Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Degag · 15-04-2021 05:37PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has warned that anyone who refuses an AstraZeneca vaccine will have to go to the back of the queue and wait until the entire population is vaccinated to be offered an alternative.

Rightfully so too.

Turtwig · 15-04-2021 05:43PM

Leftwaffe wrote: »

Just listening to Drivetime, how true is it that the AstraZeneca vaccine is only 10% effective against the SA variant? I refuse to believe that. It’s been taken as fact on the radio just now.

It's an estimate with a ridiculous degree of uncertainty. Kingston Mills, Staines and a few others have quoted it without an context or explanation.

For example, the authors intended to preliminary analyse AZ in South Africa. Due to the urgency of the pandemic they accelerated the dosing intervals. For the purposes of what they wished to study this was fine. The problem is people reporting on it rarely mention it. By analogy you want to study how effective a drug is but never give anyone the regular prescribed dose. Then your results show the drug doesn't work. Do you suddenly start telling everyone the drug is useless?

Degag · 15-04-2021 05:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's not desirable, it's essential.

For example in Galway there is one MVC (at the racecourse). This is where the 60s to 69s will be done. For people in some parts of Connemara this will mean a 100+ mile round trip. They won't all have cars/drive. There is very limited public transport, any public transport will drop someone in the city and there's another 30 min trip out to the racecourse. You can't just tell these people, here's your slot, take it or leave it. As another poster said that kind of attitude is completely counterproductive.

I don't particularly think that it's essential but it would obviously be good to have a certain amount of flexibility alright. Certainly in relation to isolated people that you mentioned.

However the vaccine should be everyone's priority bar pretty much anything else. If someone can't make it because they are booked to go out to the Canaries for the week they should go to the bottom of the list IMO.

darem93 · 15-04-2021 05:44PM

My Mam got a last minute call from her GP this afternoon asking can she go and get the vaccine. I'm so happy for her, she was delighted.

josip · 15-04-2021 05:48PM

Degag wrote: »

I don't particularly think that it's essential but it would obviously be good to have a certain amount of flexibility alright. Certainly in relation to isolated people that you mentioned.

However the vaccine should be everyone's priority bar pretty much anything else. If someone can't make it because they are booked to go out to the Canaries for the week they should go to the bottom of the list IMO.

There's a lot more going on in people's lives than a week in the Canaries.
Many people may not be able to make an appointment due to work or family commitments.

Degag · 15-04-2021 06:00PM

josip wrote: »

There's a lot more going on in people's lives than a week in the Canaries.
Many people may not be able to make an appointment due to work or family commitments.

It should come before the majority of work or family commitments IMO.

lukas8888 · 15-04-2021 06:12PM

Degag wrote: »

Rightfully so too.

Says all the under sixties and over seventies.

is_that_so · 15-04-2021 06:14PM

Degag wrote: »

Rightfully so too.

Coveney repeated it again later on the COVID Show(Claire Byrne).

astrofool · 15-04-2021 06:16PM

Godot. wrote: »

We should query the UK to ask if they fancy swapping some of their Pfizer supply for our AstraZeneca stockpile. .

We should ask Boris if he'll take some of the "British" vaccine in a swap for the "German" vaccine and see if he refuses :pac:

Jim Gazebo · 15-04-2021 06:18PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Tánaiste Leo Varadkar has warned that anyone who refuses an AstraZeneca vaccine will have to go to the back of the queue and wait until the entire population is vaccinated to be offered an alternative.

Is that not the equivalent of forcing a vaccine on someone? I don't think people should be refusing but no one should have to be uncomfortable getting it for fear of some punishment, like being put to last in the queue.

is_that_so · 15-04-2021 06:31PM

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Is that not the equivalent of forcing a vaccine on someone? I don't think people should be refusing but no one should have to be uncomfortable getting it for fear of some punishment, like being put to last in the queue.

Nobody can choose their vaccine, that's a HSE call. Most people seem happy to take what they are offered. A national programme can't wait for people to make up their minds and it needs to move on to the next person. If people don't want it now when might they want it?

ACitizenErased · 15-04-2021 06:31PM

Pfizer CEO told CNBC people will likely need a third dose of a COVID19 vaccine within 12 months of getting fully vaccinated.

ACitizenErased · 15-04-2021 06:33PM

26,000 69 year olds registered today so far

Strazdas · 15-04-2021 06:34PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

26,000 69 year olds registered today so far

That's a great start for the portal.

SJFly · 15-04-2021 06:35PM

It's not punishing. It's just take it or leave it. No one can pick and choose, that would lead to massive delays in the rollout. Everyone is being offered a vaccine that is effective and safe for them. If you don't want it, then sit it out until everyone else has their turn.

TomOnBoard · 15-04-2021 06:37PM

Champagne Sally wrote: »

My husband got the call this morning from his GP, he's 50 with type 2 diabetes and he'll be vaccinated first dose of Pfizer end of next week. We're in Wicklow.
I am so relieved

Delighted for him and you.

However, in my 60+ circle, I have numerous ppl with Type-2 Diabetes. Not one has been called for a vaccine..

