Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

Graham · 15-04-2021 12:30PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Services such as hairdressers and barbers will reopen in May, but most likely later than May 4th, he added.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/those-who-refuse-astrazeneca-will-go-to-back-of-vaccine-queue-varadkar-says-1111757.html

We're likely to a month behind for hairdressers alone

I don't think they'll be any outdoor dining in May either

I've no doubt it will be phased over the month.

Where was the outdoor dining thing announced?

15-04-2021 12:30PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Yeah. I’m getting ready to see all the science they’ll be throwing at us to justify climate lockdown. You know the science that consists of polar bears slipping off the ice into the water.
It’s all real cause and effect stuff (i.e 2020 science all over again)

Yes, it'll be the exact same as what's going on now: scientists who disagree or hold an alternative view will be dismissed and ignored.

Just look at these predictions: https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

But none of this is new. One reads the following in The Limits To Growth:

"In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself."

daydorunrun · 15-04-2021 12:35PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Northern Ireland lowering restrictions announced today at 3pm
Includes actual dates (remember them!)

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23 April

Close contact services, hairdressers and beauty salons, reopen.
Outdoors visitors attractions reopen.
Driving lessons resume, as do theory and practical driving tests.
Outdoor competitive sport will be allowed with numbers not exceeding 100. No spectators allowed.
Equine assisted learning and therapy can take place outdoors, limited to 10 people.

30 April

All remaining non-essential retail to reopen.
Self-contained tourist accommodation, such as caravans and rented holiday homes, can operate.

10 May

Licensed and unlicensed premises can serve customers in outdoors settings in groups of six from no more than two householders.
Removal of curfews on takeaways and off-licences.
Reopening of gyms.

14 May

Wedding receptions and post-burial events can take place in indoor hospitality venues, limited to 30 people.
Limit on outdoor gatherings in domestic gardens increased to 15 people from no more than three households.

Not before 1 June

Licensed and unlicensed premises can operate indoors.
Hotels reopen.
Domestic mixing allowed in indoor settings.
Indoors visitor attractions reopen.
Return of indoor group exercise, with numbers limited to suit the size of venue.
———————————————————-

Already have a golf outing arranged myself for next month.
Brilliant to see this.
I hope it causes a terrible headache for pro-lockdown fans and the government

Damn you.....I scanned that quickly and got excited not realising it was referring to da North:(

KrustyUCC · 15-04-2021 12:36PM

Graham wrote: »

I've no doubt it will be phased over the month.

Where was the outdoor dining thing announced?

They're hardly going to keep calling it level 5 in May

That would be ridiculous

Level 4 has outdoor dining so unless they do the same BS of Level 4+ then outdoor dining should be back in May

They'll run a mile from that though and kick to touch for another month

big syke · 15-04-2021 12:38PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Northern Ireland lowering restrictions announced today at 3pm
Includes actual dates (remember them!)

——————————————————
23 April

Close contact services, hairdressers and beauty salons, reopen.
Outdoors visitors attractions reopen.
Driving lessons resume, as do theory and practical driving tests.
Outdoor competitive sport will be allowed with numbers not exceeding 100. No spectators allowed.
Equine assisted learning and therapy can take place outdoors, limited to 10 people.

30 April

All remaining non-essential retail to reopen.
Self-contained tourist accommodation, such as caravans and rented holiday homes, can operate.

10 May

Licensed and unlicensed premises can serve customers in outdoors settings in groups of six from no more than two householders.
Removal of curfews on takeaways and off-licences.
Reopening of gyms.

14 May

Wedding receptions and post-burial events can take place in indoor hospitality venues, limited to 30 people.
Limit on outdoor gatherings in domestic gardens increased to 15 people from no more than three households.

Not before 1 June

Licensed and unlicensed premises can operate indoors.
Hotels reopen.
Domestic mixing allowed in indoor settings.
Indoors visitor attractions reopen.
Return of indoor group exercise, with numbers limited to suit the size of venue.
———————————————————-

Already have a golf outing arranged myself for next month.
Brilliant to see this.
I hope it causes a terrible headache for pro-lockdown fans and the government

I fail to see any logical reason why we cannot mirror all but the final set of easing.

niallo27 · 15-04-2021 12:41PM

Graham wrote: »

I've no doubt it will be phased over the month.

