Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

So only Mid-West and South-East are not considered high risk.


Ireland – the regions Mid-West and South-East are no longer considered as risk areas.

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/ReiseUndSicherheit/irlandsicherheit/211460

Inward travel to Germany with quarantine which is not mandatory hotel quarantine is permitted. You continue to misinform.

BobbyBolivia

saabsaab wrote: »

BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-55999678


Some here don't like inconvenient facts getting in the way of their arguments.

Why are you linking this embarrassing study and pretending like you have just checkmated everyone?

caveat emptor

BobbyBolivia wrote: »

Why are you linking this embarrassing study and pretending like you have just checkmated everyone?

Why did South Africa sell their vaccine then?

Why are UK worried about it.

Honestly don't believe all you want.

BobbyBolivia

caveat emptor wrote: »

Why did South Africa sell their vaccine then?

Why are UK worried about it.

Honestly don't believe all you want.

I don't know why other governments make decisions. With over 50,000 deaths to date in South Africa I would not be looking at their government as any entity to invoke to score points. I would honestly be embarrassed if my position relied upon the South African governments judgement to support it.



The study you linked had a truly embarassingly low sample size, and also found that the vaccine prevented severe illness and death against the variant. The study had not been peer reviewed.

mmclo

is_that_so wrote: »

They've already responded to it and the government now have ten days to reply. It's not as if this reaction couldn't have been predicted if they insisted on tacking on more EU countries to the red list.




https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0416/1210274-coronavirus-ireland-quarantine/

True but it's a long way short of infringement procedure, all I'm saying is these things can take a long time as we can see in a number of other cases, even Apple is under lengthy appeal.

https://www.friendsoftheirishenvironment.org/fie-work/17804-eu-complaint-over-irish-water-quality-upgraded-after-9-years

The Govt is more than likely thinking that too, they just want to get to September. They may take EU countries off the list of course, it's more politics than law

Even infringement actions are not so unusual https://www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/38-eu-actions-against-ireland-last-year/

faceman

caveat emptor wrote: »

But they are not gone and have been extended. The vast majority of people who live in Ireland are legally not allowed to enter Germany. Further more airlines are breaking the law there if the transport them.

Why the misinformation?

You realise that the German approach would solve all the current issues and justify ending MHQ.

No one is disputing the need to temporarily quash tourism. The people travelling at the moment aren’t tourists.

The other thing is travel bans, as multiple studies over the past year show us, do not prevent covid. They delay it by a period of 3-5 weeks. The most dominant strain in Spain is the U.K. variant. Travel from the U.K. to Spain has been banned since December.

OwenM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Why did South Africa sell their vaccine then?

Why are UK worried about it.

Honestly don't believe all you want.

Because they did a small trial that showed reduced efficacy against mild and moderate covid disease. It's not logical but it is why, and that illogical action has caused endless speculation and assumption and worry. Astrazeneca was shown to prevent severe disease and death in that study, go figure.

fly_agaric

saabsaab wrote: »

Volumes are important the more people coming in the harder to test, re-test, track and trace. Reduce the volumes coming in especially air traffic.

True. We cannot contact trace properly anyway because as far as I understand 1) there isn't the resources available to do it and 2) even if there were, data protection/privacy rights would need to be set aside to allow public health investigate outbreaks fully (maybe bigger can of worms than this hotel quarantine).

I don't expect that will change now.

If the contact tracers just get stonewalled when asking questions (as I'd imagine could happen quite often given the answers could be embarrassing) or peoples' memories fail them, that is it.

timmyntc

Vaccines dont always give you 100% immunity, but they still give you some immunity.

I got measles despite having my MMR vaccine - do I think the vaccine was a waste? Of course not.


