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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #6272
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah I hope they can figure out if there is a common denominator among those who get this clotting. It's quite rare at a population level but the risk could be high for people of a certain demographic which could be excluded from astrazenica vaccine. That would allow the rollout to continue once understood.

    Really good article here on how it was discovered.

    https://twitter.com/chrischirp/status/1382257198433247239?s=20

    Is it fair to say that, as a result of that doctor "discovering" the link with the clots, the vaccine is less used, so a greater number of deaths might now occur, though from Covid and not from that vaccine?


  • #6273
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    NPHET were reasonable during the week in acknowledging that outdoors is pretty damn safe.

    So why are they not allowing small groups eat and drink outside?


  • #6274
    Multipass
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,678 ✭✭✭Multipass


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Beggars belief that this restriction is still in operation.

    It makes no sense at all, I get so annoyed by it. Its like the government wants to destroy small business and line the pockets of the supermarket chains. Most supermarkets look more like department stores now with all the extra stuff moved in, they’re making a killing.


  • #6275
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,202 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Is it fair to say that, as a result of that doctor "discovering" the link with the clots, the vaccine is less used, so a greater number of deaths might now occur, though from Covid and not from that vaccine?
    Yes, plus no value is being put on the impacts of lockdown.

    So you might have 1 death in a million for a vaccine, and as a consequence the vaccine is not used. Meanwhile we have people dying of Covid who could have had the vaccine, and lockdown drags on for a few more weeks with 25% unemployed.

    Unfortunately the regulators will get sued for the 1 in a million, and no-one cares about the other costs. That's why in my opinion finding some way to offer a waiver/informed consent for those of us who think this is absolute bull**** and could we get on with vaccinating would be good thing.


  • #6276
    PTH2009
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,722 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    NPHET were reasonable during the week in acknowledging that outdoors is pretty damn safe.

    So why are they not allowing small groups eat and drink outside?

    Alcohol is the reason they won't let it go ahead imo

    Was listening to a podcast on Spotify (Angry bartenders Ireland) and they made a good point saying 'some other businesses like fast food places/coffee shops/vans etc can have outside dining' and why cant pubs have it to ?


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  • #6277
    hynesie08
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,359 ✭✭✭✭hynesie08


    PTH2009 wrote: »
    Alcohol is the reason they won't let it go ahead imo

    Was listening to a podcast on Spotify (Angry bartenders Ireland) and they made a good point saying 'some other businesses like fast food places/coffee shops/vans etc can have outside dining' and why cant pubs have it to ?

    They can't though......


  • #6278
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    I'd say we would have outdoor pubs in May. Depending on the roll out.


  • #6279
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    saabsaab wrote: »
    I'd say we would have outdoor pubs in May. Depending on the roll out.

    We may not


  • #6280
    jackboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,073 ✭✭✭jackboy


    saabsaab wrote: »
    I'd say we would have outdoor pubs in May. Depending on the roll out.

    In a few weeks time, not a chance. Unless they can vac half a million a week.


  • #6281
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    jackboy wrote: »
    In a few weeks time, not a chance. Unless they can vac half a million a week.

    Agreed - not a chance...


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  • #6282
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    jackboy wrote: »
    In a few weeks time, not a chance. Unless they can vac half a million a week.


    May be possible, depending on the breaks.


  • #6283
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,980 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 174 (down from 189 last night)
    ICU 48 (up from 47 last night - 2 deaths)

    Lowest 8pm total number since 8th October - 171

    Last Wednesday
    Total 220
    ICU 54

    14th April 2020
    Total 864
    ICU 147


  • #6284
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    Comparing Christmas is a bit of an off comparison imo. It's a very specific time of year where people crowded for specific reasons, buying presents, meeting people inside in heated areas, out for the atmosphere, and indeed people travelling home (just part of the factor not the biggest that some bang on about) were all factors that made it explode. It's a different time of year with very different factors, warmer weather, more likely to want to be outside, a lot of the elderly vaccinated etc.

    I'm not saying open everything up, but the 'we saw what happened at Christmas' thing isn't that comparable tbh.


  • #6285
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hang on...I know I’m not as familiar with the Irish restrictions as most, living overseas right now, but are outside pubs not next up for reopening? That’s feckin crazy.

    I’m guessing it’s just down to NPHETS hatred of alcohol.


