Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

It must be said aswell if the government really mean to pursue this controversial 18-30 vaccination strategy then vaccination passports surely must happen

They would be seriously naive to think the cohort of 18-30s who have breaching public health regulations having house parties are all going volunteer to get vaccinated. If a large amount of 18-30 refuse to get vaccinated this won't work but a carrot and stick approach might

is_that_so wrote: »

There is but there's an argument being made with this proposal that vaccinating the 18-30 cohort first may bring about a faster reduction in cases.

I thought we didn't care so much about cases anymore, I thought hospitalisations and deaths were the main issue when the vulnerable are covered ?

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So you're suggesting because some young people work in supermarkets they are accounting for the majority of cases???

And under 45 isn't 18-30.

Your missing the point here.

Younger age groups are currently driving the level of transmission here. Very solid data is now emerging on the impact of vaccination on transmission. By targeting where the transmission is you also protect more older people also.

There is also the economic benefit too which I'm not surprised is probably being considered.

You can read the vaccination strategy document yourself. Its been in there since day 1.

"If evidence demonstrates the vaccine(s) prevent
transmission, those aged 18-34 should be
prioritised due to their increased level of social
contact and role in transmission."

There is advantages and disadvantages should they go down this route but its definitely worth exploring as the logic behind it is quite strong. It's worth getting an opinion on from NIAC, NPHET etc

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Your missing the point here.

Younger age groups are currently driving the level of transmission here. Very solid data is now emerging on the impact of vaccination on transmission. By targeting where the transmission is you also protect more older people also.

There is also the economic benefit too which I'm not surprised is probably being considered.

You can read the vaccination strategy document yourself. Its been in there since day 1.

"If evidence demonstrates the vaccine(s) prevent
transmission, those aged 18-34 should be
prioritised due to their increased level of social
contact and role in transmission."

So vaccines are now about stopping the spread of transmission?

And I'm not missing the point about young people working in shops like you suggested.

Are you saying shops and young people are the reason for high cases?

I've worked in many places over the last few weeks and all of them have people mostly over 40 working in close proximity with no masks etc.

I don't know why you think most young people are working in these places and are more likely to catch covid.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So vaccines are now about stopping the spread of transmission?

At that stage of the programme, they might well be. We are talking about well into June anyway, not next week.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So vaccines are now about stopping the spread of transmission?

When someone starts a question with so... They've nearly always misunderstood the other person's position.

That poster you are replying to is not say vaccines are exclusively for one purpose or the other. They're saying if they impact cases by a reduction in transmission then that benefit has to be considered. It's not that the other benefits are now considered obsolete.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Great news.

Did your husband register on the portal as well when it opened?

They really do seem to be turning around with appointments very quickly

No , he is 70 so the GP rang him

Uptake could be lower in 18-30 group as many could see themselves as low risk and without carrot of vaccine passport why bother.
The risks of covid are higher to 40 and 50 somethings... seems a risky move.

Are there other cases encountered by boardsies of GPs having inaccurate patient databases?

The HSE appears to be relying on GP practices to use their databases to contact patients in the age group for a vaccination.

A family member in the 75+ group received a phonecall from the GP practice where he's been a patient for almost 40 years; only to find that it was a vaccination appointment for a different person.
Then when he asked about his own, they didn't find him and asked for his details.

So obviously I've only one case, (sort of two cases) to go on.
It does raise the question whether the minister should announce that "all over 7x's that they have records for have now been vaccinated; if you've been missed then contact your GP and as a fallback the HSE number xxx."

Most likely is that the GPs staff have fecked up an excel copy, or typos over the years. But also a chance that a small number of GP practices out of the thousands could act stupidly or badly.

(edit: checked and it wasn't a fraud call)

TheValeyard wrote: »

If this happens. Any sense of obeying restrictions or following rules is gone. If it's not already.

Any lame excuse to justify one's own actions. I guess. Do you people not want the quickest and most effective way out of this mess or not? No apparently we can't consider changing anything for the better if evidence supports it.

Bizarre fcking logic

It's impossible to support this government any more, they are staggering from one unnecessary crisis to another. All those government spokespersons sent out last week to explain why a 45 year old shop worker should be prioritised over a 20 year old teacher will now be asked this weekend to justify the reverse.

This decision could have been made months ago. On a political level it's pretty staggering incompetence to alienate the public sector unions, businesses who export, every foreign worker in the country and the entire 30 to 50 year old cohort in the space of two weeks.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I just registered via the portal .As other posters said it is user friendly and easy to manage .I did double check and triple check and check my PPS again .But thats more my issue than theirs ! I am excited now to get an appointment .My husband will be done today and they just rang to confirm that , our hearts stopped when we saw the number come up but all is well .
They are firing ahead with the 65-69 and its great to see .I now know so many neighbours ages as we are all due it and the conversations are " what age are you "? which we would never have asked before !!!!

Great stuff! I hope you get your text soon. My text was resent two hours after the first. On the portal my status is 'Awaiting appointment'.

Turtwig wrote: »

Any lame excuse to justify one's own actions. I guess. Do you people not want the quickest and most effective way out of this mess or not? No apparently we can't consider changing anything for the better of evidence supports it.

Bizarre fcking logic

Yeah Bizarre logic. Where the plan keeps changing.
There is no quick or effective way out of this. Whole thing has turned into a shambles.

hmmm wrote: »

It's impossible to support this government any more, they are staggering from one unnecessary crisis to another. All those government spokespersons sent out last week to explain why a 45 year old shop worker should be prioritised over a 20 year old teacher will now be asked this weekend to justify the reverse.

This decision could have been made months ago. On a political level it's pretty staggering incompetence to alienate the public sector unions, businesses who export, every foreign worker in the country and the entire 30 to 50 year old cohort in the space of two weeks.

The original NIAC publication last year, the UKs JCVI equivalent all had mentioned this possibility. If transmission can be suppressed at a faster rate you have to consider it.

The decision was made months ago to keep this option on the table - in many countries.

km79 wrote: »

Last year
Months ago

We were told a few weeks ago that medical advice has changed and MUST be followed

Has it changed again ?
Simple question for Donnelly and Martin to clarify

Don't worry when supply ramps up in March and April it won't really matter