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gozunda · 18-04-2021 05:11PM

lawred2 wrote: »

you're trying way too hard now - maybe take some time off

Eh? You moding now?

But No - rest assured no effort at all there.

Though sorry if that upset you ...

That said - It's really not to hard to spot those grasping at straws - quoting a piece of headline journalism and all whilst deriding journalists at the same time :pac:

charlie14 · 18-04-2021 05:17PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Imagine living in a democracy where journalists would hold the Minister of Health to account for this.

For what, the views of a coroner where there are no official figures to back up his views, while official statistics from the rest of Europe show large increases in the percentage of deaths corresponding with the various waves of this pandemic ?

gozunda · 18-04-2021 05:21PM

UI_Paddy wrote: »

It's not unheard of. Dr Gerard Waters has been questioning whether the deaths of patients with COVID that have occurred have been a result of COVID itself. I spoke to him just as this pandemic hit Ireland, so can confirm he's held these views all along. Interesting he's been pushing for post mortems, as they would be the true test of his (and some others) stance.

You mean DR. Gerard Waters who admitted not referring any patients for Covid tests and who was suspended from practicing medicine

I'll pass thanks ...

Don't Chute! · 18-04-2021 05:42PM

Don’t know if this was posted already?
https://youtu.be/0gx8T9qAVYY

How long are the absolute fools going to let this go on before they do something? This country is officially closed for business.

Zebra3 · 18-04-2021 05:58PM

charlie14 wrote: »

For what, the views of a coroner where there are no official figures to back up his views, while official statistics from the rest of Europe show large increases in the percentage of deaths corresponding with the various waves of this pandemic ?

For not supplying figures on excessive mortality rates.

ypres5 · 18-04-2021 06:04PM

charlie14 wrote: »

I did, and from the Eurostat link I posted then if this coroner is correct in his assumptions, in Ireland, if not indeed the world, it appears we have been the most successful in managing this pandemic where loss of life is concerned does it not ?

No I'm agreeing with you, I'm just saying that someone said the coroner's not a doctor when he did. Thanks for putting that link up it made for good reading

adamandeve · 18-04-2021 06:06PM

Sorry if I'm late to this thread and its already been discussed,its essential travel. What's the story if you want to visit a loved ones grave but its outside your 20 km and you need to take the train intercity are you going to be checked and questioned at the moment is it that strict?

_Kaiser_ · 18-04-2021 06:08PM

adamandeve wrote: »

Sorry if I'm late to this thread and its already been discussed,its essential travel. What's the story if you want to visit a loved ones grave but its outside your 20 km and you need to take the train intercity are you going to be checked and questioned at the moment is it that strict?

Travel to a grave is one of the "approved" reasons, regardless of distance

lawred2 · 18-04-2021 06:09PM

gozunda wrote: »

Eh? You moding now?

But No - rest assured no effort at all there.

Though sorry if that upset you ...

That said - It's really not to hard to spot those grasping at straws - quoting a piece of headline journalism and all whilst deriding journalists at the same time :pac:

That wasn't modding. Just some advice.

gozunda · 18-04-2021 06:17PM

lawred2 wrote: »

That wasn't modding. Just some advice.

"Advice"? Afaik this is a discussion forum. Not Dr. Lawreds agony column...

charlie14 · 18-04-2021 06:20PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

For not supplying figures on excessive mortality rates.

For the journalist not doing a bit of basic research and asking the coroner why he believed we will not have excess deaths like the rest of Europe during the heights of those waves as shown by the Eurostat link.

Pdoghue · 18-04-2021 06:26PM

That people are dying with Covid but their deaths are not directly caused by Covid has been reported widely since it started. It's certainly a fudge of sorts, for whatever reasons.

Imagine if the authorities reported Covid deaths of anyone who was vaccinated but died within 28 days of being vaccinated. It would certainly put a new spin on things!

charlie14 · 18-04-2021 06:49PM

Pdoghue wrote: »

That people are dying with Covid but their deaths are not directly caused by Covid has been reported widely since it started. It's certainly a fudge of sorts, for whatever reasons.

Imagine if the authorities reported Covid deaths of anyone who was vaccinated but died within 28 days of being vaccinated. It would certainly put a new spin on things!

It`s a fudge that some countries and those who wish to downplay the severity of this virus have been attempting since the start.
Now with more information on excess deaths it is becoming more difficult for them to do so.

It`s inevitable that actually will happen. Vaccines have a high protection percentage after the first dose and higher again after the second, but they are not guaranteed 100%.
I have no doubt there will be journalists spinning that for all they are worth while totally ignoring the statistics of the lowering of Covid deaths due to vaccination.
Scare stories now sell much better than factual ones.

