Home charge points (purchase/problems/questions) (See mod note post#1)

the_amazing_raisin · 16-04-2021 10:12AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The gardners will have their own views on it as well.
He said he had 2.2v charging. I don't know why he couldn't step it up to 3.7 with a 16amp plug.

I think the granny lead with the ID.3 is rated for 10A

He could use the Metron cable with a converter to 16A single phase, but I guess he had 3 phase to begin with so why not use it.

He did say he got the charger for free, which I guess was the Metron charger

MagicBusDriver1 · 17-04-2021 08:48AM

I bought a Model 3 and am looking for a charger. Has anyone got experience of the Electric Ireland EO Mini for €899 pre grant installed? What is the quality of the work like? I think they are installed by KN Networks.

Gumbo · 17-04-2021 09:59AM

MagicBusDriver1 wrote: »

I bought a Model 3 and am looking for a charger. Has anyone got experience of the Electric Ireland EO Mini for €899 pre grant installed? What is the quality of the work like? I think they are installed by KN Networks.

Cyrus in here got it.
It’s a great neat little charger.

deadlast · 17-04-2021 10:47AM

MagicBusDriver1 wrote: »

I bought a Model 3 and am looking for a charger. Has anyone got experience of the Electric Ireland EO Mini for €899 pre grant installed? What is the quality of the work like? I think they are installed by KN Networks.

Where do you see that deal? Would you have a link please. Cheapest I see on their site is €1099.

MagicBusDriver1 · 17-04-2021 11:10AM

deadlast wrote: »

Where do you see that deal? Would you have a link please. Cheapest I see on their site is €1099.

If you ring them, they have the EO mini non-pro charger for €899 for the tethered

podge3 · 17-04-2021 12:50PM

Is an earth rod needed for any installs in the ROI?

It seems to be a subject of dispute in the UK, depending on the particular make and model of EVSE.

whodeeny · 17-04-2021 01:56PM

MagicBusDriver1 wrote: »

I bought a Model 3 and am looking for a charger. Has anyone got experience of the Electric Ireland EO Mini for €899 pre grant installed? What is the quality of the work like? I think they are installed by KN Networks.

Going through a bit of a mare getting EI to install the mini pro 2 here. They can't give me a straight answer on whether the 1099 price includes solar compatiblity. They also came out initially, told me I needed the ESB to install an isolator in the meter box for them to proceed. I did that (cost €130 to the ESB) l. Then they cancelled the day before their electrician was to come back to do the charger install. Apparently they can't install from the meter yet because they are working on updating terms and conditions between KN group and electric Ireland. Could be a month or more before they got that sorted out.

Considering cancelling my order, pissed off that I wasted 130 quid to the ESB for the isolator when I had 2 other electricians quote for the job and neither of them asked for an isolator to be put in.

But they were far cheaper then anyone else who quoted, by at least 200 quid.

Patmwgs · 17-04-2021 04:01PM

whodeeny wrote: »

Going through a bit of a mare getting EI to install the mini pro 2 here. They can't give me a straight answer on whether the 1099 price includes solar compatiblity. They also came out initially, told me I needed the ESB to install an isolator in the meter box for them to proceed. I did that (cost €130 to the ESB) l. Then they cancelled the day before their electrician was to come back to do the charger install. Apparently they can't install from the meter yet because they are working on updating terms and conditions between KN group and electric Ireland. Could be a month or more before they got that sorted out.

Considering cancelling my order, pissed off that I wasted 130 quid to the ESB for the isolator when I had 2 other electricians quote for the job and neither of them asked for an isolator to be put in.

But they were far cheaper then anyone else who quoted, by at least 200 quid.

I went with the sync ev charger for £500 +vat from uk, it also has solar integration, rcbo and no need for earth rod.

Gumbo · 17-04-2021 04:06PM

podge3 wrote: »

Is an earth rod needed for any installs in the ROI?

It seems to be a subject of dispute in the UK, depending on the particular make and model of EVSE.

Not at the moment I believe.

slave1 · 17-04-2021 04:17PM

Patmwgs wrote: »

I went with the sync ev charger for £500 +vat from uk, it also has solar integration, rcbo and no need for earth rod.

Why would you pay UK VAT if it was for immediate export (unless this was pre-Brexit)?

Patmwgs · 17-04-2021 04:21PM

slave1 wrote: »

Why would you pay UK VAT if it was for immediate export (unless this was pre-Brexit)?

