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Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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  • #5042
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    People do not support it, it’s economically catastrophic, it’s diplomatically disastrous and anyone that supports imprisoning people now as the vaccine is being rolled out need to own up to their true ideologies of destroying the Ireland as we know it.
    Plenty support it. They have no jobs which are dependent on travel, they have no clue how the country generates income & they couldn't care less about people who find themselves required to travel at short notice. Many of them don't care because it's only "foreigners" who are affected (in their view) - it's obvious how quiet many of the anti-lockdown groups are when it comes to travel restrictions.


  • #5043
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    TheTruth21 wrote: »
    There was a poll on Claire Byrne recently and over 90% said they agreed with it

    Support of what though?

    In support of current MHQ with no transparency, no clarity around criteria for inclusion, and one that prioritises exemptions for “elite” sports players over everything else?

    It’s easy to support MHQ when it doesn’t effect you and you’ve been in lockdown for 6+ months.

    Will those same people support putting confirmed cases and close contacts in detention facilities too, akin to what zero covid medical “experts” want?

    The only country in the EU with MHQ. Read the room lads


  • #5044
    Blut2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,350 ✭✭✭Blut2


    The poll on Claire Byrne's show was of her audience...it wasn't in any way, shape, or form a legitimate representation of the views of the electorate.

    I could have a poll of the members of my household and offer up the results of that - 100% in favour of removing MHQ - with almost as much statistical legitimacy.


  • #5045
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,774 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    hmmm wrote: »
    Plenty support it. They have no jobs which are dependent on travel, they have no clue how the country generates income & they couldn't care less about people who find themselves required to travel at short notice. Many of them don't care because it's only "foreigners" who are affected (in their view) - it's obvious how quiet many of the anti-lockdown groups are when it comes to travel restrictions.


    Of course they support it. That doesn't mean it can't be modified as we go on.


  • #5046
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    is_that_so wrote: »
    FG are the only ones against it as a policy.
    Did they not vote for it:)


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  • #5047
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    People do not support it, it’s economically catastrophic, it’s diplomatically disastrous and anyone that supports imprisoning people now as the vaccine is being rolled out need to own up to their true ideologies of destroying the Ireland as we know it.
    Look at any poll in the last few months and there was overwhelming support for it, why do you think the govt brought it in, because it was unpopular:)


  • #5048
    TheTruth21
    Site Banned Posts: 71 ✭✭TheTruth21


    Blut2 wrote: »
    The poll on Claire Byrne's show was of her audience...it wasn't in any way, shape, or form a legitimate representation of the views of the electorate.

    I could have a poll of the members of my household and offer up the results of that - 100% in favour of removing MHQ - with almost as much statistical legitimacy.

    Prime Tiime also had one and it had similar results to Claire Byrne.

    Its here and should be extended to all countries. I still cant visit my parents who are across the country and some gob****es getting botox done is free to come and go as they please, do me a favour


  • #5049
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,774 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    TheTruth21 wrote: »
    Prime Tiime also had one and it had similar results to Claire Byrne.

    Its here and should be extended to all countries. I still cant visit my parents who are across the country and some gob****es getting botox done is free to come and go as they please, do me a favour


    Careful now! You'll only anger the anti-MHQ crowd.


  • #5050
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Careful now! You'll only anger the anti-MHQ crowd.

    With all due respect Saabx2, while I disagree with your views I’ve respected your perspective. However the past couple of days you’ve taken a turn and seem to be taking all this rather personal

    Seems like you need a holiday. Somewhere sunny? :p

    The room isn’t split between pro and anti MHQ btw, it’s ok to be somewhere in between. Same goes for pro and anti travel.


  • #5051
    ShadowTech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    TheTruth21 wrote: »
    Prime Tiime also had one and it had similar results to Claire Byrne.

    Its here and should be extended to all countries. I still cant visit my parents who are across the country and some gob****es getting botox done is free to come and go as they please, do me a favour

    So because the government won't let you see your parents because of ridiculous distance restrictions you support a policy that clearly makes life worse for a lot of people in this country? Maybe you should be angry at the government instead of lashing out with straw men. For all the noise made about "gob****es getting botox" the reality is that this policy is an onerous burden on the literally hundreds of thousands of immigrants living in this country who periodically have valid reasons to travel.


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  • #5052
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,011 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Blut2 wrote: »
    The poll on Claire Byrne's show was of her audience...it wasn't in any way, shape, or form a legitimate representation of the views of the electorate.

    I could have a poll of the members of my household and offer up the results of that - 100% in favour of removing MHQ - with almost as much statistical legitimacy.

    I'd say she'd have a fair slice of the sane and rational people in the country listening to her


  • #5053
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,774 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    ShadowTech wrote: »
    So because the government won't let you see your parents because of ridiculous distance restrictions you support a policy that clearly makes life worse for a lot of people in this country? Maybe you should be angry at the government instead of lashing out with straw men. For all the noise made about "gob****es getting botox" the reality is that this policy is an onerous burden on the literally hundreds of thousands of immigrants living in this country who periodically have valid reasons to travel.


    We all have valid reasons to travel doesn't mean we should.