PintOfView · 18-04-2021 07:10PM

Just to keep things in perspective, here are the weekly deaths in the US from all causes for the last 4 years.
Orange line is the threshold for excess deaths
(from here -> https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm)
If we haven't had excess deaths for 2020, then why?

adamandeve · 18-04-2021 07:27PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Travel to a grave is one of the "approved" reasons, regardless of distance

Thanks for that I'm just wondering how you would prove this if asked

Jim_Hodge · 18-04-2021 07:32PM

adamandeve wrote: »

Thanks for that I'm just wondering how you would prove this if asked

Have the name of a graveyard handy, as I've asked which one I was going to.

Stheno · 18-04-2021 07:41PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Have the name of a graveyard handy, as I've asked which one I was going to.

Really?

facehugger99 · 18-04-2021 08:05PM

adamandeve wrote: »

Thanks for that I'm just wondering how you would prove this if asked

Why would you need to prove anything.

Doesn’t even have to be the grave of anyone you know.

I’ve gone on loads of trips during the lockdown, just look up a graveyard on google maps close to where you want to go.

Zebra3 · 18-04-2021 08:06PM

charlie14 wrote: »

For the journalist not doing a bit of basic research and asking the coroner why he believed we will not have excess deaths like the rest of Europe during the heights of those waves as shown by the Eurostat link.

What has that got to do with stats not being provided to the EU on (potentially) excessive mortality rates?

arccosh · 18-04-2021 08:19PM

PintOfView wrote: »

Just to keep things in perspective, here are the weekly deaths in the US from all causes for the last 4 years.
Orange line is the threshold for excess deaths
(from here -> https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/excess_deaths.htm)
If we haven't had excess deaths for 2020, then why?

I wonder what was happening from quarter 2 onwards in 2020

normanoffside · 18-04-2021 08:28PM

We're officially losing our Euro 2020 matches tomorrow :mad:

https://twitter.com/IrishTimesSport/status/1383863542864961542

arccosh · 18-04-2021 08:43PM

normanoffside wrote: »

We're officially losing our Euro 2020 matches tomorrow :mad:

https://twitter.com/IrishTimesSport/status/1383863542864961542

Delighted, too much fun to be had there, hopefully we'll still be in lockdown so no one can watch it in the pub either

Sharpyshoot · 18-04-2021 08:44PM

arccosh wrote: »

Delighted, too much fun to be had there, hopefully we'll still be in lockdown so no one can watch it in the pub either

With the Indian variant probably.

niallo27 · 18-04-2021 08:47PM

If excess deaths are low they will hail the lockdowns as bring an overwhelming success, if they are high they will blame Christmas and people not able to control themselves. There will be no accountability.

arccosh · 18-04-2021 08:52PM

niallo27 wrote: »

If excess deaths are low they will hail the lockdowns as bring an overwhelming success, if they are high they will blame Christmas and people not able to control themselves. There will be no accountability.

They're two legitimate arguments tbf

Aph2016 · 18-04-2021 08:58PM

niallo27 wrote: »

If excess deaths are low they will hail the lockdowns as bring an overwhelming success, if they are high they will blame Christmas and people not able to control themselves. There will be no accountability.

Accountability doesn't exist in this country. Watching reeling in the years for 2011, things are far more bleak and depressing now than they were back then, and there was no accountability back then either.

UI_Paddy · 18-04-2021 09:18PM

arccosh wrote: »

They're two legitimate arguments tbf

The rise in cases we saw early this year was caused by the UK B117 variant. I know very few people who weren't responsible at Christmas.

Breaston Plants · 18-04-2021 09:18PM

Thinking of heading to Belfast June Bank holiday weekend, was wondering would inter county travel be eaaed by then? And what would the chances of being stopped by the Gardai?

Del Griffith · 18-04-2021 09:21PM

gozunda wrote: »

Great idea. No idea why actual medical professionals didnt think of that before.

Plus its really going to sort out a lot of road death statistics and help bring them right down...

Someone got hit by a bus and killed = Road fatality?

Nah don't be daft - guy had a dicky heart and etc

I honestly thought you'd switched sides when I read that. That's precisely what's happening with deaths counted as covid. You can literally die of anything and if you test positive, you're in the numbers.

Is that what you meant, its grand when it's covid but obviously absurd if it were road fatalities?

arccosh · 18-04-2021 09:21PM

UI_Paddy wrote: »

The rise in cases we saw early this year was caused by the UK B117 variant. I know very few people who weren't responsible at Christmas.

I knew it was the Brits, sneaking in with Huawei

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