Studies showing that people with 1 dose got sick is hardly the variant evading vaccines. Plenty of people with 1 dose get sick with the mainstream variant we have, but its not newsworthy.

saabsaab

fly_agaric wrote: »

True. We cannot contact trace properly anyway because as far as I understand 1) there isn't the resources available to do it and 2) even if there were, data protection/privacy rights would need to be set aside to allow public health investigate outbreaks fully (maybe bigger can of worms than this hotel quarantine).

I don't expect that will change now.

If the contact tracers just get stonewalled when asking questions (as I'd imagine could happen quite often given the answers could be embarrassing) or peoples' memories fail them, that is it.

Reinforces the case for MHQ.

hotmail.com

a_squirrelman wrote: »

What's more shocking is that the left are totally on board with it.

The Left in Ireland (PBP, Socialist Party etc) are traditionally anti EU.

So them and the far right delighted with this growing separation from the EU.

More worrying is that the public support it.

faceman

faceman wrote: »

The other thing is travel bans, as multiple studies over the past year show us, do not prevent covid.

Did these studies just ignore the countries where it worked?

a_squirrelman

hotmail.com wrote: »

The Left in Ireland (PBP, Socialist Party etc) are traditionally anti EU.

So them and the far right delighted with this growing separation from the EU.

More worrying is that the public support it.

And Soc Dems, Labour and Sinn fein? They're all for MHQ.

normanoffside

Deleted User wrote: »

Caveat Emptor should be treated in the spirit of his Username. Trust absolutely nothing he says when deliberating on a topic.

Here is the guidance for entering Germany current as of three and a half hours ago:
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Transport/Archiv_Risikogebiete/Risikogebiete_aktuell_en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile

Half of Ireland and all of the UK can enter Germany with no requirements to quarantine at all.

is_that_so

a_squirrelman wrote: »

And Soc Dems, Labour and Sinn fein? They're all for MHQ.

FG are the only ones against it as a policy.

JustAThought

normanoffside wrote: »

Half of Ireland and all of the UK can enter Germany with no requirements to quarantine at all.

Yeah - look at the social problems let aline the health problems they have with their open acccess strategy - certainly not something I’d like here. We can’t even promise healthcare to our own let alone find ICU beds for europe.

France currently has a street lockdown curfew - Indias covid infections are running according to the BBC at a new million every two weeks - we should have put serious reateixtions on anyone entering or re-entering the country without a covid test months ago. My neighbours brazillian aupairs are flitting in and out since Christmas - it’s a total farce.

normanoffside

caveat emptor wrote: »

So only Mid-West and South-East are not considered high risk.


Ireland – the regions Mid-West and South-East are no longer considered as risk areas.

https://www.auswaertiges-amt.de/de/ReiseUndSicherheit/irlandsicherheit/211460

No, South west was already on the safe list. South East and Mid west have been added.
That's half of the country on the safe list and if travelling from the other half you have to quarantine at home.

JustAThought

normanoffside wrote: »

No, South west was already on the safe list. South East and Mid west have been added.
That's half of the country on the safe list and if travelling from the other half you have to quarantine at home.

Another unregulated ‘do as you please’ joke.

hotmail.com

a_squirrelman wrote: »

And Soc Dems, Labour and Sinn fein? They're all for MHQ.

They aren't left wing in my eyes. They're in the centre.

But yes those parties support this internment system.

CruelSummer

JustAThought wrote: »

Yeah - look at the social problems let aline the health problems they have with their open acccess strategy - certainly not something I’d like here. We can’t even promise healthcare to our own let alone find ICU beds for europe.

France currently has a street lockdown curfew - Indias covid infections are running according to the BBC at a new million every two weeks - we should have put serious reateixtions on anyone entering or re-entering the country without a covid test months ago. My neighbours brazillian aupairs are flitting in and out since Christmas - it’s a total farce.

