 0.23%. which has now been shown to be a nonsense.

Appointing Johan Giesecke in September to the vice chair of their Strategic and Technical Advisory Group on Infection Disease where he reports to the Director General on pandemic response said all that needed to be said on thw WHO for me.
This is the person who was exposed in August as the prime mover behimd Sweden`s immoral naturally acquired herd immunity strategy. A strategy which much earlier than September, from Sweden`s own data, had been shown as a complete failure.

Not sure what has this anything to do with the fact that the death toll, in Ireland, was inflated in accordance with the WHO directive.

We can discuss restrictions/lockdowns and we can have different opinions, but we cannot twist the reality and have a subjective view of it.

charlie14 wrote: »

The reality is that we have no complete official figures for cause of death in Ireland for 2020. Only assumptions and suppositions



The same assumptions and supposition have been made for other countries over the past year, but when official excess death figures became know for those countries, those assumptions and suppositions were shown to be false with those excess deaths all being during the periods when there were subsequent Covid waves.


It`s nothing to do with twisting reality. It`s what the official figures from Eurostat show. So unless there is another killer virus running in tandem with Covid-19 that we haven`t heard off as being a cause of those excess deaths, then I cannot see any other explaination for them.

The term killer virus is amusing

There is a good chance you won’t know you have it, if you do get it there is a 99.7% survival rate last I heard

It’s not going to make a very exciting film

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The term killer virus is amusing

There is a good chance you won’t know you have it, if you do get it there is a 99.7% survival rate last I heard

It’s not going to make a very exciting film

Not so deadly virus

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I can't link it but there's a video going around on Whatsapp (was sent it this morning) with Leo and Michael D as Luke and Yoda and although it's obviously a pisstake, the points about the fatality rate, median age and the impact of it all are spot on.

As usual, the best humour has elements of truth in it.

I assume it’s this one?

https://twitter.com/leptagon2/status/1383693180059619328?s=21

charlie14 wrote: »

The reality is that we have no complete official figures for cause of death in Ireland for 2020. Only assumptions and suppositions

The same assumptions and supposition have been made for other countries over the past year, but when official excess death figures became know for those countries, those assumptions and suppositions were shown to be false with those excess deaths all being during the periods when there were subsequent Covid waves.


It`s nothing to do with twisting reality. It`s what the official figures from Eurostat show. So unless there is another killer virus running in tandem with Covid-19 that we haven`t heard off as being a cause of those excess deaths, then I cannot see any other explaination for them.

So you agree that the death toll, in Ireland, was inflated in accordance with the WHO directive.
Just want to make sure that this is established as unconfutable truth, before somebody comes out with the usual CT bull$hit.
I agree we don't know the official figures but the hysteria that was created, was only to support the narrative that we are/were facing the worst plague in the history of mankind.

Graham wrote: »

Reality check (not from a meme)

Cases are dropping.
Hospitalisations are dropping
Vaccinations are increasing
Restrictions are being eased.

Mainly ones that have little impact on our day to day lives

normanoffside wrote: »

Or this one

https://twitter.com/leptagon2/status/1382677067578363905?s=21

Yup that one.

Hard not to see the likes of NPHET/Staines etc hanging around like a bad smell when/if we go back to somewhat normal (more normal than 2020) and been in the media with there negative attention spanning headlines

There should be no mention of 'going back into lockdown' and likes. Like Christmas it could blow up in there faces

charlie14 wrote: »

Where did you get that from in my post.
The uncomfortable truth for anyone attempting to play down the number of deaths due to Covid-19 is in the Eurostat monthly excess deaths figures.

These figures are the official figures for each E.U. country other than Ireland, because there are no official Irish figures available. They do not list cause of death, but it would be stretching credulity attemping to say with the large increases in excess deaths coinciding with the various Covid waves, they were due to anything other than due to Covid-19.


Who knows, when we get the official figures we may have bucked the trend and be one of the top countries in the world in keeping Covid deaths low, but it would be perhaps naive and misleading to assume we have just based on assumptions and incomplete figure.
Another thread on here in relation to another country had a number of posters who were doing just that as late as Mid December predicting less deaths than the previous year. When the official figures were published deaths were over 10% greater.

gozunda wrote: »

Part of that is because you can have a clinical diagnosis (ie a doctor verifies the patients condition from symptoms and subsequent medical outcomes - that a person died of covid) and / or a lab / pm based diagnosis of death from Covid. And yes there is always room for some error - both ways - in regard to any total figure

Eitherway Ireland has a relatively low death per capita something other countries have not achieved.

And despite a large spike in the number of deaths in the month of January - restrictions meant that the infection rate was reduced fairly quickly..

But perhaps more importantly the pandemic is not just about death rates. New cases up to present have been used as an predictor of likely hospital cases and those in need of critical care of all ages

And where you get a rapid rise in new cases then that's potentially a problem for managing the rate of infection overall.

And if we leave off with the usual tabloid headlines and worst case scenarios beloved of modelers - we know this is not the worst plague ever. What it is - is infectious enough to make enough people sick to put serious pressure on our healthcare and other systems.

At present we're still managing that rate of infection until we get people vaccinated.
Thats where we are.

A very long hyperbole, but in conclusion, can we agree, as stated in the official document, that the death toll, in Ireland, was inflated in accordance with the WHO directives?
I'm not looking for the reason behind, can we at least admit it?