Where was the outdoor dining thing announced?

Exactly, your finally realising these clowns have no plan in place and are just winging it, you took your time.

Graham · 15-04-2021 12:49PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Exactly, your finally realising these clowns have no plan in place and are just winging it, you took your time.

That's a very poor way of saying there's been no specific mention that outdoor dining will be excluded.

15-04-2021 01:01PM

dalyboy wrote: »

I hope it causes a terrible headache for pro-lockdown fans and the government

Yawn

15-04-2021 01:02PM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Nice contrast to Varadkar this morning

Services such as hairdressers and barbers will reopen in May, but most likely later than May 4th, he added.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/those-who-refuse-astrazeneca-will-go-to-back-of-vaccine-queue-varadkar-says-1111757.html

We're likely to a month behind for hairdressers alone

I don't think they'll be any outdoor dining in May either

Imagine being a month behind a place with are a month behind in vaccinations and case decline, outrageous

dalyboy · 15-04-2021 01:07PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes, it'll be the exact same as what's going on now: scientists who disagree or hold an alternative view will be dismissed and ignored.

Just look at these predictions: https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/

But none of this is new. One reads the following in The Limits To Growth:

"In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself."

I really hope I’m wrong but if this climate lockdown thing gathers momentum we are in deep sh1t.
The covid lockdowns were a dress rehearsal for the big lockdowns of the future.

Totally agree with you about the opposing scientific voices being bashed with labels like “far right” “trump lover” etc.

Just look no further than what this manipulative scum did to the career of David Bellamay back in the late 90’s. He called all this out for the junk science that it is and was destroyed by louder voices in which can only be called none other than a cabal.

Very worrying that they have a voice and spells never ending lockdown for everyone .

paddyisreal · 15-04-2021 01:09PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Imagine being a month behind a place with are a month behind in vaccinations and case decline, outrageous

Our government will change fairly quickly in the next few days, when the North adopt this plan. Imagine lads driving to the North to buy a pair of socks ffs. I expect a very similar paln to the North to be revealed with everything about 2 weeks lag

dalyboy · 15-04-2021 01:11PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Yawn

Headaches make people tired eh ?

W123-80's · 15-04-2021 01:14PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Northern Ireland lowering restrictions announced today at 3pm
Includes actual dates (remember them!)

——————————————————
23 April

Close contact services, hairdressers and beauty salons, reopen.
Outdoors visitors attractions reopen.
Driving lessons resume, as do theory and practical driving tests.
Outdoor competitive sport will be allowed with numbers not exceeding 100. No spectators allowed.
Equine assisted learning and therapy can take place outdoors, limited to 10 people.

30 April

All remaining non-essential retail to reopen.
Self-contained tourist accommodation, such as caravans and rented holiday homes, can operate.

10 May

Licensed and unlicensed premises can serve customers in outdoors settings in groups of six from no more than two householders.
Removal of curfews on takeaways and off-licences.
Reopening of gyms.

14 May

Wedding receptions and post-burial events can take place in indoor hospitality venues, limited to 30 people.
Limit on outdoor gatherings in domestic gardens increased to 15 people from no more than three households.

Not before 1 June

Licensed and unlicensed premises can operate indoors.
Hotels reopen.
Domestic mixing allowed in indoor settings.
Indoors visitor attractions reopen.
Return of indoor group exercise, with numbers limited to suit the size of venue.
———————————————————-

Already have a golf outing arranged myself for next month.
Brilliant to see this.
I hope it causes a terrible headache for pro-lockdown fans and the government

How could this possibly cause a terrible headache for the government?
We won't be far behind them in the restrictions listed above easing. Probably in the region of 4 weeks.

The final date with the huge Not Before June 1 caveat built in is the one of real interest. If they reach that target on June 1st, I'd expect we wont be far behind.

Our vaccination programme is slower and we have less people vaccinated.
As has been pointed out on this thread previously everything is a moving target and entirely dependent on numbers vaccinated, vaccine efficacy and variants.

There is nothing that concerns me about the Norths plan.
They have more people vaccinated and are moving tentatively forward with easing of restrictions.
Same as us, albeit at a slower pace due to a lack of vaccines.

