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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #6362
    ceadaoin.
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,687 ✭✭✭ceadaoin.


    PintOfView wrote: »
    Just to keep things in perspective, here are the weekly deaths in the US from all causes for the last 4 years.
    Orange line is the threshold for excess deaths
    (from here -> https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm)
    If we haven't had excess deaths for 2020, then why?

    550622.PNG

    Interesting how the deaths for this year so far are well below the average according to that chart


  • #6363
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    ceadaoin. wrote: »
    Interesting how the deaths for this year so far are well below the average according to that chart

    Hold your horses there captain tinfoil


    There is a delay in reporting the figures
    This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction and cause of death.

    First bar under the average is from week ending 6th March ... (6 weeks ago)


  • #6364
    frank8211
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 306 ✭✭frank8211


    Breaston Plants wrote: »
    Thinking of heading to Belfast June Bank holiday weekend, was wondering would inter county travel be eaaed by then? And what would the chances of being stopped by the Gardai?

    Id say yuo would be fine. If its not changed they will have given up enforcing bar occasional magnet such as wicklow and wexford


  • #6365
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-oregon-6f7f919d27644d02c330da5a8648af95

    Looks like Oregon are planning on making mask wearing and social distancing mandatory indefinitely. A sneak peak into Ireland's future ?


  • #6366
    Dr. Bre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,852 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    Have we flattened the curve yet


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  • #6367
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    ypres5 wrote: »
    A sneak peak into Ireland's future ?

    nah


  • #6368
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    normanoffside wrote: »
    We're officially losing our Euro 2020 matches tomorrow :mad:

    https://twitter.com/IrishTimesSport/status/1383863542864961542

    Our resident Joe Duffy listeners will be overjoyed at the prospect of ridding the country of any semblance of fun for the foreseeable future. We'll all be united in our misery of living under restrictions, the Ireland de Valeras dreamed of shall live again


  • #6369
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Breaston Plants wrote: »
    Thinking of heading to Belfast June Bank holiday weekend, was wondering would inter county travel be eaaed by then? And what would the chances of being stopped by the Gardai?

    I've been up and back to belfast to play golf for the last 2 weeks, not one sign of a checkpoint.


  • #6370
    corkonion
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭corkonion


    Dr. Bre wrote: »
    Have we flattened the curve yet

    We have, but now we've realised that some deadly mutation could evolve sometime somewhere in the future. Hold firm.


  • #6371
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    arccosh wrote: »
    nah

    Brilliant rebuttal. So when do you think masks and social distancing will be done away with and why do you think so? Because all indications from gov are they'll be here a while yet


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  • #6372
    PintOfView
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 857 ✭✭✭PintOfView


    ypres5 wrote: »
    https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-oregon-6f7f919d27644d02c330da5a8648af95

    Looks like Oregon are planning on making mask wearing and social distancing mandatory indefinitely. A sneak peak into Ireland's future ?

    Indefinitely means forever.
    However that's not what that article says.
    It's clearly meant to just last until the threat from Covid has passed.
    See ...
    The proposal would keep the rules in place until they are “no longer necessary to address the effects of the pandemic in the workplace.”

    Michael Wood, administrator of the state’s department of Occupational Safety and Health,
    said the move is necessary to address a technicality in state law that requires
    a “permanent” rule to keep current restrictions from expiring.

    “We are not out of the woods yet,” he said.


  • #6373
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    PintOfView wrote: »
    Indefinitely means forever.
    However that's not what that article says.
    It's clearly meant to just last until the threat from Covid has passed.
    See ...

    Reality rarely impinges when the thread gets into full rant mode


  • #6374
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    UI_Paddy wrote: »
    The rise in cases we saw early this year was caused by the UK B117 variant. I know very few people who weren't responsible at Christmas.

    Except that at the start of January only 10% of cases were the “variant”


  • #6375
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    ypres5 wrote: »
    Brilliant rebuttal. So when do you think masks and social distancing will be done away with and why do you think so? Because all indications from gov are they'll be here a while yet

    double nah


  • #6376
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    PintOfView wrote: »
    Indefinitely means forever.
    However that's not what that article says.
    It's clearly meant to just last until the threat from Covid has passed.
    See ...

    And when will the threat of covid be deemed as passed? It might as well be indefinitely


  • #6377
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Reality rarely impinges when the thread gets into full rant mode

    So posting an article and commenting on it's contents is 'ranting' now is it? Have you anything of substance to add or just make petty jabs as usual?


  • #6378
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    arccosh wrote: »
    double nah

    Sorry I'll try and use smaller words from now on to make it a bit easier for you. Bless.


