Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

saabsaab · 15-04-2021 04:34PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

I'm surprised you responded, if I'd said something so disgusting I'd be logging off and hoping people forgot. Also, if I was Italian I'd have been getting the hell out of dodge too with the completely horrific scenes in Bergamo. I suppose no one else was travelling then either were they?

That's exactly the problem your attitude and others like you. 'getting out of dodge' is spreading it everywhere else and the opposite of what should be done as in sit tight.

yoshimitsu · 15-04-2021 04:35PM

saabsaab wrote: »

The Italian record isn't great on Covid.

the Irish one is spotless...

titan18 · 15-04-2021 04:36PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It may be out of step. It doesn't mean it's wrong..

https://twitter.com/andrewflood/status/1382717364878385162?s=20

You have no idea if that 2.2% caught covid in quarantine though. Some of them easily could have.

saabsaab · 15-04-2021 04:38PM

yoshimitsu wrote: »

the Irish one is spotless...

I never said that.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 15-04-2021 04:43PM

saabsaab wrote: »

That's exactly the problem your attitude and others like you. 'getting out of dodge' is spreading it everywhere else and the opposite of what should be done as in sit tight.

My attitude? I'm not the one making light of the deaths of thousands of people in Italy. What kind of person makes the statement you made above. If you want a reaction, why not just insult me, I can take it, but saying something like that is bang out of order.

caveat emptor · 15-04-2021 04:46PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

I'm sure the Manchester Evening Standard is a top notch publication, I would put a lot of trust in what they reported.

And what was the rest of the world doing? Very easy to point the finger of blame at a bunch of people that were experiencing something completely new and unknown on this side of the world. So that article is all that stuck with you from the Italian response? Not the images from inside hospitals in Bergamo, with people dying in corridors? Some people just have no decency.

I've had quite a few posts about Italy over the past year.
Mainly supportive and informing people of what was going on there.
But yeah no decency.

The Italian Embassy has a right to protest these measures but we are a sovereign nation and we don't have to listen to them.

We didn't get involved with their questionable foreign policy decisions in the past.

Can't really accuse me of hindsight either.

Tazz T · 15-04-2021 04:49PM

That Italian guy is right. Our response is disproportional. Hopefully the EU cert will sort this all out.

China isn't part of the EU, so...

Although I note that Greece are going to accept vaxxed US tourists from next week (despite being just coming over the peak of their third wave). If only we had a plan for restarting the tourism industry in Ireland instead of introducing MHQ.

saabsaab · 15-04-2021 04:53PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

My attitude? I'm not the one making light of the deaths of thousands of people in Italy. What kind of person makes the statement you made above. If you want a reaction, why not just insult me, I can take it, but saying something like that is bang out of order.

I didn't make light of it and I don't insult people. I was right then as was proved and am convinced i am right now.

saabsaab · 15-04-2021 04:55PM

Tazz T wrote: »

That Italian guy is right. Our response is disproportional. Hopefully the EU cert will sort this all out.

China isn't part of the EU, so...

Although I note that Greece are going to accept vaxxed US tourists from next week (despite being just coming over the peak of their third wave). If only we had a plan for restarting the tourism industry in Ireland instead of introducing MHQ.

We should ignore him their track record on Covid is poor.

caveat emptor · 15-04-2021 04:57PM

titan18 wrote: »

You have no idea if that 2.2% caught covid in quarantine though. Some of them easily could have.

Maybe so. That would just go to show how contagious it is.

Tazz T · 15-04-2021 05:02PM

saabsaab wrote: »

We should ignore him their track record on Covid is poor.

By that rationale, we should ignore everything our own government says too.

yoshimitsu · 15-04-2021 05:04PM

saabsaab wrote: »

We should ignore him their track record on Covid is poor.

Define poor? Not stopping a team/fans from traveling 14 months ago when the pandemic wasnt even called that?

So one can say the track record in healthcare is poor in Ireland (false smear test results anyone?) so we should ignore anything any Irish ever says pertaining healthcare from now to eternity.

you're a balanced individual alright...

saabsaab · 15-04-2021 05:12PM

yoshimitsu wrote: »

Define poor? Not stopping a team/fans from traveling 14 months ago when the pandemic wasnt even called that?

So one can say the track record in healthcare is poor in Ireland (false smear test results anyone?) so we should ignore anything any Irish ever says pertaining healthcare from now to eternity.

you're a balanced individual alright...

It was a big mistake it was obvious what was happening. Our systems were slow but are doing their best.

ZX7R · 15-04-2021 05:14PM

saabsaab wrote: »

It was a big mistake it was obvious what was happening. Our systems were slow but are doing their best.

The hole your digging is getting deeper and deeper.

saabsaab · 15-04-2021 05:18PM

ZX7R wrote: »

The hole your digging is getting deeper and deeper.

Have you something constructive to say?

zebastein · 15-04-2021 05:19PM

saabsaab wrote: »

It was a big mistake it was obvious what was happening. Our systems were slow but are doing their best.

If there is a mistake it is a mistake from Ireland to let them in, not from Italy to let them out. The consequences were for Ireland, no impact on Italy, and almost no country prevent the population on an outbound flight. So if I follow your logic, Ireland's track record is poor, so ... I am not even sure what is the conclusion in your logic and how it relates to what is happening in 2021.

