Manchester United Teamtalk/Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2020/21- Mod Notes #1

18-04-2021 07:16PM

The statement from the clubs later will be interesting. I'd imagine it might be getting amended after the initial backlash or will they come out fighting.

kerplun k · 18-04-2021 07:17PM

I don’t get the greed argument.

The average match day ticket for the premier league is about €70,

1k for a season ticket (doesn’t include cup games)

€75 for the full sports subscription package.

A football jersey can cost anything between €70 - €90.

In 2018, the UK segment of the Premier League TV rights sold for £4.5bn, down from a £5.1bn high in 2015. The Premier League TV rights for 2022 to 2025 will go under the hammer in the next few months. What’s that gonna cost?

Just for the record, I’m against the idea of a European super league, but please spare me the details about greed in football, that ship sailed a long time ago Gary.

The Big Easy · 18-04-2021 07:17PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

Gary has called for independent regulators before and has praised the German system in the past.

Quotes from 2018 when he was calling for reform.

“I don’t want the Glazer family, John W Henry or Roman Abramovich or Daniel Levy running football in this country,””

It’s not like he hasn’t spoken about the need to fix the issues before.

Fair enough and hopefully something is done but it probably won't.

I still imagine this is some kind of negotiating tactic, they obviously didn't get everything they wanted from UEFA so throw this out there ahead of next week's announcement.

It's interesting that the clubs are releasing a statement tonight, which means it could be more than just about applying pressure to UEFA.

They're all pretty contemptible from UEFA to Sky to the Glazers, so I'm not going to get too worked up about it.

Mantis Toboggan · 18-04-2021 07:24PM

I'd love to see it, imagine it, real football against the best teams week in week out. We're big enough to be in with the big boys if this gets the go ahead and we're good enough under Ole to mix it with any of them. To be honest fcuk the likes of West brom and Burnley we deserve to be in with the best teams.

Now I've been hearing about this breakaway for years and I've no doubt that it will never happen. Needs to be backed by a large TV company ie sky sports.

eigrod · 18-04-2021 07:26PM

kerplun k wrote: »

I don’t get the greed argument.

The average match day ticket for the premier league is about €70,

1k for a season ticket (doesn’t include cup games)

€75 for the full sports subscription package.

A football jersey can cost anything between €70 - €90.

In 2018, the UK segment of the Premier League TV rights sold for £4.5bn, down from a £5.1bn high in 2015. The Premier League TV rights for 2022 to 2025 will go under the hammer in the next few months. What’s that gonna cost?

Just for the record, I’m against the idea of a European super league, but please spare me the details about greed in football, that ship sailed a long time ago Gary.

Exactly. And one of these big money clubs will very soon pay 1 player €1m per week. Then you have FIFA who covered up what the likes of Blatter and Platini were up to, and the English football authorities covering up systematic child abuse by licensed coaches in recent years. Sky employees castigating this is nauseating as their goose laying their golden eggs is under threat. And the PL making an absolute shambles of the game with their interpretation of VAR.

Adamocovic · 18-04-2021 07:26PM

kerplun k wrote: »

I don’t get the greed argument.

The average match day ticket for the premier league is about €70,

1k for a season ticket (doesn’t include cup games)

€75 for the full sports subscription package.

A football jersey can cost anything between €70 - €90.

In 2018, the UK segment of the Premier League TV rights sold for £4.5bn, down from a £5.1bn high in 2015. The Premier League TV rights for 2022 to 2025 will go under the hammer in the next few months. What’s that gonna cost?

Just for the record, I’m against the idea of a European super league, but please spare me the details about greed in football, that ship sailed a long time ago Gary.

I think their main greed argument is referring to clubs just splitting the tv money amongst themselves rather than the rest of the footballing pyramid.

Of course there is already greed and the money should be split more evenly but this would result in them not splitting it with the others. Just amongst the teams in super league.

ArmaniJeanss · 18-04-2021 07:27PM

Haylee Attractive Skirmish wrote: »

Was GNEV out front and centre against Glazers taking over the club? was he ****. on his high horse about something that will directly effect his line of work.

The Glazer takeover was what, 2002/2003?
Back then Neville was a 20something footballer who doubtless cared little for anything that was happening in football outside of 'who I will be battling on the right side of the pitch next Saturday'.
He has a voice and a platform now and to me (Pool fan who dislikes GN the footballer) he seems to use it for good so fair dues to him. That he wasn't as vocal or politically minded 18 years ago seems harsh to hold against him.

GoldFour4 · 18-04-2021 07:33PM

kerplun k wrote: »

I don’t get the greed argument.

The average match day ticket for the premier league is about €70,

1k for a season ticket (doesn’t include cup games)

€75 for the full sports subscription package.

A football jersey can cost anything between €70 - €90.