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 01:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's telling that Johnson and Hancock won't rule out future lockdowns when the UK has either reached, according to a UCL model, or is surely close to reaching herd immunity. And The Coronavirus Act has been extended until September.

Trudeau in Canada said the other day that vaccines "aren't enough to keep us safe". Donohue is saying restrictions until well into 2022. Same was said in Scotland and in Northern Ireland a few months ago. Australia is saying the border mightn't reopen post-vaccination, and there's no level 0 in the 'living with covid plan'. And we increasingly hear talk of 'a degree of normality' and 'a semblance of normality'. Level 1 would be 'a semblance of normality'.

What is uncomfortable about all this is

Lock Downs have never been attempted for so many countries for so long ever in history.

They began in lock step across the developed world in March of last year, when we thought the virus was much deadlier than it turned out to be.

These lock downs have created huge human suffering on a scale never seen before and created potentially the biggest economic crisis in 100 years.

12 months later, we are 4 months into a Global Vaccination Program that will involve a Vaccination Passport of some description, for a virus that is not as deadly as we all thought.

The science would suggest that viruses mutate (variants) and lose their veracity as they do...which we have seen for as long as anyone can remember...which should see this virus lose it's potency even further over the coming years as we collect natural human immunity.

But 12 months later we are being told by Leaders across the world that mass vaccine programs and vaccine passports won't be enough to return to normal.

We are expected to ignore the fact that, theraputics, public health promotions, Vit D, rapid testing are all seemingly a waste of time.

We are also expected to accept that the ridiculous hysteria that has been rammed down our throats on a daily basis is somewhat justified and that anyone who doesn't engage in this hysteria is not given the same exposure on media.

Ya....don't be surprised if we see mass public unrest in the coming years.

15-04-2021 01:14PM

dalyboy wrote: »

Headaches make people tired eh ?

All this positive news on extra pfizer vaccines, the effectiveness of vaccines, the restrictions easing through may towards level 3 is really getting me down. I sincerely wish we were staying in lockdown forever and case numbers would just stay high enough to allow that.

Is that the thoughts you want to put into the mouths of those who never said anything of the sort?

arccosh · 15-04-2021 01:18PM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Ahh now let’s face it... you got a little bit pedantic cause I used the word “extended

It wasn't actually, it was your misunderstanding of how an SI functions and your claim of doing law which just completely didn't align...

A bit like a mechanic not knowing what breaks are.

gozunda · 15-04-2021 01:21PM

JRant wrote: »

Just because there's a pandemic doesn't give the government carte blanche to do whatever they like. It is supposed to be a proportional response. Even the health act that they are using states that. Proportional should mean as the risk goes down our civil liberties should be returned. That's not happening and if anything they are becoming more draconian.

I see you mentioned that screenings etc were cancelled to reduce the risk for those that were cocooning. That's a complete paradox though. All it does is move the risk from one type of disease to another, seemingly with no plan on when or how they can get back to a proper level of healthcare for non COVID illnesses.

Jaysus Cristi! All that on the back of something which was never said in the first place :rolleyes:

Well maybe just maybe its because that RISK is still there.

It hasn't gone away. Its been managed by those restrictions you believe are somehow "carte blanche". If you think otherwise look at the sh!tshow that is going on in the health services in Germany and France with rapidly rising case numbers.

But whaaaaa I must have my 'civil liberties' nowwww!

The fact is until we have the bulk of people vaccinated- restrictions are not going to be abandoned just because you don't want to play ball with the rest of us.

And yes treatments which were temporarily suspended are starting again exactly because our rate of infection is now low. They take priority to personal demands to be allowed do what you like.

But sure that's probably 'draconian' too ..

15-04-2021 01:22PM

dalyboy wrote: »

I really hope I’m wrong but if this climate lockdown thing gathers momentum we are in deep sh1t.
The covid lockdowns were a dress rehearsal for the big lockdowns of the future.

Totally agree with you about the opposing scientific voices being bashed with labels like “far right” “trump lover” etc.

Just look no further than what this manipulative scum did to the career of David Bellamay back in the late 90’s. He called all this out for the junk science that it is and was destroyed by louder voices in which can only be called none other than a cabal.