What does this mean? Before mandatory quarantine, you were required to have a negative pcr test to enter Ireland and if you didn’t, you’d to go to mandatory quarantine for a minimum of 5 days pending covid test results.
Or are you just annoyed your neighbours have a Brazilian au pair, would you prefer if all people currently working in Ireland from different countries have no access to their families and home countries unless they pay 2k extra per mandatory quarantine stay.
Not to mention the millions of irish abroad who might get screwed in the diplomatic rows that will inevitably arise from this absolute joke of a MHQ system.

TheTruth21

hotmail.com wrote: »

The Left in Ireland (PBP, Socialist Party etc) are traditionally anti EU.

So them and the far right delighted with this growing separation from the EU.

More worrying is that the public support it.

Of course the people support it. Anything to try keep numbers down.

If these people arriving into Ireland are upset over 14 days hotel quarantine, wait until someone tells them about Direct Provision or families living in hotel rooms and b+bs for alot longer than 14 days

CruelSummer

TheTruth21 wrote: »

Of course the people support it. Anything to try keep numbers down.

If these people arriving into Ireland are upset over 14 days hotel quarantine, wait until someone tells them about Direct Provision or families living in hotel rooms and b+bs for alot longer than 14 days

People do not support it, it’s economically catastrophic, it’s diplomatically disastrous and anyone that supports imprisoning people now as the vaccine is being rolled out need to own up to their true ideologies of destroying the Ireland as we know it.

a_squirrelman

TheTruth21 wrote: »

Of course the people support it. Anything to try keep numbers down.

If these people arriving into Ireland are upset over 14 days hotel quarantine, wait until someone tells them about Direct Provision or families living in hotel rooms and b+bs for alot longer than 14 days

We all know about DP and homelessness!! It's possible to be against mulitple things!! It has nothing to do with MHQ and those comparing them are utter morons.

NSAman

TheTruth21 wrote: »

Of course the people support it. Anything to try keep numbers down.

If these people arriving into Ireland are upset over 14 days hotel quarantine, wait until someone tells them about Direct Provision or families living in hotel rooms and b+bs for alot longer than 14 days

Define "these people"?

I am an irish citizen and I am ALLOWED to come back to my home without any infringement on my liberty.

Direct Provision is for those claiming political asylum.

I support keeping numbers down, but currently, those numbers are caused by people within Ireland not using the safe protocols.

As someone else said, this is damaging to Ireland, investment wise, family wise and on an international scale.

Valhallapt

TheTruth21 wrote: »

Of course the people support it. Anything to try keep numbers down.

If these people arriving into Ireland are upset over 14 days hotel quarantine, wait until someone tells them about Direct Provision or families living in hotel rooms and b+bs for alot longer than 14 days

Not at all costs. Getting to zero covid would be great. But a decade of youth unemployment, an extended recession, a mental health epidemic, cancer survival rates halved, suicide rates through the roof..... so not at any cost, all decisions have consequences. MHQ has damaging unintended side effects, including jeopardising our place at the heart of the single market, jeopardising USA investment. Not to mention the number of people who have family abroad may just get fed up of this place, leave and never come back. Ireland is a complete outlier from MHQ point of view.

faceman

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Did these studies just ignore the countries where it worked?

Have you read any of them?

JustAThought

JustAThought wrote: »

Another unregulated ‘do as you please’ joke.

Incidence rate for my locality is 75 per 100000.
Achieved without mandatory hotel quarantine closing the borders to the country.

Tyrone212

is_that_so wrote: »

FG are the only ones against it as a policy.

They're literally apart of the government which implemented it.

TheTruth21

CruelSummer wrote: »

People do not support it, it’s economically catastrophic, it’s diplomatically disastrous and anyone that supports imprisoning people now as the vaccine is being rolled out need to own up to their true ideologies of destroying the Ireland as we know it.

There was a poll on Claire Byrne recently and over 90% said they agreed with it

beggars_bush

TheTruth21 wrote: »

There was a poll on Claire Byrne recently and over 90% said they agreed with it

Anyone I've spoken to about it is in favour of it.
And these are people going out to work everyday, many in frontline jobs