In 2018, the UK segment of the Premier League TV rights sold for £4.5bn, down from a £5.1bn high in 2015. The Premier League TV rights for 2022 to 2025 will go under the hammer in the next few months. What’s that gonna cost?

Just for the record, I’m against the idea of a European super league, but please spare me the details about greed in football, that ship sailed a long time ago Gary.

Think the greed argument is fairly clear. Closed shop for 15 of the clubs with no threat of relegation. A cap on wages in place and therefore no need to spend money in excess of rivals to compete.

People supporting this would want to look at the state of some franchises in the NFL. Absolute mediocrity for some teams for years on end with the owners still pocketing profits due to guaranteed share of tv money and a salary cap.

pjohnson · 18-04-2021 07:37PM

Dunno how many players would be keen on giving up playing for their countries...

beakerjoe · 18-04-2021 07:38PM

kerplun k wrote: »

I don’t get the greed argument.

The average match day ticket for the premier league is about €70,

1k for a season ticket (doesn’t include cup games)

€75 for the full sports subscription package.

A football jersey can cost anything between €70 - €90.

In 2018, the UK segment of the Premier League TV rights sold for £4.5bn, down from a £5.1bn high in 2015. The Premier League TV rights for 2022 to 2025 will go under the hammer in the next few months. What’s that gonna cost?

Just for the record, I’m against the idea of a European super league, but please spare me the details about greed in football, that ship sailed a long time ago Gary.

Greed motivates them though. Its just a bit rich coming from the likes of Gary Neville.

beakerjoe · 18-04-2021 07:39PM

pjohnson wrote: »

Dunno how many players would be keen on giving up playing for their countries...

Id say plenty if it makes them richer. Some, not all.

International football has been dying. This will be a huge blow if it happens

kerplun k · 18-04-2021 07:41PM

Adamocovic wrote: »

I think their main greed argument is referring to clubs just splitting the tv money amongst themselves rather than the rest of the footballing pyramid.

Of course there is already greed and the money should be split more evenly but this would result in them not splitting it with the others. Just amongst the teams in super league.

Yeah, but it’s more than just that, I mean, this comes from an organisation that sold a World Cup to Qatar, a county who is outright murdering people to build stadiums in time. But a breakaway European league is where Gary draws the line and goes on a passionate rant? He seems perfectly fine with his country heading off to a human rights plagued World Cup. I just wish he’d shut up about greed and docking clubs points and properly vocalise why the case for a domestic league with your strongest teams is better than a European one. There’s plenty of reason why this is a bad idea, let’s not embarrass ourselves by mentioning greed.

beakerjoe · 18-04-2021 07:41PM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

I'd love to see it, imagine it, real football against the best teams week in week out. We're big enough to be in with the big boys if this gets the go ahead and we're good enough under Ole to mix it with any of them. To be honest fcuk the likes of West brom and Burnley we deserve to be in with the best teams.

Now I've been hearing about this breakaway for years and I've no doubt that it will never happen. Needs to be backed by a large TV company ie sky sports.

Fcuk them? Fcuk every other team outside of the top six yeah?

Without the smaller teams the big teams would be far worse off.

beakerjoe · 18-04-2021 07:43PM

Exactly wrote: »

The statement from the clubs later will be interesting. I'd imagine it might be getting amended after the initial backlash or will they come out fighting.

The 'leak' was purposefully done IMO. Sent out to see which way the wind blew.

This is a leverage move. Give the clubs what the want or they walk.... I hope the EPL tells them to fcuk off.

Id rather follow another team with a better owner in the EPL than United if this happens

pjohnson · 18-04-2021 07:44PM

beakerjoe wrote: »

Id say plenty if it makes them richer. Some, not all.

International football has been dying. This will be a huge blow if it happens

This kinda thing was said at the time Klopp was being linked with the German national team.

I think people underestimate national teams a bit. Granted your Irish/Welsh/Albanian/Greek mightn't give a crap.

But the likes of the Germans/Spanish/Italians/Brazilians that may well have grown up watching Lahm/Kahn/Cassilas/Cannavaro/Cafu et al. Do they not want to emulate that and be the best in the world as those countries ACTUALLY can win.

Big Ears · 18-04-2021 07:44PM

kerplun k wrote: »

Yeah, but it’s more than just that, I mean, this comes from an organisation that sold a World Cup to Qatar, a county who is outright murdering people to build stadiums in time. But a breakaway European league is where Gary draws the line and goes on a passionate rant? He seems perfectly fine with his country heading off to a human rights plagued World Cup. I just wish he’d shut up about greed and docking clubs points and properly vocalise why the case for a domestic league with your strongest teams is better than a European one. There’s plenty of reason why this is a bad idea, let’s not embarrass ourselves by mentioning greedy owners.