Very worrying that they have a voice and spells never ending lockdown for everyone .

I think they were. But the good news that we can avoid a climate lockdown, according to Mariana Mazzucato: https://www.wbcsd.org/Overview/Panorama/Articles/Avoiding-a-climate-lockdown

All we have to is "overhaul our economic structures and do capitalism differently". That's a pretty reasonable thing to suggest.

15-04-2021 01:25PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

What is uncomfortable about all this is

Lock Downs have never been attempted for so many countries for so long ever in history.

They began in lock step across the developed world in March of last year, when we thought the virus was much deadlier than it turned out to be.

These lock downs have created huge human suffering on a scale never seen before and created potentially the biggest economic crisis in 100 years.

12 months later, we are 4 months into a Global Vaccination Program that will involve a Vaccination Passport of some description, for a virus that is not as deadly as we all thought.

The science would suggest that viruses mutate (variants) and lose their veracity as they do...which we have seen for as long as anyone can remember...which should see this virus lose it's potency even further over the coming years as we collect natural human immunity.

But 12 months later we are being told by Leaders across the world that mass vaccine programs and vaccine passports won't be enough to return to normal.

We are expected to ignore the fact that, theraputics, public health promotions, Vit D, rapid testing are all seemingly a waste of time.

We are also expected to accept that the ridiculous hysteria that has been rammed down our throats on a daily basis is somewhat justified and that anyone who doesn't engage in this hysteria is not given the same exposure on media.

Ya....don't be surprised if we see mass public unrest in the coming years.

You're right. But all of what you wrote is constantly dismissed as a "conspiracy theory". Most governments in the Western world all doing the exact same thing, saying the exact same thing, making the same mistakes and so on, and to even question it is to be a 'conspiracy theorist'.

15-04-2021 01:29PM

gozunda wrote: »

Jaysus Cristi! All that on the back of something which was never said in the first place :rolleyes:

Well maybe just maybe its because that RISK is still there.

It hasn't gone away. Its been managed by those restrictions you believe are somehow "carte blanche". If you think otherwise look at the sh!tshow that is going on in the health services in Germany and France with rapidly rising case numbers.

But whaaaaa I must have my 'civil liberties' nowwww!

The fact is until we have the bulk of people vaccinated- restrictions are not going to be abandoned just because you don't want to play ball with the rest of us.

And yes treatments which were temporarily suspended are starting again exactly because our rate of infection is now low. They take priority to personal demands to be allowed do what you like.

But sure that's probably 'draconian' too ..

No guarantee they'll be abandoned post-vaccination. Vaccinations on their own aren't enough, according to Trudeau: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/14657015/justin-trudeau-bizarre-claim-3rd-wave-canadian-cases-soar/

"vaccinations on their own are not enough to keep us safe”

Juwwi · 15-04-2021 01:29PM

dalyboy wrote: »

The covid lockdowns were a dress rehearsal for the big lockdowns of the future .

Good God have people just lost the plot .
So this is all a trial run is it ?

I suppose all your imaginary Pro Lockdown people enjoying this will be happy about the "Big Lockdown " to look forward to .

Captain_Crash · 15-04-2021 01:30PM

arccosh wrote: »

It wasn't actually, it was your misunderstanding of how an SI functions and your claim of doing law which just completely didn't align...

A bit like a mechanic not knowing what breaks are.

Haha! Right so

15-04-2021 01:32PM

Juwwi wrote: »

Good God have people just lost the plot .
So this is all a trial run is it ?

I suppose all your imaginary Pro Lockdown people enjoying this will be happy about the "Big Lockdown " to look forward to .

The idea has been floated:

https://www.wbcsd.org/Overview/Panorama/Articles/Avoiding-a-climate-lockdown

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/03/03/report-world-needs-equivalent-of-pandemic-lockdown-every-two-years-to-meet-paris-carbon-emission-goals/?sh=611307676dee

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1334816/climate-change-rules-lindsay-hoyle-G7

And the World Economic Forum tweeted a few months ago that lockdowns were improving cities: https://spectator.com.au/2021/02/the-world-economic-forum-lockdowns-are-improving-cities-around-the-world/

If they're improving city life then why dispense with them?

