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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,090 ✭✭✭✭KCross


    Mango Joe wrote: »
    I'd also like to know about options on servicing (eg if I ever had to replace a motor) and in particular how to access updated firmware at some point in the future.

    I only specifically know Husqvarna (330x/430x), not McCulloch, but since they are the same company/parts under the hood I'd imagine the experience will be the same.

    There is little or no servicing as such unless you have a problem and thats not really servicing, its repairs.

    The only real servicing thats required is changing blades and firmware updates if you need them. The blades are easy to change. The firmware updates have, up to recently, required the dealer to do it. There is no way to do it yourself on those older machines which is a PITA as it forces you to pay the dealer for it. I didnt bother as the mower was working fine.

    Recent versions allow remote updates via Wifi connection.

    On the repairs side, the Husqvarna's are ok to work on. I've sourced parts and fixed things myself without any specialist tools/skills.
    e.g. battery, cutting disc bearing, docking station got hit by a ball and needed a new plastic molding etc.
    I've had some other issues early on which got fixed by the dealer under warranty.

    Mine is a 2014 and its still on its original motors, sensors etc. The original battery is still working but severly degraded now so I am swapping it out for a new one... not cheap! The mower itself has been reliable, the charging station and PSU not so much!


  • Registered Users Posts: 619 ✭✭✭tedimc


    These look great, what’s the warranty situation when buying from Italy?

    Good catch - i looked at the manual, and while covered I may have to return it to the shop where I purchased :eek:

    But I will chance my arm with the local guys first and see. Worst case, I should be able to ship it to Italy relatively easily.

    They do offer a 6 year warranty - 2 year base, extended by four years, subject to getting it service every year by an Ambrogio agent.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,224 ✭✭✭KeRbDoG


    Mango Joe wrote: »
    ...One user on here had to change a PCB on the charging station due to slug damage - Seems like Husqvarna have room for improvement there as it seems to be an achilles heel allright.
    That was me :) just looked into my email and I bought the mower back in spring 2017. Worth mentioning that I have the 2017 430X as I've a large (unwanted!) garden so its worked fairly hard. I prob had it working more than needed over the initial few years (don't think I had it stopped over night at all).

    The Husqvarna charging dock I just took apart, it really could have been sealed up a lot more than it was. In saying that, I didn't keep the grass around it cut back so the slug issue (after 4 years) is prob 50/50 Husqvarna/me.
    Software updates - yup, my mower hasn't had any as I'm not bringing it to a dealer as I've yet to see a need. No changelogs from the last time I've looked.
    I like that newer units can be updated by the user.

    I just looked up the McCulloch units on their international site and it seems they do a max size garden of 1000m2. I'd throw a guess that mowers working on a smaller space will generally had less issues.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭Pique


    How level does your lawn need to be for a McCulloch ROB1000? I know they say it can handle a 25% slope which is about 14 degrees but presumably this is in near-perfect conditions.

    Has anyone encountered theirs struggling with slopes in wet Irish conditions?
    Can you buy knobbly tyres to improve traction?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭Mango Joe


    I noticed that my Flymo 1200r struggled up a small grassy slope in my garden since I installed it. With the wet weather, it couldnt manage it at all. The wheels would just spin and it would dig up the grass as a result. It would also fall outside the boundary cable when it would slide causing me to have to pick it up and carry it back into position.

    This annoyance happened far more often in the wet weather. Eventually, from fustration, I took the mower into the shed and removed the wheels. I drilled four short screws into each wheels so that they would act as spikes in the grass for better traction.

    The mower is now much more sure-footed in the grass, in particular when it is wet. I notice that it would attempt to go up the slope and then back off the odd time. My guess is that there is an overload sensor on the wheel servo motors that causes the mower to re-navigate when it detects that it has to use too much force to move forward. Regardless, it is getting less stuck now, even though I have not solved the slope problem 100%. I guess I have the added benefit of the grass getting aerated and better drainage too :P


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    See above post from the innovator Schrodinger's Cat - Might help.

    If the above seemed a little drastic or Ben Hur-esque you could certainly experiment by putting in shorter screws at first or file the ends so they're not sharp......

    Husqvarna sell a terrain kit for their models which is just a wheel with more elongated wheel thread mouldings that dig in a bit deeper - Really the screws in the wheels, while seeming a bit drastic and extreme, is probably a better solution! Also worth noting that every review I read of these seems to rubbish the brushes as a waste of time while confirming that the wheel spikes do help.

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    PS Obviously not many people would be entirely comfortable about drilling the wheels on a brand new purchase.... But absolute worst case scenario is that there's some resultant issue and you then buy 2 replacements from McCulloch and move on.

