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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #5972
    SweetCaliber
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,485 ✭✭✭SweetCaliber


    18 deaths over four months in todays cases, jesus they are really clutching at straws now that the cases are low.


  • #5973
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,061 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    marno21 wrote: »

    Most of their voters are getting old and dying off now. They don’t have a reason to be relevant except for the civil war politics angle. And that won’t get them far in the 2020s


    A lot of people were saying that a decade ago ...


  • #5974
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,472 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Good to see the averages back to a good decline now

    https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1382015867379154953?s=19


  • #5975
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,100 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    https://twitter.com/ZaraKing/status/1382015418974547972

    Today's breakdown


  • #5976
    NIAC Fanboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭NIAC Fanboy


    All of Munster and quite a few touching counties showing really low incidence rates now.

    It is ridiculous not to regionalise this, and allow for a modest easing of restrictions in these areas.

    If there is an outbreak in a specific area or town in the zone then hit the area with mass testing.

    Add other counties to the zone as their rates come down.

    Its shocking mismanagement at this point.


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  • #5977
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    Nice to see the reduction in Dublin and Kildare.


  • #5978
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    I know case numbers don't mean everything and it's about trends etc. but it's lovely to see them lower, all the same :)


  • #5979
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    A lot of people were saying that a decade ago ...

    They never got less than 39% of FPVs between 1932 and 2007. They haven’t got higher than 24% since.


  • #5980
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    WoollyRedHat wrote: »
    Significant reduction in Dublin.

    A slight reduction on the 5 day moving average that correlates with the reduction nationwide.

    Dublin still has a serious problem that hasn’t been addressed since September.


  • #5981
    NIAC Fanboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭NIAC Fanboy


    funnydoggy wrote: »
    I know case numbers don't mean everything and it's about trends etc. but it's lovely to see them lower, all the same :)

    Well it would be if there was some sort of additional relaxation of restrictions to look forward to as a result of the falling cases, reduced hospitalisations, ICU reduction and increasing vaccinations.


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  • #5982
    zuutroy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,854 ✭✭✭zuutroy


    Funny seeing Brian Cowen on Reeling in the Years thinking we could never end up with a dithering waster like that again....didn't take long.


  • #5983
    WoollyRedHat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,462 ✭✭✭✭WoollyRedHat


    marno21 wrote: »
    A slight reduction on the 5 day moving average that correlates with the reduction nationwide.

    Dublin still has a serious problem that hasn’t been addressed since September.

    Yeah I may have overstated it have edited. Numbers still stubborn in coming down but hopefully walk-in centres starting to make a difference.


  • #5984
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    SweetCaliber wrote: »
    18 deaths over four months in todays cases, jesus they are really clutching at straws now that the cases are low.

    How is stating reported deaths as they are registered clutching at straws?


  • #5985
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    marno21 wrote: »
    A slight reduction on the 5 day moving average that correlates with the reduction nationwide.

    Dublin still has a serious problem that hasn’t been addressed since September.

    Dublin has a bigger population than the rest of Leinster combined. It also has about 1,500 people per sq km.


  • #5986
    NIAC Fanboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭NIAC Fanboy


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    How is stating reported deaths as they are registered clutching at straws?

    They shouldn't be stating deaths in this manner at all. I've often seen it reported at 5.30pm "XX further deaths" and then by 9.40pm we have a politician on Prime Time saying "firstly my condolences to the XX families who are grieving a loved one due to covid tonight"

    Maybe give the new overall death number combined with an updated graph showing number of deaths on the date they happened so people can see what the overall trend looks like.


  • #5987
    M_Murphy57
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭M_Murphy57


    FlubberJones wrote: »
    That is piss poor, the roll out seems to be going backwards.. again and now the Astra issues will be a scapegoat for the governments shambolic efforts

    This plus they will only hire full time vaccinators who mostly work Monday to Friday. They turned down the services of applicants who offered to work part time and at weekends (because there was no box on the form for that, so like the junior cert results question for surgeons rather than pivot or use even the tiniest modicum of lateral thinking they just reject the applicants out of hand)

    Result is they have no weekend staff 4 months in.


  • #5988
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    NIAC Fanboy wrote: »
    They shouldn't be stating deaths in this manner at all. I've often seen it reported at 5.30pm "XX further deaths" and then by 9.40pm we have a politician on Prime Time saying "firstly my condolences to the XX families who are grieving a loved one due to covid tonight"

    Maybe give the new overall death number combined with an updated graph showing number of deaths on the date they happened so people can see what the overall trend looks like.

    We've been through this so many times....

    Your suggestion still would mean nothing, as there could be deaths today that won't be registered for three months. It's not an ideal scenario but it's what we have to work with and we know how it works - plus the daily figures always make it clear when the deaths occurred if you'll read or watch beyond the headlines.


  • #5989
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,715 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Dublin has a bigger population than the rest of Leinster combined. It also has about 1,500 people per sq km.
    Indeed it does. Raw population isn't relevant though, it has the second worst incidence rate which is more of a level playing field to compare to other counties.

