Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

robbiezero wrote: »

Just turned on the 1 o clock news there.
Some good news, people MIGHT be allowed travel outside their counties in June.

Surely even the most dedicated lemmings won't be still heeding this nonsense by June.

I read that as “countries” for a split second. My poor heart

Donnelly has been forced to back down it seems

People under the age of 30 will not be vaccinated before people aged 30-50, Health Minister Stephen Donnelly has clarified.

It was reported yesterday that the Minister instructed Department of Health officials to examine whether vaccinating the more mobile younger cohort was worth exploring to keep overall levels of the disease down once the country reopens.

The Minister confirmed today that he had asked Deputy Chief Medical Officer Dr Ronan Glynn whether any data supported this notion.

“The short answer is no.. it certainly wasn’t floated and there is no plan in place.

“There is no plan to do this, no proposal to do this. I was just checking in with the Deputy CMO to see where the data was,” Minister Donnelly told Newstalk Radio today.

Minister Donnelly said his Department is “constantly probing” into the data behind the vaccination rollout and the profile of the disease and he was just putting a question to the Deputy CMO on the matter.

“All I was doing was checking in with the Deputy CMO to see if the data was there [to support vaccinating younger people first] and he said it wasn’t,” Minister Donnelly said.

:rolleyes:

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Donnelly has been forced to back down it seems



:rolleyes:

Looks like he is just constantly spoofing

https://twitter.com/Jennifer_Bray/status/1383739833231634435

And I think someone referred to Donnelly in another thread as being politically naive - my arse, he’s a s**t stirrer.

lawred2 wrote: »

Such a spanner

"Constantly probing" "see where the data is at" - more middle management bullshyte

In what is almost certainly the worst generation of politicians in the history of the State, Donnelly has still managed to distinguish himself as a moron of the highest order.

normanoffside wrote: »

What the conspiracy theorists here have been saying for almost a year is finally reported in a National newspaper.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mayo-coroner-questions-nphets-figures-for-covid-deaths-40326117.html

I’m going to make a prediction on this.

We will hear no update of this for about 12-18 months.
Expect it to be throughly ignored by our (so called) “journalists” .

So we shouldn't listen to Stephen Donnellys opinion on health matters because he was never a doctor but we should listen to a coroners because he was never a doctor?

Got it.

hynesie08 wrote: »

So we shouldn't listen to Stephen Donnellys opinion on health matters because he was never a doctor but we should listen to a coroners because he was never a doctor?

Got it.

Most Coroners are doctors.
One is quoted in the article if you bother to read it.

wrote:

In a report published last week, Kildare coroner Dr Denis Cusack presents evidence that 99pc of the 230 Covid-related deaths in Kildare to date had underlying conditions.

“The associated or underlying medical conditions reported in the 230 persons who died directly from Covid-19 or whose death had Covid-19 as a contributory cause were taken from the original reports to the coroner detailing clinical conditions,” Dr Cusack’s report states.

Of the 230 deaths notified, 228 (99pc) had underlying conditions: 132 (57pc) cardiovascular (including hypertension); 120 (52pc) dementia; 58 (25pc) respiratory; 36 (16pc) oncological; 30 (13pc) neurological; 25 (11pc) diabetes; and 23 (10pc) renal.

Mr O'Connor is primarily a solicitor but is also public information's officer of the Coroner's society of Ireland, hence why he is being interviewed and he is giving the views of the Coroners throughout the country.

gozunda wrote: »

Great idea. No idea why actual medical professionals didnt think of that before.

Plus its really going to sort out a lot of road death statistics and help bring them right down...

Someone got hit by a bus and killed = Road fatality?

Nah don't be daft - guy had a dicky heart and etc

you're trying way too hard now - maybe take some time off

normanoffside wrote: »

What the conspiracy theorists here have been saying for almost a year is finally reported in a National newspaper.

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/mayo-coroner-questions-nphets-figures-for-covid-deaths-40326117.html

So in 2020 we didn't record any excess death.

The deaths that are attributed to Covid are inflated, which has been obvious from the start.

Outdoor transmission is so minuscule it's risk is redundant.

Healthy people do not transmit the virus in any meaningful way.

We know we have a cohort of "experts" who are implementing a campaign of fear and anxiety in our population through all our media channels.

If at the very least, even if you believe and agree with the Governments actions, you haven't yet turned off from all the news content including the current variants narrative, then you'd want to start asking yourself some tough questions.

Windmill100000 wrote: »

You really just can't accept many people think differently to you.

Ha ha haaaa.....

You can't even point out a single thing I said that is incorrect....

Maybe it is you who can't accept people who think differently to you!!!

gozunda wrote: »

Great idea. No idea why actual medical professionals didnt think of that before.

Plus its really going to sort out a lot of road death statistics and help bring them right down...

Someone got hit by a bus and killed = Road fatality?

Nah don't be daft - guy had a dicky heart and etc

It's not unheard of. Dr Gerard Waters has been questioning whether the deaths of patients with COVID that have occurred have been a result of COVID itself. I spoke to him just as this pandemic hit Ireland, so can confirm he's held these views all along. Interesting he's been pushing for post mortems, as they would be the true test of his (and some others) stance.

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ha ha haaaa.....

You can't even point out a single thing I said that is incorrect....

Maybe it is you who can't accept people who think differently to you!!!

It is funny. Most people aren't in agreement with you. Or if they are, they aren't doing anything to bring about the change you want right now. At least I got you laughing

ypres5 wrote: »

Looks like the facts and logic posters can't even be bothered to read an article before sounding off about it, how ironic

I did, and from the Eurostat link I posted then if this coroner is correct in his assumptions, in Ireland, if not indeed the world, it appears we have been the most successful in managing this pandemic where loss of life is concerned does it not ?

TomTomTim wrote: »

This to me simply shows that these types aren't as wise or savvy as they think. Anyone with any cop on knows fine well that most social media is filled with people with very ideologically narrow views, views that often don't do too well when it comes to elections.

I'd like to think this was still true, but increasingly this social media narrative is seeping into the "real world" as policy decisions and strategies.

Whether you agree with the measures or not, the Covid responses have been hugely driven by the media and press. What would previously have been written off as crazy rants or outlandish, can go viral in hours and be picked up by mainstream outlets and repeated, simultaneously adding legitimacy to the claim, or importing issues or positions from abroad that have no place in the local society or culture.

The likes of Leo seem to live on Twitter and use it as a barometer for not only how they are perceived, but the responses to the "kite flying" they engage in. It's even more worrying when you remember that some of these current senior ministers and cabinet members have had no real-world experience at all before they entered politics.

It'll get worse as the current crop of teens and 20-somethings get into positions in the media and politics. There was a recent poll that suggested only 15% of teens can determine fact from opinion which is a frightening prospect, but also why companies and indeed Governments are putting increasing resources into social media platforms.

It's these platforms that are the biggest danger IMO. You can see it even here on this thread (which would have an older demographic generally). So many of the posts are polarised with aggressive "you're with us or against us" tones, everyone is part of a "side" (apparently you can no longer agree on one issue but completely disagree on another), easy dismissal or selective (mis)quoting of anyone they don't agree with in replies - illustrated perfectly with the "one liner attempt to be funny" response to a considered post - and selective use of sources to back up their arguments.

As I say, I can unfortunately only see this problem getting worse unless regulation is brought in over the Facebooks and Twitters of the world.