  • #6286
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,151 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Hang on...I know I’m not as familiar with the Irish restrictions as most, living overseas right now, but are outside pubs not next up for reopening? That’s feckin crazy.

    I’m guessing it’s just down to NPHETS hatred of alcohol.

    Nphet don't make government policy


  • #6287
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    174 in hospital
    48 in ICU

    More progress. Great to see.


  • #6288
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Corholio wrote: »
    Comparing Christmas is a bit of an off comparison imo. It's a very specific time of year where people crowded for specific reasons, buying presents, meeting people inside in heated areas, out for the atmosphere, and indeed people travelling home (just part of the factor not the biggest that some bang on about) were all factors that made it explode. It's a different time of year with very different factors, warmer weather, more likely to want to be outside, a lot of the elderly vaccinated etc.

    I'm not saying open everything up, but the 'we saw what happened at Christmas' thing isn't that comparable tbh.


    Coming into Summer more people traveling, people out for the first time since Christmas and inward foreign travel. Not all that different.


  • #6289
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    Nphet don't make government policy

    And round we go again!!!


  • #6290
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Miriam O'Callaghans Fianna Fáil brother Jim taking about variantsssssss on the Tonight Show.



    Spoofer.


  • #6291
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And round we go again!!!

    And this will keep happening as long as people are allowed to peddle that lie until they get the message.


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  • #6292
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,303 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Deleted User wrote: »
    And round we go again!!!

    In fairness, you started it while knowing rightly that NPHET don't actually make the final decisions.


  • #6293
    saabsaab
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,751 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Miriam O'Callaghans Fianna Fáil brother Jim taking about variantsssssss on the Tonight Show.



    Spoofer.


    What did he say?


  • #6294
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    saabsaab wrote: »
    What did he say?

    Like a deer in the headlights when asked why people from the UK aren't asked to MHQ.

    Then went on about variants and that's the reason for MHQ from other countries.

    Pressed on the UK variant and started rambling about how they are required to quarantine at home.

    Whole thing is a farce.


  • #6295
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Like a deer in the headlights when asked why people from the UK aren't asked to MHQ.

    Then went on about variants and that's the reason for MHQ from other countries.

    Pressed on the UK variant and started rambling about how they are required to quarantine at home.

    Whole thing is a farce.

    I wonder is Ireland the country that is most concerned in the world about potential variants. Every day there seems to be a new story about potential variants.


  • #6296
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,699 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    There will be a Sinn Fein variant yet.

    Jim O'Callaghan was woeful on the Tonight Show. Interesting to see him on it all the same. I thought he would be above all that.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #6297
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    saabsaab wrote: »
    What did he say?

    He’s on with Kingston Mills and Ilona Duffy now on +1 if you have it.


  • #6298
    RGS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 746 ✭✭✭RGS


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Like a deer in the headlights when asked why people from the UK aren't asked to MHQ.

    Then went on about variants and that's the reason for MHQ from other countries.

    Pressed on the UK variant and started rambling about how they are required to quarantine at home.

    Whole thing is a farce.

    In fairness to jim o'callaghan he was stating we have to live with covid and things need to open up.

    On MHQ I got the impression he was defending something he doesn't believe in..


  • #6299
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,179 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    RGS wrote: »
    In fairness to jim o'callaghan he was stating we have to live with covid and things need to open up.

    On MHQ I got the impression he was defending something he doesn't believe in..

    Yeah talk about him changing his tune to tow the party line.

    Dissapointing.

    Just another populist spoofer.

    None of them have any balls.


  • #6300
    Corholio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,014 ✭✭✭✭Corholio


    saabsaab wrote: »
    Coming into Summer more people traveling, people out for the first time since Christmas and inward foreign travel. Not all that different.

    Different seasons, weather, more likely to meet outdoors, no short hectic event, not the same 'family' tradition, It's a lot different imo, cases would go up inevitably from more people out but nothing like the rapid situation at Christmas. Again, I'm not one that's calling for everything to just open.


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  • #6301
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,974 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Cluedo Monopoly wrote: »
    There will be a Sinn Fein variant yet.

    Jim O'Callaghan was woeful on the Tonight Show. Interesting to see him on it all the same. I thought he would be above all that.

    Why above all that? He's trying to position himself as FF's 'king over the water'. Of course a lot of that profile building is going on away from the spotlight on the 'rubber chicken circuit' but he needs a certain level of media visibility too...


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