If you want to avoid custom charges you need an adress in the north, you then have to pay the vat, also if you are not vat registered.

whodeeny · 17-04-2021 04:59PM

Patmwgs wrote: »

I went with the sync ev charger for £500 +vat from uk, it also has solar integration, rcbo and no need for earth rod.

Grand until you add the 400-500 quid that electricians are quoting to install it!

podge3 · 17-04-2021 11:05PM

After a lot of research, I've come to the conclusion that the most cost effective EVSE is the Ohme.

I initially dismissed the Ohmes because they don't look all that great but I'll build a timber box or something to hide it.

I just got a used example from eBay for about €210 delivered, inclusive of customs. I only wish to use it as a dumb charger but was surprised to see the UK IOT SIM works here also so I have full smart control. The SIM coverage may not last but I'm not too concerned.

From my research, the commando, type 2 and wall mounted units are effectively all the same but with a different plug.

You can buy one from Ohmes Irish website for €450, although the price increased to €615 when I tried to buy🙄.

Patmwgs · 22-04-2021 10:21AM

Got the sync ev charger installed, it will churn out 7.4 kw a little more than most. I turned on electric shower to see the reaction and it throttled back to 6.5 input.
Fingers crossed its reliable.

graememk · 22-04-2021 09:24PM

Patmwgs wrote: »

Got the sync ev charger installed, it will churn out 7.4 kw a little more than most. I turned on electric shower to see the reaction and it throttled back to 6.5 input.
Fingers crossed its reliable.

they all supply 32amps,
If your voltage is 220v you'll get 7.04kw

If your voltage is 240v you'll get 7.68kw.

Charge points are just control circuitry for the car, and a beefy contactor that enables the power when everything is ready.

WayneEnterprise · 29-04-2021 11:28PM

Update on charger grant timeline:

Application sent: 8th March
Acknowledgement received: 10th March
Notification of payment: 29th April

So just a day over 7 weeks. Happy out.

slave1 · 30-04-2021 06:57AM

I suggest folk follow up their grant applications, I did and got mine in 3 weeks, there’s no need for a simple paperwork review to take 7 weeks even if WFH.

whodeeny · 30-04-2021 07:17AM

KCross wrote: »

Are you not already on a day/night meter? With a HP and an EV you should have a day/night meter already and that’s free to get. You don’t need a smart meter for that.

As I understand it, the smart meter will add a 3rd time period to the current two time periods. I think initially the idea is to add a 5-7pm tariff. If they go with that you can change your HP an EV timers to avoid that time period. You don’t need to wait for smart meters though. You should be on a day/night meter right now and Solar PV is a separate decision.

There is also the possibility that current Solar grants will get reduced when they bring in FiT so waiting might not help there either. Have a look at the Renewable Energy forum to get an idea of costs and generation figures etc.

Good luck either way.

Some interesting extra info people might find useful. I'm on a smart meter and have always been on 24hr rate. Just got an EV and installed home charger. Wanted to change my electric plan to energia's EV plan with day/night rate (night rate is 5c/kWh or close to that). Energia told me that my new smart meter can't do the old day/night rate and I can only go onto the new smart meter tarrifs or else their 24hr standard tarrif. The new smart tarrifs have significantly higher night rates (closer to 10c/kWh) and also a peak rate from 5-7pm. So in summary, the new smart meter that's being touted as better for customers actually looks like it will work out more expensive and include peak rates...

graememk · 30-04-2021 08:31AM

whodeeny wrote: »

Some interesting extra info people might find useful. I'm on a smart meter and have always been on 24hr rate. Just got an EV and installed home charger. Wanted to change my electric plan to energia's EV plan with day/night rate (night rate is 5c/kWh or close to that). Energia told me that my new smart meter can't do the old day/night rate and I can only go onto the new smart meter tarrifs or else their 24hr standard tarrif. The new smart tarrifs have significantly higher night rates (closer to 10c/kWh) and also a peak rate from 5-7pm. So in summary, the new smart meter that's being touted as better for customers actually looks like it will work out more expensive and include peak rates...

Yup, most of us have been saying that since smart meter tariffs were announced.

I have a large solar setup, and I havent run the numbers yet, but I'm not sure a feed in tariff would cover the increased night rate, for my usage.

Patmwgs · 30-04-2021 08:35AM

whodeeny wrote: »

Some interesting extra info people might find useful. I'm on a smart meter and have always been on 24hr rate. Just got an EV and installed home charger. Wanted to change my electric plan to energia's EV plan with day/night rate (night rate is 5c/kWh or close to that). Energia told me that my new smart meter can't do the old day/night rate and I can only go onto the new smart meter tarrifs or else their 24hr standard tarrif. The new smart tarrifs have significantly higher night rates (closer to 10c/kWh) and also a peak rate from 5-7pm. So in summary, the new smart meter that's being touted as better for customers actually looks like it will work out more expensive and include peak rates...