    It is dense in the city centre. Cork is of comparable density in its inner city and the whole city and county recorded 5 cases today.

    There is issues in Dublin which haven't been resolved. Dublin isn't unique in many ways. It's not as bizarre as the continued high incidence in Offaly though.


  • #5990
    NIAC Fanboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭NIAC Fanboy


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    We've been through this so many times....

    Your suggestion still would mean nothing, as there could be deaths today that won't be registered for three months. It's not an ideal scenario but it's what we have to work with and we know how it works - plus the daily figures always make it clear when the deaths occurred if you'll read or watch beyond the headlines.

    Its misleading of politicians to use it almost as a justification for defending restriction X, Y and Z a few hours later on prime time though.

    They dropped reporting the median age of deaths fairly lively when it suited them to.


  • #5991
    pauldry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,556 ✭✭✭pauldry


    So if I die today it could take 4 months or even more to decide if to register my death as been of Covid for example.

    So in the daily numbers in August for example (hopefully) 50 new cases or less and 15 deaths 11 deaths werein April 2 in May 1 in June and one in March 2020!


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  • #5992
    NIAC Fanboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭NIAC Fanboy


    pauldry wrote: »
    So if I die today it could take 4 months or even more to decide if to register my death as been of Covid for example.

    So in the daily numbers in August for example (hopefully) 50 new cases or less and 15 deaths 11 deaths werein April 2 in May 1 in June and one in March 2020!

    Yes, and in a lot of cases people were very sick anyway, so being a covid death made minimal difference to them or their families anyway.


  • #5993
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,333 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    NIAC Fanboy wrote: »
    Yes, and in a lot of cases people were very sick anyway, so being a covid death made minimal difference to them or their families anyway.

    Jesus wept! The old "they would have died anyway' line.

    I thought we had moved on from this cr@p.


  • #5994
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Jesus wept! The old "they would have died anyway' line.

    I thought we had moved on from this cr@p.

    Look at the average length of stay in a nursing home, then look at the amounts of covid deaths in nursing homes. Its correct that most have them were dying already and hadn't long to live.


  • #5995
    Always_Running
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,846 ✭✭✭Always_Running


    This week compared to last week.

    688 fewer cases
    682 fewer positive swabs
    Positivity in testing 2.7% (last Tuesday 3.1%)
    56 fewer in hospital
    12 fewer in ICU


  • #5996
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,462 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    NIAC Fanboy wrote: »
    They shouldn't be stating deaths in this manner at all. I've often seen it reported at 5.30pm "XX further deaths" and then by 9.40pm we have a politician on Prime Time saying "firstly my condolences to the XX families who are grieving a loved one due to covid tonight"

    Maybe give the new overall death number combined with an updated graph showing number of deaths on the date they happened so people can see what the overall trend looks like.

    This is done ...on a biweekly basis ..by NPHET .


  • #5997
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    NIAC Fanboy wrote: »
    They shouldn't be stating deaths in this manner at all. I've often seen it reported at 5.30pm "XX further deaths" and then by 9.40pm we have a politician on Prime Time saying "firstly my condolences to the XX families who are grieving a loved one due to covid tonight"

    Maybe give the new overall death number combined with an updated graph showing number of deaths on the date they happened so people can see what the overall trend looks like.

    Grand, just tell every family to get on with it and report the death immediately for a couple of lads on boards there.

    As for your second sentence - WATCH THE BRIEFINGS


  • #5998
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,462 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    M_Murphy57 wrote: »
    This plus they will only hire full time vaccinators who mostly work Monday to Friday. They turned down the services of applicants who offered to work part time and at weekends (because there was no box on the form for that, so like the junior cert results question for surgeons rather than pivot or use even the tiniest modicum of lateral thinking they just reject the applicants out of hand)

    Result is they have no weekend staff 4 months in.

    While this is true it is pointless atm to talk about staff working through at weekends if the supply isn't there, especially this week .


  • #5999
    eastie17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭eastie17


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Is this is a good thing?

    Surely if there are risks reported with a vaccine, it is good practice to pause while they are investigated fully.

    The UK have fairly consistently taken punts on this all along, between changing recommended dosing periods to focusing on 1st doses only so they dont really seem to be that bothered about what the data might say, just roll the dice and tell the world they got Brexit done


  • #6000
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,462 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    marno21 wrote: »
    Indeed it does. Raw population isn't relevant though, it has the second worst incidence rate which is more of a level playing field to compare to other counties.

    It is dense in the city centre. Cork is of comparable density in its inner city and the whole city and county recorded 5 cases today.

    There is issues in Dublin which haven't been resolved. Dublin isn't unique in many ways. It's not as bizarre as the continued high incidence in Offaly though.

    That is why the asymptomatic walk in centres for testing have been set up , based in areas of high infection rates .


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  • #6001
    odyssey06
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,760 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Study finds no increase in suicides in Western countries during first covid lockdowns

    https://www.thejournal.ie/suicide-deaths-internationally-no-increase-study-5408205-Apr2021/

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



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