  • #5054
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,774 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    faceman wrote: »
    With all due respect Saabx2, while I disagree with your views I’ve respected your perspective. However the past couple of days you’ve taken a turn and seem to be taking all this rather personal

    Seems like you need a holiday. Somewhere sunny? :p

    The room isn’t split between pro and anti MHQ btw, it’s ok to be somewhere in between. Same goes for pro and anti travel.


    I would love a holiday but not now. Bye the way some have been making more personal attacks here to quote just one example..


    'Report him as he will continue to pollute the thread with misinformation which many will take at face value and many will have to spend much time disentangling truth from misinformation'


  • #5055
    ShadowTech
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 187 ✭✭ShadowTech


    saabsaab wrote: »
    We all have valid reasons to travel doesn't mean we should.

    Caring for a family member would generally fall under the category of "essential" even within the current travel restrictions within the country. Creating financial difficulties for people in the same position who must travel abroad to do so is discriminatory at best. Furthermore a number of posters here attempt to present all travel as "tourism" which is a transparent attempt to downplay the seriousness of this awful policy.


  • #5056
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Looks like we’ll see detail of the exemption system pretty soon. From IT.

    “New regulations to put the exemption system in place may be signed as soon as Friday evening, or over the weekend. The system may be adjusted as more universally recognised ways of verifying vaccinations across different jurisdictions, such as the European Digital Green Certificate, come on-stream.”


  • #5057
    Aph2016
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Aph2016


    So we're the only country in Europe to close construction, and the only country in Europe to bring in MHQ. The government are really trying their best to ruin the economy.


  • #5058
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    So we're the only country in Europe to close construction, and the only country in Europe to bring in MHQ. The government are really trying their best to ruin the economy.
    Didn't Britain bring this in or did I imagine it:)


  • #5059
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,774 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    Didn't Britain bring this in or did I imagine it:)


    Yes they did.


  • #5060
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    Didn't Britain bring this in or did I imagine it:)

    They left the EU.


  • #5061
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    Look at any poll in the last few months and there was overwhelming support for it, why do you think the govt brought it in, because it was unpopular:)

    There hasn’t been any meaningful debate for it.

    If the q was : do you support the Catholic Church using their resources to help out poor single mothers with babies- well who wouldn’t support that????

    Everybody wants to reduce covid, and on first inspection forcing people to quarantine doesn’t sound so bad. But if people knew the true story they wouldn’t support it.


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  • #5062
    UDAWINNER
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 860 ✭✭✭UDAWINNER


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    They left the EU.
    But still in Europe which is what I was quoting


  • #5063
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,477 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    A couple of reminders

    Act civilly towards each other or do not post

    If you feel it necessary to report something then please do so - do not state you have done in thread - it's for mods to decide on any action required, not you so leave the modding to the mods

    A number of off topic posts deleted


  • #5064
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    UDAWINNER wrote: »
    But still in Europe which is what I was quoting

    Yes but I think there is a cross over in this conversation with Europe as in the continent with Europe as in the EU.


  • #5065
    votecounts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,638 ✭✭✭votecounts


    ,


  • #5066
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    NI is introducing MHQ when flights resume from outside the common travel area for anyone who was in a red listed country. 10 days in Hotel.


  • #5067
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    faceman wrote: »
    Have you read any of them?

    Why would I waste my time looking for unspecified studies that claim border controls don't work, while living in a country with zero-Covid due to border controls?


  • #5068
    VeryWise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭VeryWise


    This is a great example of the mess you get when you don’t have a strategy. I see three sort of strategic approaches

    1). Zero covid or zero new variants
    2) Minimal restrictions
    3) some risk based approach in the middle

    I think we were aiming for 3 for a long time but now are flirting with 1 but don’t really want to commit to it, exempting athletes, not tracking and tracing etc. plus isolating domestic cases. Ultimately it means MHQ will be painful and achieve nothing. If you spent half this effort on test and trace you would cut the spread of far more cases. I think Donnelly just got desperate because everyone saw he was doing a terrible job and he just went for the biggest, loudest bang action that he expected to be popular.

    If he wanted my advice PCR test all arrivals, no additional restrictions if negative. MHQ for no test or a positive case. Antigen test everyone in Ireland that wants one over a week, PCR test the positives and enforce home quarantine for them. Reopen almost everything and repeat once a month. If a significant minority refuse mandatory antigen tests then make them mandatory for entry to bars shops etc.


  • #5069
    maestroamado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭maestroamado


    We are the laughing stock in Europe in all of this, quite a lot of countries have this 2 week system already listing what is the rules for the two weeks immediately ahead, i have travelled and there is an boarding-pass type document that is scanned.
    I read this morning that 1.3% of confirmed cases are associated with International travel and more than 17% locally transmitted and these are HSE figures.
    Where is the best Medical advise to have quarantine in hotels if these figures are correct...


  • #5070
    beggars_bush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,011 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Yes they did.

    And now NI
    Looks like we were ahead of the curve because you cannot trust people to actually isolate at home for 10 days


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  • #5071
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,676 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Why would I waste my time reading peer reviewed academic and scientific studies that are in the public domain that would educate me on travel ban and MHQ effectiveness when I can just spout opinion without being able to back it up?

    FYP


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