Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

rocky1813 · 14-04-2021 07:11PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Spain isn't on the list for MHQ.

Something is wrong with your story. It might be part of it, or it might be the whole thing.

I only got the story third hand but I think it was because she gave an antigen test instead of a PCR that was the issue.

Donald Trump · 14-04-2021 07:13PM

rocky1813 wrote: »

I only got the story third hand but I think it was because she gave an antigen test instead of a PCR that was the issue.

Yeah. If she landed without a valid PCR I think you have to go to MHQ until you get a clear one back. They have a daily rate of 150 for those people. She wouldn't have been let out on appeal, that would just be the process - negative test result back and away you go!

That's her own fault though in fairness.

Ray Donovan · 14-04-2021 07:15PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Spain isn't on the list for MHQ.

Something is wrong with your story. It might be part of it, or it might be the whole thing.

Her story is fine. If you land here from any country without a negative PCR you are put in MHQ. Thought you were the MHQ expert?

SusanC10 · 14-04-2021 07:15PM

rocky1813 wrote: »

I only got the story third hand but I think it was because she gave an antigen test instead of a PCR that was the issue.

I wonder was it that it wasn't a PCR Test ? That if you don't have a negative Test and specifically a negative PCR Test then it's MHQ ??

Donald Trump · 14-04-2021 07:16PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

Her story is fine. If you land here from any country without a negative PCR you are put in MHQ. Thought you were the MHQ expert?

You don't get a 2000 Euro fine and you don't have to go through a discretionary appeals process after getting a clear test back.

Part of the story was indeed fine.

14-04-2021 07:24PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Spain isn't on the list for MHQ.

Something is wrong with your story. It might be part of it, or it might be the whole thing.

I think it’s MHQ until a negative test result, irrespective of the origin of travel. But that should surely be same day, at the travellers cost. And the €2k part of the story doesn’t make sense.

embraer170 · 14-04-2021 07:34PM

I know of a passenger arriving on a flight from Scotland with an antigen instead of PCR test. Got 4 nights in MHQ. Apparently a long delay in getting the PCR test (and then 2 days to get the result!).

Happydays2020 · 14-04-2021 07:38PM

Feria40 wrote: »

Yep doesn't add up. Now she was required to have a negative PCR test not a negative Antigen test, I don't see how she wouldn't have known this.

Still don't think that would have landed her in a hotel though

Except it may well have happened.

normanoffside · 14-04-2021 07:40PM

Feria40 wrote: »

Yep doesn't add up. Now she was required to have a negative PCR test not a negative Antigen test, I don't see how she wouldn't have known this.

Still don't think that would have landed her in a hotel though

Yeah you are brought to a hotel if you don’t have a negative PCR test.

Most of Europe including Spain accepts Antigen test results but they are not good enough for good old Ireland.

embraer170 · 14-04-2021 07:43PM

I 100% know the Scotland story happened. The family went through a total nightmare experience getting things sorted for their son who was caught out (admittedly his own fault). There is no reason the arrival from Spain story mentioned here isn't true.

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In terms of countries accepting antigen tests, Germany does but France requires a PCR test (except for truckers where antigens are good enough). Bulgaria also requires a PCR test. Except these countries don't lock you up if you arrive without one.

Van.Bosch · 14-04-2021 07:44PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Yeah you are brought to a hotel if you don’t have a negative PCR test.

Most of Europe including Spain accepts Antigen test results but they are not good enough for good old Ireland.

This is the main reason the MHQ was full - walk ins from non MHQ countries.

SusanC10 · 14-04-2021 07:46PM

Van.Bosch wrote: »

This is the main reason the MHQ was full - walk ins from non MHQ countries.

I was wondering why all the walk-ins if they were flying from MHQ Countries - never thought that they may be from other Countries but didn't have negative PCR Tests.

embraer170 · 14-04-2021 07:50PM

I wonder if these passengers arriving on flights without an appropriate PCR test have the option to leave the State by getting on a flight back/to elsewhere (of course, they might be caught out by whatever requirements their country of departure has?).

If their only option is MHQ, they are basically being detained.

Happydays2020 · 14-04-2021 07:54PM

embraer170 wrote: »

I wonder if these passengers arriving on flights without an appropriate PCR test have the option to leave the State by getting on a flight back/to elsewhere (of course, they might be caught out by whatever requirements their country of departure has?).

If their own option is MHQ, they are basically being detained.

We really have turned into a horrible country.

Gael23 · 14-04-2021 07:54PM

So booking a holiday for August/September should be safe enough?

Feria40 · 14-04-2021 07:56PM

Gael23 wrote: »

So booking a holiday for August/September should be safe enough?

Well go for the cheap flight/free hotel cancellation option at least.

jellies · 14-04-2021 08:14PM

Gael23 wrote: »

So booking a holiday for August/September should be safe enough?

Personally I doubt non essential foreign travel will be officially allowed from Ireland this summer. We normally go to France and my working assumption is that we won't make it over in August. Nothing to stop you hopping across the border and travelling via Belfast though. Will keep an eye on this option myself. easyJet have flights and maybe Ryanair and Are Lingus will move some aircraft up there for the summer. Non essential travel is still not allowed from the UK but they are talking about end of May or June to restart.

scamalert · 14-04-2021 08:17PM

embraer170 wrote: »

I wonder if these passengers arriving on flights without an appropriate PCR test have the option to leave the State by getting on a flight back/to elsewhere (of course, they might be caught out by whatever requirements their country of departure has?).

If their only option is MHQ, they are basically being detained.