KrustyUCC · 15-04-2021 06:39PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Pfizer CEO told CNBC people will likely need a third dose of a COVID19 vaccine within 12 months of getting fully vaccinated.

A yearly top up so?

iamwhoiam · 15-04-2021 06:39PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Delighted for him and you.

However, in my 60+ circle, I have numerous ppl with Type-2 Diabetes. Not one has been called for a vaccine..

It depends on the result of Hba1c

stephenjmcd · 15-04-2021 06:40PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

A yearly top up so?

Could be, they still don't know.

It's all being monitored as part of the follow up on trial participants. 6 months in there isn't much change in anti body levels so far.

It's a wait and see really.

Could end up like the flu vaccine that older people would be recommended to get yearly but still too early to say

is_that_so · 15-04-2021 06:42PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

A yearly top up so?

Probably some may need it. One line of thinking on the SARS-CoV-2 virus is that it will eventually become like the flu'.

JTMan · 15-04-2021 06:45PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Pfizer CEO told CNBC people will likely need a third dose of a COVID19 vaccine within 12 months of getting fully vaccinated.

More indications that boosters are likely to occur. Interesting that the timeframe is "within 12 months" and I wonder if that implies boosters later this year.

It is good to hear that the EU are talks to purchase up to 1.8 billion more doses of Pfizer-Biontech over the next two years. At least some planning is occurring for the boosters.

Turtwig · 15-04-2021 06:57PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

A yearly top up so?

Possibly it'll largely depend on what the virus is doing. Probably while the pandemic is raging worldwide yearly will be wiser to keep pace. Hopefully though once the pandemic is well under control a booster every 5 to 10 years would suffice.

TomOnBoard · 15-04-2021 07:03PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

It depends on the result of Hba1c

OK. so, it's basically 'out of control' Type-2 that would trigger a call, rather than simply Type-2 per se? If so, that makes sense. Thanks for clarification.

iamwhoiam · 15-04-2021 07:08PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

OK. so, it's basically 'out of control' Type-2 that would trigger a call, rather than simply Type-2 per se? If so, that makes sense. Thanks for clarification.

Yes basically . Two members of my family are very controlled Type 1 diabetics
They are in cohort 7 because they look after themselves !!

is_that_so · 15-04-2021 07:08PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Possibly it'll largely depend on what the virus is doing. Probably while the pandemic is raging worldwide yearly will be wiser to keep pace. Hopefully though once the pandemic is well under control a booster every 5 to 10 years would suffice.

If the work on other types pf therapeutics continues apace we may not even need that.

TomOnBoard · 15-04-2021 07:13PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Could be, they still don't know.

It's all being monitored as part of the follow up on trial participants. 6 months in there isn't much change in anti body levels so far.

It's a wait and see really.

Could end up like the flu vaccine that older people would be recommended to get yearly but still too early to say

I can't imagine how we can get away from annual (or more frequent) boosters to deal more with variants/mutations that will be hounding the 1st World for years to come, than with a decline in efficacy over time, given that folks in 2nd & 3rd World countries are not likely to have anything like the same level of access to vaccines.

This plague will be with us for years and will change in virulance and transmissability ov er time as ever-stronger strains survive and propagate. Hopefully, between updated vaccines, some controls on international travel and possibly most crucial, impeoved treatments for the effects of resultant disease, we will learn to live with it.

ACitizenErased · 15-04-2021 07:14PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I can't imagine how we can get away from annual (or more frequent) boosters to deal more with variants/mutations that will be hounding the 1st World for years to come, than with a decline in efficacy over time, given that folks in 2nd & 3rd World countries are not likely to have anything like the same level of access to vaccines.

This plague will be with us for years and will change in virulance and transmissability ov er time as ever-stronger strains survive and propagate. Hopefully, between updated vaccines, some controls on international travel and possibly most crucial, impeoved treatments for the effects of resultant disease, we will learn to live with it.

Coronavirus is nothing like the flu, mutates much slower. Thus, vaccinations don't need to be annual. Cillian de Gascun reckons it'll be a once every three years sorta job.

Micky 32 · 15-04-2021 07:21PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Coronavirus is nothing like the flu, mutates much slower. Thus, vaccinations don't need to be annual. Cillian de Gascun reckons it'll be a once every three years sorta job.

Unfortunately some love dwelling on the misery of this possible restrictions continuing indefinitely, maybe it makes them feel relevent on the forums or something. Lets keep the restrictions going in between jabs eh :rolleyes:

TomOnBoard · 15-04-2021 07:25PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Coronavirus is nothing like the flu, mutates much slower. Thus, vaccinations don't need to be annual. Cillian de Gascun reckons it'll be a once every three years sorta job.

Seriously? Within the 1st year, have we not had multiple variants? I'm thinking of

Original Wuhan
Kent variant
South African variant
Brazil variant
Possible Breton variant
Possible Creteil variant
B.1.427 and B.1.429 in California
...

crossman47 · 15-04-2021 07:27PM

Jim Gazebo wrote: »

Is that not the equivalent of forcing a vaccine on someone? I don't think people should be refusing but no one should have to be uncomfortable getting it for fear of some punishment, like being put to last in the queue.

Its not punishment, its a consequence of refusing what you are offered.

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