    SC might be along in a bit to give a verdict now that his are on a while as to how they've lasted and if he'd go the same route again.

    PPS If you dropped into a Husqvarna Dealer they might be able to advise on whether there's a Husqvarna model that shares the exact same wheels with the Rob R1000 and you could just go with that kit. I think the R1000 is very close to the Husqvarna 105.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭Bungusbeefcake


    Mango Joe wrote: »
    See above post - Might help.

    If the above seemed a little drastic or Ben Hur-esque you could certainly experiment by putting in shorter screws at first or file the ends so they're not sharp......

    At least you're increasing drainage at the same time
    :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,044 ✭✭✭Pique


    Haha I actually had the idea of spiked tyres in mind already :)

    You know what they say though. If it's dumb and it works, it's not dumb.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭Mango Joe


    Actually...... All of the above should have come with a major health warning that I just thought of now......

    The McCulloch Rob R1000 and AFAIK the very similar Gardena and Flymo models are a bit different to the Husqvarna range in that they drive with the larger wheels leading the way so unless your boundary & guide wires are buried beyond the depth of your wheel spikes then your going to shred them !!!

    I can only suppose that Schrodingers Cat had his wires well dug in...... And yes your lawn would love all that spiking - very healthy and great for keeping moss at bay.

    * I think it makes sense for the larger wheels to be in front when travelling - It seems to make the mower very smooth and less affected by lumps and bumps in the lawn as it moves about compared to my neighbours machine.

    I'd honestly consider if taking out some of the angle using a load of topsoil would be an option - Put it in place, rake it out and then scatter some grass seed and you're done.

    People might say that landscaping to suit an automower is a bit drastic but I've no intention of ever running a tractor mower again as long as I live so that would be a worthwhile investment in my garden providing benefits far off into the future.....You'd often see good deals on topsoil on Done Deal - A lot of the cost is delivery related so you'd potentially get a tip-truck load delivered for not much more that the price of a couple of tonne bags.


  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭murfler


    KCross wrote: »
    I only specifically know Husqvarna (330x/430x), not McCulloch, but since they are the same company/parts under the hood I'd imagine the experience will be the same.

    There is little or no servicing as such unless you have a problem and thats not really servicing, its repairs.

    The only real servicing thats required is changing blades and firmware updates if you need them. The blades are easy to change. The firmware updates have, up to recently, required the dealer to do it. There is no way to do it yourself on those older machines which is a PITA as it forces you to pay the dealer for it. I didnt bother as the mower was working fine.

    Recent versions allow remote updates via Wifi connection.

    On the repairs side, the Husqvarna's are ok to work on. I've sourced parts and fixed things myself without any specialist tools/skills.
    e.g. battery, cutting disc bearing, docking station got hit by a ball and needed a new plastic molding etc.
    I've had some other issues early on which got fixed by the dealer under warranty.

    Mine is a 2014 and its still on its original motors, sensors etc. The original battery is still working but severly degraded now so I am swapping it out for a new one... not cheap! The mower itself has been reliable, the charging station and PSU not so much!
    What models allow you to remotely update firmware do you know? I have a 430x bought last year


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭AstraMonti


    Ok so my worx stopped in the middle of the garden saying wire missing. Obviously it didn't cut anything where it stopped. The led is green on the base, if i remove one cable goes to red, if i put it back in goes to green. Checked all the perimeter around, no broken cable. Turned it on and off, still wire missing. Any ideas? I am not sure what else I can try.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭Bedouin79


    Question, the signal loop is just that. The robot is returning to base the wrong way I need the service app to change it which is dealer only. Surely swapping the input output of the loop would do the same thing or am I missing something. Ambrogio Robot and at this stage I know more than my dealer does 🀯🀯

    My fear is swapping the signal cables would make everything inside the loop technically outside the perimeter and everything outside the loop technically inside. Or am I way over thinking this


  • Registered Users Posts: 302 ✭✭coL


    Seeing some mixed reviews of www.myrobotcenter.eu on here. They have the model I want at a very good price but they are on pre-order at the moment. Have people been refunded quickly when they requested it? Thinking I might give them a try and if it’s not working out or delivery is taking too long request a refund.


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭slayer91


    Hi,

    I am one of those who had a mixed luck with them, I requested my order be refunded last on the 1st April and the money hit my account this afternoon.

    They still have the best prices and am still tempted to order off them but their policy of extending the delivery deadlines is maddening.

    Regards


  • Registered Users Posts: 47 FM252


    I ordered from them with a dispatch for 17th of March. With no sign of it being sent I emailed them and got quick responses. The first was they would get product 'from' 1st of April and a follow up email clarified they would dispatch on 6th. Very professional but obviously dispatch date should be accurate.