In theory not in normal times that would require one to go past customs back into main terminal, but with this madness gestapo would arrest you to bring to MHQ, trully mad times over a fckn virus that most people dont know they have it or had it, no symptoms and even if sick told to sit at home and sweat it out over 2 weeks.

granted i realize some people end up with complications and death, but its fckn overkill, having economy shut for a year, constant scaremongering, when fckn flu has worse onset and duration then this clap trap has been hyped up.

Donald Trump · 14-04-2021 08:19PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

We really have turned into a horrible country.

Ah, not really. Plenty of people still care enough to make a bit of an effort. There are of course always going to be the selfish few that want to piss on everyone else's efforts but you'll get that everywhere.

Del Griffith · 14-04-2021 08:22PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Will they? They all didn't the last time which is why MHQ was introduced.

"They" , you sound like you're talking about terrorists ffs, or another species, those that shock horror.. travelled on an aeroplane

14-04-2021 08:23PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Most of Europe including Spain accepts Antigen test results but they are not good enough for good old Ireland.

Mainland Spain does not accept antigen tests and very few countries do.

saabsaab wrote: »

Nothing to do with law enforcement. As is already the case if you don't have certain documents you don't get on our plane. Do you really want people like this to arrive here?

In accordance with standard international air travel regulations. Covid regulations that you want enforced, are Irish law and within the realm of criminal prosecutions. Spin all you want, it's Criminal law enforcement and you once again have conveniently ignored the part about refusing Irish residents to return to where they live.

Blut2 wrote: »

Because Ireland's relevant representatives to the EU already consented to approve its use for Ireland. We've already agreed to implement it - in full - once the parliament passes it.

Yeah, MEPs don't have that authority. Daly and Wallace are not making decisions on Ireland behalf.

Del Griffith · 14-04-2021 08:25PM

embraer170 wrote: »

I wonder if these passengers arriving on flights without an appropriate PCR test have the option to leave the State by getting on a flight back/to elsewhere (of course, they might be caught out by whatever requirements their country of departure has?).

If their only option is MHQ, they are basically being detained.

All you need do is call a solicitor and get the notice into the court office that you'll be taking a case. Home for supper then sure.

Donald Trump · 14-04-2021 08:36PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

In accordance with standard international air travel regulations. Covid regulations that you want enforced, are Irish law and within the realm of criminal prosecutions. Spin all you want, it's Criminal law enforcement and you once again have conveniently ignored the part about refusing Irish residents to return to where they live.

Niner, would you take a case against Ryanair if you got mixed up and arrived at Stansted airport (after flying out to London with Aer Lingus) with only your driving licence and weren't let on the plane home

A passport isn't a legal requirement for travel from UK to Ireland. You can't just demand X/Y/Z always and expect to win

saabsaab · 14-04-2021 08:39PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

"They" , you sound like you're talking about terrorists ffs, or another species, those that shock horror.. travelled on an aeroplane

My point is perfectly reasonable just like the use of 'they'.

Many didn't quarantine the last time why will they do so now?

Del Griffith · 14-04-2021 08:41PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Yeah. Anyone trying to check in for a plane to the US won't get past the check-in desk in Dublin unless you show the person either a valid visa or your ESTA.

Airlines currently get fined for bringing people that are not eligible (in general, if it happens anywhere). And then they have to bring the person back home too.

You only need a driving licence to travel between Ireland and the UK for example. I think Aer Lingus still accept a driving licence but the others don't. If you book the other airlines, and arrive at the desk with only a driving licence, you won't be getting on the plane. That's just the airline rules. You can go on about UN Human Rights or Constitutional rights until the cows come home. But you won't be coming home yourself!

US Preclearance is a special arrangement and nothing to do with the airline. Even if it was a stop over would sort that.

jellies · 14-04-2021 08:43PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

"They" , you sound like you're talking about terrorists ffs, or another species, those that shock horror.. travelled on an aeroplane

How dare they! While the rest of the world is getting on with their lives and we are supposed to be good boys and girls, stay inside and hide under our beds. My wife recently travelled to both London and New York for work. She obviously was delighted to get a break from NPHETland but was struck by how people are getting on with their lives. Still taking precautions, wearing masks, outdoor dining etc. but not jumping into the bushes when you walk down the footpath. And funny how she didn't catch COVID either.

Del Griffith · 14-04-2021 08:45PM

saabsaab wrote: »

My point is perfectly reasonable just like the use of 'they'.

Many didn't quarantine the last time why will they do so now?

The 1.8% of the total you mean?

Donald Trump · 14-04-2021 08:46PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

US Preclearance is a special arrangement and nothing to do with the airline. Even if it was a stop over would sort that.

Hi Del,

Mary at the Aer Lingus check-in desk is not moonlighting for US CBP on the side.

She will check your visa or ESTA. If you don't have it, she won't allow you to check in there at the desk

saabsaab · 14-04-2021 08:49PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

The 1.8% of the total you mean?

100% of the UK variant you could say.

Del Griffith · 14-04-2021 08:50PM

jellies wrote: »

How dare they! While the rest of the world is getting on with their lives and we are supposed to be good boys and girls, stay inside and hide under our beds. My wife recently travelled to both London and New York for work. She obviously was delighted to get a break from NPHETland but was struck by how people are getting on with their lives. Still taking precautions, wearing masks, outdoor dining etc. but not jumping into the bushes when you walk down the footpath. And funny how she didn't catch COVID either.

A lot of people don't seem to understand this. I've been in 5 countries during this and in my experience is the Irish attitude is unique. Not the government policies which besides going on too long and being a bit more extreme aren't hugely different, but the populaces general fear and orgy of negativity seem to be an Irish specialty.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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