Ireland is doing their best, not preventing entry from Poland or India but blocking Italy. If that's their best, I don't want to see their worst.

ZX7R · 15-04-2021 05:23PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Have you something constructive to say?

I did ,you responded to it.
Hindsight is remarkable really in regards to the way you regard Italy's original response to covid.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 15-04-2021 05:24PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

I've had quite a few posts about Italy over the past year.
Mainly supportive and informing people of what was going on there.
But yeah no decency.

Informative yes, I really can't see what is supposed to be supportive about it. Have you ever actually been there? Do you know many Italians?

caveat emptor · 15-04-2021 05:27PM

ZX7R wrote: »

I did ,you responded to it.
Hindsight is remarkable really in regards to the way you regard Italy's original response to covid.

Hindsight is remarkable alright. How were they to know. I do kind of take umbrage with the Italian Ambassador Lecturing us on discrimination.
It's a global pandemic and people should only be travelling for essential reasons.

He's the representative of a state that had some controversial laws regarding discrimination. Again hindsight is 2020.

saabsaab · 15-04-2021 05:30PM

ZX7R wrote: »

I did ,you responded to it.
Hindsight is remarkable really in regards to the way you regard Italy's original response to covid.

Italy didn't learn from the first wave see below. My post show that it is not hindsight.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4279

ZX7R · 15-04-2021 05:34PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Hindsight is remarkable alright. How were they to know. I do kind of take umbrage with the Italian Ambassador Lecturing us on discrimination.
It's a global pandemic and people should only be travelling for essential reasons.

He's the representative of a state that had some controversial laws regarding discrimination. Again hindsight is 2020.

Sad when you have to compair a person ,to a part of there history that they had no control over.
And a part that the people at the time had little to no control over.
Are you really trying to say he is a fascist....

ZX7R · 15-04-2021 05:35PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Italy didn't learn from the first wave see below. My post show that it is not hindsight.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4279

I read it on the other thread.
You could prity much insert any country into it.

saabsaab · 15-04-2021 05:37PM

ZX7R wrote: »

I read it on the other thread.
You could prity much insert any country into it.

Well the article is about Italy. They are in no position to lecture us.

zebastein · 15-04-2021 05:38PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Italy didn't learn from the first wave see below. My post show that it is not hindsight.

https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4279

Did Ireland learn from the first wave when they were the worst country in the world in January ? Going from <200 to 2000 people in hospital in a month time ? Or is it good enough when it is Ireland because they do their best, but bad when it is foreign country ?

jellies · 15-04-2021 05:40PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Hindsight is remarkable alright. How were they to know. I do kind of take umbrage with the Italian Ambassador Lecturing us on discrimination.
It's a global pandemic and people should only be travelling for essential reasons.

He's the representative of a state that had some controversial laws regarding discrimination. Again hindsight is 2020.

Pathetic

caveat emptor · 15-04-2021 05:41PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Sad when you have to compair a person ,to a part of there history that they had no control over.
And a part that the people at the time had little to no control over.
Are you really trying to say he is a fascist....

Where did I say that? He is accusing the Irish state of being discriminatory.
Maybe as someone said here he should think before he speaks.

Discrimination is still a major problem in Italy ask Mario Balotelli.

I like Italy but it's probably the most racist place I've ever been.

In the 55th minute of last Sunday’s match, Brescia footballer Mario Balotelli decided he had heard enough. Taunted by a chorus of monkey chants from fans of the opposing Verona team, the 29-year-old who is one of Italy’s best known sportsmen opted to hoof the ball into the stands, forcing the referee to halt the game.

The racial abuse suffered by Mr Balotelli, born in Sicily to Ghanaian parents and the first black player to represent Italy’s national football team at a big tournament, was a depressingly familiar sight to followers of Italian football.

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While racist incidents have long plagued Italian football, the political reaction to the Balotelli incident has reignited a domestic debate about public prejudice and integration at a time when support for Matteo Salvini’s anti-migration League party has surged to make it the most popular in Italy.

saabsaab · 15-04-2021 05:42PM

zebastein wrote: »

Did Ireland learn from the first wave when they were the worst country in the world in January ? Going from <200 to 2000 people in hospital in a month time ? Or is it good enough when it is Ireland because they do their best, but bad when it is foreign country ?

Not restricting travel was a big mistake here at Christmas. Bad when a foreign country lectures us and they are not in any position to do so.

fm · 15-04-2021 05:47PM

ZX7R wrote: »

Sad when you have to compair a person ,to a part of there history that they had no control over.
And a part that the people at the time had little to no control over.
Are you really trying to say he is a fascist....

Lucky Germany aren't on the MHQ list, there's loads of history there to dig up

Wallander · 15-04-2021 05:48PM

The French government is also applying pressure, while the European Commission has asked Ireland to clarify its quarantine criteria:

https://twitter.com/ShonaMurray_/status/1382718003708579844

saabsaab · 15-04-2021 05:50PM

Wallander wrote: »

The French government is also applying pressure, while the European Commission has asked Ireland to clarify its quarantine criteria:

https://twitter.com/ShonaMurray_/status/1382718003708579844

They also shouldn't lecture us.

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