    Ordered installation kit at later date and since it has also been delayed and will not arrive on time. I sent email to cancel yesterday and this morning I had confirmation from paypal that money was refunded.

    Good in my opinion but same as above comment with delayed delivery frustrating.


  • Registered Users Posts: 792 ✭✭✭ArrBee


    coL wrote: »
    Seeing some mixed reviews of www.myrobotcenter.eu on here. They have the model I want at a very good price but they are on pre-order at the moment. Have people been refunded quickly when they requested it? Thinking I might give them a try and if it’s not working out or delivery is taking too long request a refund.


    I bought 2 at different times.
    Both had a delay in being dispatched and delivery was not as quick as Amazon.
    All communication and tracking was ok though so I just waited the few weeks.
    All good. But then I wasn't ordering after I wanted it installed.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭slegs


    Similar to others I have been waiting on myrobotcenter.eu for my order. To be honest its fine with me as their prices are so much better than elsewhere I am happy to wait. I had originally ordered the Husqvarna 415x at end Feb and the shipping date kept moving out to the 6th April. Then late March I saw their price on the 430x which was only 300e more so I cancelled the 415x order and ordered the 430x. I got a refund for the 415x order in a couple of days but there was a short period where they had >4.5k of my cash. 430x due to ship on the 13th April. Bit frustrating waiting but I'm happy to do it based on their prices and the comms/updates are prompt with them


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,239 ✭✭✭Lurching


    I guess the moral of the story is: if you want cheap prices, myrobotcenter.eu is your man, but be prepared to wait.
    If you want one sooner, be prepared to pay more.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭Mango Joe


    Lurching wrote: »
    I guess the moral of the story is: if you want cheap prices, myrobotcenter.eu is your man, but be prepared to wait.
    If you want one sooner, be prepared to pay more.

    I think its important to note that if you order from this massive Website shipping all over Europe in March or April just as the grass is beginning to grow then you're putting yourself at the end of a very, very long queue. This is with respect to both the Websites own operations processing orders but also on the supply end with the Manufacturers they're sourcing the product from.

    The main issue is that these people know this very well and (in my opinion) are playing a game where its vastly more profitable for them to bank your money while advising on a 10 day shipping time than it is to tell you the truth and most likely lose the sale.

    I'd be looking at all other options and alternatives very carefully.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,008 ✭✭✭slegs


    Mango Joe wrote: »
    I think its important to note that if you order from this massive Website shipping all over Europe in March or April just as the grass is beginning to grow then you're putting yourself at the end of a very, very long queue. This is with respect to both the Websites own operations processing orders but also on the supply end with the Manufacturers they're sourcing the product from.

    The main issue is that these people know this very well and (in my opinion) are playing a game where its vastly more profitable for them to bank your money while advising on a 10 day shipping time than it is to tell you the truth and most likely lose the sale.

    I'd be looking at all other options and alternatives very carefully.

    Yes if you are happy to pay more. Im happy to wait and save 300-500 euro


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    I have a Ambrogio twenty elite. Just wondering how many days a week people send their mower out?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 93 ✭✭murfler


    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    I have a Ambrogio twenty elite. Just wondering how many days a week people send their mower out?

    Like any mower it depends on different things, how big your lawn is, what month, what grass growth is like in your area..you need to play around with it and see what schedule suits your lawn best..I have a 430X, during high growth months I have it out 7 days a week from 9am to 9pm...right now I have it out 5 days from 10am until 6pm


  • Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭Bedouin79


    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    I have a Ambrogio twenty elite. Just wondering how many days a week people send their mower out?


    Just got Luigi ( Ambrogio l250i elite +) back on the lawn he’s cutting 10-6 5 days a week. Depending on growth I’ll be changing that soon I had the lawn prepped for him cut below his cutting height so he could buzz around get his bearings before the hard work kicked in


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,321 ✭✭✭Tilikum17


    Bedouin79 wrote: »
    Just got Luigi ( Ambrogio l250i elite +) back on the lawn he’s cutting 10-6 5 days a week. Depending on growth I’ll be changing that soon I had the lawn prepped for him cut below his cutting height so he could buzz around get his bearings before the hard work kicked in

    You mean you set it once from 10 until 6 in the eve

    I have it set to come out for two hours in the morn and 2 hours in the afternoon. Maybe I’ll just swap to the way you have it


  • Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭Bedouin79


    Tilikum17 wrote: »
    You mean you set it once from 10 until 6 in the eve

    I have it set to come out for two hours in the morn and 2 hours in the afternoon. Maybe I’ll just swap to the way you have it

    I’d leave it where you have it for now, if it’s staying on top of the lawn growth no need to change it. If the lawn is growing beyond your mower increase the time out and about. The instruction booklet for my mower had example of lawn size and times to suit. I used it initially and modified as I went til I found something that worked for me


  • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭blast06


    Hi, am new to this page and have been reading over the past 30 pages as i want to bite the bullet and buy a robot mower .... will be for the front garden only for now (~900m2).
    Not sure if i am allowed mention brands but i see a McCulloch ROB1000 mentioned. My almost 'confusion' is that i presumed that a robot mower to cut a medium size line would be at least twice that and thus had ruled it out buying a one over the past few years.