  • #6379
    scamalert
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,738 ✭✭✭scamalert


    if only few who lost their marbles would realize aside vaccines this **** covid situation wont be getting any better and doesnt matter whatever is done that few thousand extra deaths means f all, when theres circa 30k annually dying from other chance illnesses accidents and diseases in greater scheme we reached a point where goverment only needs to do one job and its getting jab into muscles as fast as possible and letting of the idiotic concept to save a few, while drowning everyone then we could be back to normal in no time.


  • #6380
    0lddog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,292 ✭✭✭0lddog


    ypres5 wrote: »
    And when will the threat of covid be deemed as passed? It might as well be indefinitely


    Will be in the constitution. Right there beside 'The right to bare arms' :D


  • #6381
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    ypres5 wrote: »
    Sorry I'll try and use smaller words from now on to make it a bit easier for you. Bless.

    don't be sorry, it'll still be garbage anyway


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  • #6382
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ypres5 wrote: »
    So posting an article and commenting on it's contents is 'ranting' now is it? Have you anything of substance to add or just make petty jabs as usual?

    You say “commenting” I say “misrepresenting to engage rant force 9”. Either that or just reading the headline and first paragraph, which given the propensity of the majority of posters to jump in with the opinion before they even read the source, irrespective of their position on most issues, may in fact be the case


  • #6383
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    You say “commenting” I say “misrepresenting to engage rant force 9”. Either that or just reading the headline and first paragraph, which given the propensity of the majority of posters to jump in with the opinion before they even read the source, irrespective of their position on most issues, may in fact be the case

    So when will the threat of covid be deemed as passed? Can you answer that question once your finished throwing around accusations?


  • #6384
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    arccosh wrote: »
    don't be sorry, it'll still be garbage anyway

    U okay hun pm me xx


  • #6385
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    ypres5 wrote: »
    U okay hun pm me xx

    no tanx bbz the hack


  • #6386
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 78,464 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    ypres5 and arccosh

    I suggest putting each other on ignore as you are both acting uncivilly towards one another


  • #6387
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    ypres5 wrote: »
    So when will the threat of covid be deemed as passed? Can you answer that question once your finished throwing around accusations?

    When enough people have resistance through vaccination or previous infection to no longer require suppression methods to control spread and prevent hospitalisations. This will be in two phases. When just the vulnerable are done and when effective suppression is reached. The UK and much of the US has passed phase 1. Israel has passed phase 2. We will reach phase 1 next month and phase 2 before the end of June. The majority of the world’s population won’t get there this year unfortunately.

    When we reach what I called phase 2 the will still need to be monitoring of “variants” but these are highly unlikely to cause the levels of severe disease in those already exposed/vaccinated and the vaccine technology will be rapidly deployed to deal with emerging issues. Prepare to be surprised by the pace of return to something approaching normality over the summer. By next year, for us at least, essentially it will be like an enhanced version of ongoing influenza surveillance


  • #6388
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,648 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Zebra3 wrote: »
    What has that got to do with stats not being provided to the EU on (potentially) excessive mortality rates?

    Other than there are no official stats to back up what the Mayo coroner is assuming, which is at variance with the Eurostat stats from every other E.U. country, and, as another poster showed the U.S.A., as regarding large excess deaths for the months corresponding with when the various waves were at their height you mean?

    If that coroner is correct, then I cannot see anything to explain Ireland looking like one of the most, if not the actual most, successful countries in the world in regards to minimising Covid-19 deaths. Can you ?


  • #6389
    Dickie10
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,069 ✭✭✭Dickie10


    there are loads of backroads across the border anyway, even if you stay off the main roads. Gardai are pretty much done with any covid checkpoints since they didnt get their jabs. expect only token ones from now and i would think none in a months time


  • #6390
    Sharpyshoot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 452 ✭✭Sharpyshoot


    Dickie10 wrote: »
    there are loads of backroads across the border anyway, even if you stay off the main roads. Gardai are pretty much done with any covid checkpoints since they didnt get their jabs. expect only token ones from now and i would think none in a months time

    Just wait for a wet day also. First drop of rain and it’s into the car to catch up on their phones.


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  • #6391
    charlie14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,648 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Del Griffith wrote: »
    I honestly thought you'd switched sides when I read that. That's precisely what's happening with deaths counted as covid. You can literally die of anything and if you test positive, you're in the numbers.

    Is that what you meant, its grand when it's covid but obviously absurd if it were road fatalities?

    If there was any kind of plausible explanation for excess deaths coinciding with the heights of the various Covid waves then that could possibly be true. But I have yet to hear one.


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