Gary actually visited Qatar for a documentary on what was going on behind the scenes to hold that World cup (how workers are treated etc).

He's not okay with it, not even a little bit and tbh I think if you gave him the option of there being no World Cup and those deceased workers still being alive he'd snap your hand off !

Adamocovic · 18-04-2021 07:49PM

kerplun k wrote: »

Yeah, but it’s more than just that, I mean, this comes from an organisation that sold a World Cup to Qatar, a county who is outright murdering people to build stadiums in time. But a breakaway European league is where Gary draws the line and goes on a passionate rant? He seems perfectly fine with his country heading off to a human rights plagued World Cup. I just wish he’d shut up about greed and docking clubs points and properly vocalise why the case for a domestic league with your strongest teams is better than a European one. There’s plenty of reason why this is a bad idea, let’s not embarrass ourselves by mentioning greed.

It’s actually interesting that people are attacking Gary and his views on other things rather than what he was actually talking about today.

Fair enough if people don’t like him. Tiresome and won’t get anywhere here I imagine.

deisedevil · 18-04-2021 07:49PM

Mantis Toboggan wrote: »

I'd love to see it, imagine it, real football against the best teams week in week out. We're big enough to be in with the big boys if this gets the go ahead and we're good enough under Ole to mix it with any of them. To be honest fcuk the likes of West brom and Burnley we deserve to be in with the best teams.

Now I've been hearing about this breakaway for years and I've no doubt that it will never happen. Needs to be backed by a large TV company ie sky sports.

DAZN backing it. Could be end of Sky tv channel type situation.

RobertKK · 18-04-2021 07:50PM

https://twitter.com/EamonnRyan4/status/1383845910392627207?s=20

beakerjoe · 18-04-2021 07:52PM

deisedevil wrote: »

DAZN backing it. Could be end of Sky tv channel type situation.

Sky are in decline, their model is outdated and expensive. Ive no sympathy for them.

Its Football in general will suffer.

kerplun k · 18-04-2021 07:52PM

Big Ears wrote: »

Gary actually visited Qatar for a documentary on what was going on behind the scenes to hold that World cup (how workers are treated etc).

He's not okay with it, not even a little bit and tbh I think if you gave him the option of there being no World Cup and those deceased workers still being alive he'd snap your hand off !

Ah. I didn’t know about the documentary.
But still, his rant was very contradictory to what’s already happening in the game. I’ve never once seen him rant like that about England boycotting the World Cup, but all off a sudden now that it’s his patch that’s coming under threat, he’s going on a furious rant.

pjohnson · 18-04-2021 07:54PM

beakerjoe wrote: »

Sky are in decline, their model is outdated and expensive. Ive no sympathy for them.

Its Football in general will suffer.

I think football will be fine.

Its the breakaway franchises that would be more likely to fail/crawl back.

kippy · 18-04-2021 07:54PM

Money money money folks.
That's the ultimate goal of all of this and was from Sky 30 years ago as well.

Pity the people that continue to support this nonsense.

Support of a lot of these clubs is "tenuous" at best these days with the lack of Irish or indeed English players at this point involved.
Milking the fans for all their are worth.

Lord TSC · 18-04-2021 07:56PM

beakerjoe wrote: »

Id rather follow another team with a better owner in the EPL than United if this happens

I’d totally be down with a load of United fans here picking a “ second “ club further down the leagues for a laugh :pac:

billyhead · 18-04-2021 08:08PM

Lord TSC wrote: »

I’d totally be down with a load of United fans here picking a “ second “ club further down the leagues for a laugh :pac:

Salford are my second team.

pjohnson · 18-04-2021 08:11PM

billyhead wrote: »

Salford are my second team.

Portsmouth for me after I had an epic 14ish season Championship Manager 4 save that won them the treble twice.

irishfeen · 18-04-2021 08:13PM

I cannot believe that United are involved here, this is an absolute disgrace... this can’t be left happen by the fans.

The_Kew_Tour · 18-04-2021 08:17PM

I’m disgusted with the club today.

But can’t say I’m surprised.

Hopefully common sense comes into it.

Father Hernandez · 18-04-2021 08:17PM

irishfeen wrote: »

I cannot believe that United are involved here, this is an absolute disgrace... this can’t be left happen by the fans.

United and the Glazers were always going to be at the top of the table with this Super League.

Leeches.

Embarassed by the club but not surprised.

All_in_Flynn · 18-04-2021 08:19PM

Best way to describe today's developments for me is just sad.

I already have a difficult time reconciling the sportswashing that has infested the game but if this is followed through with, I'd find it hard to support the club anymore.

Be interesting to see what the clubs say this evening. Part of me feels like this is a power play to get the PL etc to come to the table on TV rights. Hard to see how they can force this through. Wonder if players will get involved with threat of strike action!?

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