Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

stephenjmcd wrote: »

HSE have asked NIAC to clarify their advise.

In particular surrounding the below. Whereby if the benefits outweigh the risks and the person has made an informed decision. i.e has consented knowing the risk.
https://twitter.com/JackHoJo/status/1382358494989402113?s=19

You would have thought this was a no brainer - if people under the age of 60 are fine with receiving AZ despite knowing the 'risks', then why not give it to them?

Deleted User wrote: »

What would happen if you do not consent, back of the queue?

I think in this case it would be for under 60s to move further up the queue, if there was a surplus of AZ vaccine and no over 60s available to use it.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Interesting to see how NIAC reply to that ask for clarification.

Lorraine Nolan will just send a stern-faced selfie back

funnydoggy wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=115357824&postcount=9650


Took this scrolling screenshot on the morning of the 20th of November about RTÉ burying good news. The good news is more than halfway down the page, *well* below the fold. What's front and center? A hospital outbreak story, not the article with the good news about a 90% drop in fatality from the second wave. RTÉ is, and have always been, shítty.

Anyway, last I'm saying because it's gonna derail the thread.

As a digital designer, hearing about "the fold" hurts my face. There is no such thing.

Anyway, I live in Canada, seeing the good news back home is all I need these days. Knowing my folks and friends will be covered brings me a huge amount of relief and happiness.

Canada is headed in the wrong direction at the minute, so I just have to sit tight and wait...and hope.

As for now, anyone who posts in here and lives at home, I am delighted for you all. Get the vaccine, have the pints and laughs, and I will see you at some point.

Frank Bullitt wrote: »

As a digital designer, hearing about "the fold" hurts my face. There is no such thing.

Anyway, I live in Canada, seeing the good news back home is all I need these days. Knowing my folks and friends will be covered brings me a huge amount of relief and happiness.

Canada is headed in the wrong direction at the minute, so I just have to sit tight and wait...and hope.

As for now, anyone who posts in here and lives at home, I am delighted for you all. Get the vaccine, have the pints and laughs, and I will see you at some point.

As someone with past experience in that area, it hurt to type, trust me :pac:

funnydoggy wrote: »

As someone with past experience in that area, it hurt to type, trust me :pac:

Amen brother!

muddypuppy wrote: »

I don't think that selling them on the "open market" will be approved by the EU. After all it's the EU that has signed the contracts, not the individual states. I guess they could sell whatever they have in their fridges at the moment, but then I would expect the EU to step in and just stop deliveries there.
My best guess would be that either they redistribute them fairly among the other countries (so population) or they're just gifted to COVAX.

with one less country taking from the AZ vaccine pool you'd presume that other countries will just get proportionally more. Theres no need for new contracts as what countries were looking for isnt remotely being fulfilled ás it is and a percentage or 2 more vaccines still leaves everyone short.

As for comments above that the likes of Germany will follow suit with AZ cancellations, that will not happen.

Germany has 83million to vaccinate, thats a heck of a lot of people, and its one of the oldest populations in the world so plenty of >60s (or >50s) still waiting on a jab.
FFS, they are looking to order Sputnik to try and speed things along, and as much as AZ were slop shod about their testing, the russians wont even provide the original data on side effects !!

There was a batch of 450k vaccines in the Cologne / Dusseldorf area released last saturday week ago (from cancelled appointments for the <60s, like is happening in Ireland now) and the demand to sign up was so great that the system kept crashing, all day long. The reluctance to use the AZ vaccine is greatly overstated. People know they have a miniscule chance of a serious side effect and a much much higher possiblity of death or serious illness by catching covid.

When the portal opens tomorrow for registration it'll be open for 69 year olds, then 68 Friday and so on, 65 year olds by Monday.

Appointments according to Donnelly on newstalk will follow beginning middle of next week

stephenjmcd wrote: »

When the portal opens tomorrow for registration it'll be open for 69 year olds, then 68 Friday and so on, 65 year olds by Monday.

Appointments according to Donnelly on newstalk will follow beginning middle of next week

So happy !! It’s probably AZ but I will take whatever is on offer !!

Miike wrote: »

I'm enjoying the silence on where this leaves healthcare workers in the interim who are waiting on their second doses or a decision to vaccinate using a different platform. I think its fairly reasonable to say they are at substantially higher risk of contracting the virus vs the general population and now a huge cohort (myself included) are being left in the lurch.

Paul Reid is on the record saying any healthcare worker who refuses the vaccine could be removed from their post under the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act 2005. NIAC could easily throw a spanner in the works here with their reply. Legally, for consent to be valid and genuine it has to be free of coercion or undue influence. I would argue that Paul Reids "threat" militates that notion outright.

"Risk taking the vaccine with the clot or loose your job".

For the record, I want to be very clear: I am awaiting my second dose of AZ and as things currently stand I absolutely want my second dose of it. Clot or not. I'm just interested in the medicolegal discussion thats going to crop up very soon.

I thought the clotting risk was with dose #1... in other words, if you’ve had dose #1 of AZ and didn't have the clotting, you won’t get it with dose #2?

EDIT: I thought wrong &#55357;&#56849;

stephenjmcd wrote: »

More details on the above.

Opens 10am tomorrow morning. There will also be a phone line

https://twitter.com/SeanDefoe/status/1382368364622970882?s=19

To clarify, this is for anyone in that age range not just the vulnerable?

EDit wrote: »

I thought the clotting risk was with dose #1... in other words, if you’ve had dose #1 of AZ and didn't have the clotting, you won’t get it with dose #2?

Due to the 12 week (at least) dosing gap, there have been very few second dose recipients around the world so far; hence why they're extending it to 16 weeks here to collect more data on the safety. There hasn't been enough data to make a definitive claim about the second dose and clotting risk.

EDit wrote: »

I thought the clotting risk was with dose #1... in other words, if youve had dose #1 of AZ and didnt have the clotting, you wont get it with dose #2?

It's unclear. In comparison to the first dose very few people have got the second. Not enough data to determine if there's no additional risk.

Miike wrote: »

I'm enjoying the silence on where this leaves healthcare workers in the interim who are waiting on their second doses or a decision to vaccinate using a different platform. I think its fairly reasonable to say they are at substantially higher risk of contracting the virus vs the general population and now a huge cohort (myself included) are being left in the lurch.

Paul Reid is on the record saying any healthcare worker who refuses the vaccine could be removed from their post under the Safety, Health and Welfare at Work Act 2005. NIAC could easily throw a spanner in the works here with their reply. Legally, for consent to be valid and genuine it has to be free of coercion or undue influence. I would argue that Paul Reids "threat" militates that notion outright.

"Risk taking the vaccine with the clot or loose your job".

For the record, I want to be very clear: I am awaiting my second dose of AZ and as things currently stand I absolutely want my second dose of it. Clot or not. I'm just interested in the medicolegal discussion thats going to crop up very soon.

Wait so people are to get their 2nd dose if they've already received their first AZ dose. Has this been confirmed? Even if under 60?

funnydoggy wrote: »

To clarify, this is for anyone in that age range not just the vulnerable?

Yup anyone in that age range. If someone fits into the risk groupings they'll still go through either GP or consultant