Madness. And the esb said that when they set it up for day night rate that it cannot be reversed. And could take up to 12 months.

WayneEnterprise · 30-04-2021 08:39AM

slave1 wrote: »

I suggest folk follow up their grant applications, I did and got mine in 3 weeks, there’s no need for a simple paperwork review to take 7 weeks even if WFH.

Their SLA is 4-6 weeks so I wouldn’t go hassling them. You’ll get the money.

slave1 · 30-04-2021 09:09AM

Wasn't hassling them at all, just a courtuous use of their chat facility, all good, any missing documents etc

slave1 · 30-04-2021 09:13AM

whodeeny wrote: »

Some interesting extra info people might find useful. I'm on a smart meter and have always been on 24hr rate. Just got an EV and installed home charger. Wanted to change my electric plan to energia's EV plan with day/night rate (night rate is 5c/kWh or close to that). Energia told me that my new smart meter can't do the old day/night rate and I can only go onto the new smart meter tarrifs or else their 24hr standard tarrif. The new smart tarrifs have significantly higher night rates (closer to 10c/kWh) and also a peak rate from 5-7pm. So in summary, the new smart meter that's being touted as better for customers actually looks like it will work out more expensive and include peak rates...

This is why we should be careful letting the ESB put these in, in the early days they were saying it was mandatory which in BS after some folk said no.
They will know a lot about you, a lot of privacy issues, see the Data Commissioner and Dail comments in this.
Also, you lose night rate and will get pumped from 5pm to 7pm, see the way it went on UK.
As above, I'm a PV owner but even if I get paid for exporting to the grid it's likely not worth it, they'll give you pennies with one hand and take pounds with the other.

Gumbo · 30-04-2021 09:16AM

slave1 wrote: »

I suggest folk follow up their grant applications, I did and got mine in 3 weeks, there’s no need for a simple paperwork review to take 7 weeks even if WFH.

It just depends on time frame and build up.
I got mine 2 years ago within 21 days from sending it in.

This year took 2 months due to WFH, ESB approval etc
It’s a process and it fluctuates too.

Interestingly I lodged my paperwork for my PV grant this week so be interesting to see how long that takes.

whodeeny · 30-04-2021 09:20AM

Patmwgs wrote: »

Madness. And the esb said that when they set it up for day night rate that it cannot be reversed. And could take up to 12 months.

Yeah the energia guy was saying the ESB wouldn't be installing day/night smart meters for another year - which I didn't understand at all. Surely the smart meter reads electricity usage and when its used, why on earth would you need hardware updates to become a "day/night smart meter". Does that even exist?

Anyway, pretty annoyed about it, feels very much like an excuse to price hike being rolled out under the guise of "smart/eco".

If I'm stuck with the smart tarrifs I'll probably end up going with electric Ireland night boost plan, has 5c/kWh for 2 hrs in the middle of the night and try to cram as much into the EV then.

Patmwgs · 30-04-2021 09:39AM

Thats what i hope to do also. I have an old smart meter with a modem that the esb said is cabable of taking three readings daily for day night and maybe tariffs, but electric ireland said its not suitable. Im on a list to change it.
There 2 hour boost with home charger will top you up about 14kwh on its own. The whole smart meter is farsicle.

whodeeny · 30-04-2021 10:41AM

Patmwgs wrote: »

Thats what i hope to do also. I have an old smart meter with a modem that the esb said is cabable of taking three readings daily for day night and maybe tariffs, but electric ireland said its not suitable. Im on a list to change it.
There 2 hoir boost with home charger will top you up about 14kwh on its own. The whole smart meter is farsicle.

Energia day/night rate will probably work out cheaper for you if they allow you to go on it with your meter, as you get the 5c night right for 7-8 hrs instead of only 2.

slave1 · 30-04-2021 10:42AM

whodeeny wrote: »

.. feels very much like an excuse to price hike being rolled out under the guise of "smart/eco".
..

That's it exactly

Patmwgs · 30-04-2021 10:49AM

whodeeny wrote: »

Energia day/night rate will probably work out cheaper for you if they allow you to go on it with your meter, as you get the 5c night right for 7-8 hrs instead of only 2.

I think energias prices went up, and they wont do it for me either.

slave1 · 30-04-2021 11:01AM

Patmwgs wrote: »

I think energias prices went up, and they wont do it for me either.

8.9% earlier this month

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