Penfailed · 15-04-2021 01:34PM

Chivito550 wrote: »

I'm sick of hearing about a "4th wave". How long do they plan on counting waves for? It's like 4th cousins - people stop counting cousins after second, third at a stretch.

Pure sceptic sh1te this is.

To be honest, the only place I'm hearing about it is in this thread.

15-04-2021 01:37PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The idea has been floated:

https://www.wbcsd.org/Overview/Panorama/Articles/Avoiding-a-climate-lockdown

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/03/03/report-world-needs-equivalent-of-pandemic-lockdown-every-two-years-to-meet-paris-carbon-emission-goals/?sh=611307676dee

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1334816/climate-change-rules-lindsay-hoyle-G7

And the World Economic Forum tweeted a few months ago that lockdowns were improving cities: https://spectator.com.au/2021/02/the-world-economic-forum-lockdowns-are-improving-cities-around-the-world/

If they're improving city life then why dispense with them?

A series of articles talking about how we may need to look at alternative ways to achieve the positive environmental impacts of lockdown is evidence that permanent lockdown is a goal?

Silentcorner · 15-04-2021 01:38PM

Penfailed wrote: »

To be honest, the only place I'm hearing about it is in this thread.

So why aren't we opening up?

gozunda · 15-04-2021 01:41PM

drkpower wrote: »

There is very little new in all of that, but a few short points:
1. The mantra was what the authorities suggested; the deal was our compliance to achieve the mantra.

No the authorities asked that the vulnerable cocoon, that restrictions be observed to help keep down the rate of infection whilst our health care services continued to cope with treating those that became seriously ill with covid. The majority paid heed to that. Some didn't.

drkpower wrote: »

2. Again, case numbers are of little significance; we don’t focus on case numbers of any other infectious disease; we focus on morbidity and mortality, and hospitalisations/deaths are the more accurate proxy for same

What is known and accepted in relation to Covid-19 that rising case numbers means that there will a corresponding increase in the numbers being hospitalised. That was evident here in January. It is now evident in France and Germany.

drkpower wrote: »

3. The global pandemic will be ongoing for a long time, and will then convert to endemic cv19; are you suggesting severe restrictions (level 3-5) until the global pandemic is over? If so, when do you think it will be over.

I'd disagree. Covid may indeed hang around. However the pandemic will come to an end when vaccinations goals are achieved. Thereafter it will be another disease managed by an annual vaccination. Btw where did I state anything about restrictions being around for a long time? And for when will it be over - as detailed most likley when we have the majority vaccinated

15-04-2021 01:45PM

Deleted User wrote: »

A series of articles talking about how we may need to look at alternative ways to achieve the positive environmental impacts of lockdown is evidence that permanent lockdown is a goal?

The first article describes what a climate lockdown would look like. The article in the Daily Express is about "the prospect of coronavirus-style restrictions being introduced to save the environment". The article in Forbes quotes the authors of a study saying that the world 'can't rely on lockdowns', which I interpret to mean that they will be one of several options. And the World Economic Forum singled out lockdowns specifically when talking about how they believed city life had improved. The articles are about lockdowns being used, or potentially being used, in the context of climate change.

W123-80's · 15-04-2021 01:45PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

So why aren't we opening up?

We are, at a slightly slower pace than the UK.

The UK along with pretty much the rest of the world have cavaeted any easing of restrictions as dependent on numbers vaccinated, vaccine efficacy and variants.

I'll be keeping a close eye on the 'Not Before June 1st' element of the NI plan. If that works our for them it is good news for the rest of us lagging behind on vaccinations.

gozunda · 15-04-2021 01:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No guarantee they'll be abandoned post-vaccination. Vaccinations on their own aren't enough, according to Trudeau: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/worldnews/14657015/justin-trudeau-bizarre-claim-3rd-wave-canadian-cases-soar/

"vaccinations on their own are not enough to keep us safe”

Does it surprise you that scientists and experts and even non experts like Trudeu can sometimes hold ideas contrary to others experts and scientists and non experts and sometimes even most everyone?

You're using the Sun as source material? Fair enuf they don't even believe the claim.

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