    A few questions that would appreciate any comments on:
    - Have the robot mowers become like large screen TV's in that their prices have greatly reduced, or were they always this price ?!
    - How could one have the mower cross a tarmac driveway, i.e.: i can't leave the cable on the surface or it won't last long, and obviously don't want to dig it up. I presume there is no other 'trick' i a missing!? (approx. 100m2 of the garden is on the 'other' side of the driveway).
    - I trust spreading fertiliser isn't a problem.... i.e.: the blades aren't so delicate that constantly hitting the little grains of fertiliser for a few days would do damage ? (i usually spread twice or 3 times a year .... my biggest decision point is probably that i will no longer have a striped lawn :-( with the robot mower!


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭dashoonage


    Gone very cold here again now last night, hard frost, the boys were out in there houses as the frost wasn't forecast. Looks to be cold for the next few nights so will bring them back inside again.

    With the weather this unsettled cant seem to get into a scheduled program with them at all. Just letting them out when the weather permits.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭Mango Joe


    blast06 wrote: »
    Hi, am new to this page and have been reading over the past 30 pages as i want to bite the bullet and buy a robot mower .... will be for the front garden only for now (~900m2).
    Not sure if i am allow[/COLOR]ed mention brands but i see a McCulloch ROB1000 mentioned. My almost 'confusion' is that i presumed that a robot mower to cut a medium size line would be at least twice that and thus had ruled it out buying a one over the past few years.

    A few questions that would appreciate any comments on:
    - Have the robot mowers become like large screen TV's in that their prices have greatly reduced, or were they always this price ?!

    * You can pretty much always buy a lower cost alternative to a premium product - But the major caveat is that for something that requires a high level of engineering and electronic expertise in its implementation then buying cheap would most likely be a poor investment as it probably not reasonable to expect it to be done to a high enough standard to work well or last any length of time.

    I went for the McCulloch Rob R1000 with the above logic in mind but on assurances that its effectively a rebadged Husqvarna, ie you're getting all of the quality parts and design for a great price - I'm in early days of ownership but others on here are running there's over multiple seasons and are very happy.

    My guess is that Husqvarna know there's a large market there at this price point that they hadn't been reaching but still wanted a slice of - Rebadging allows them to effectively carve a slice of that pie by selling at this lower price without devaluing their long-established Husqvarna Automower brand.

    The Rob R1000 has every bit of functionality I need and not much beyond that - They seemed to aim at providing a solid performer with all the essentials on board.

    I paid €695 and it was delivered the very next day - Also included was an installation kit, 200 Meters of cable, 400 fixing pegs, 3M connectors etc - I think that's outstanding value



    - How could one have the mower cross a tarmac driveway, i.e.: i can't leave the cable on the surface or it won't last long, and obviously don't want to dig it up. I presume there is no other 'trick' i a missing!? (approx. 100m2 of the garden is on the 'other' side of the driveway).

    * I'm not qualified to advise on this really but I would say that it's well worth looking into due to the benefits involved. I'd recommend phoning your trusted tarmac Contractor and asking about cutting two or three channels for laying wire and then resealing it effectively so that the repair will last well over time.

    Automowers usually cross the driveway in a channel of a certain width and treat it as though it was part of your lawn - ie zig-zagging about and thinking they're cutting grass - Obviously the big concern here is the mower getting hit by a car.

    I'm actually unsure if there are ways to make the Mower cross more effectively by mapping out this area in the driveway via GPS or similar - Hopefully someone else can clarify for you. I can confirm that the McCulloch Rob R1000 does not have GPS etc but it does have timers so you could opt to not have it running during certain times of day and so on.

    Finally there's a lot of people who will address this situation by using the mower in manual mode for a cut off lawn. This means that you drop in the mower into this section and it cuts away until eventually the battery dies, then you pick it up and carry it to the charging station, it can be set to go out automatically then after a full charge so you can just place it and leave. Opinions vary on this from what I've seen, some people say its a ridiculous and terrible imposition that they couldn't ever consider and others say they've been doing it for years and it's not the least bit of bother..... Something to think about.

    PS - Its important to note that for the manual operation you still need to get two wires across your tarmac somehow to have a loop signal in place - Its just that there's never a situation where you've an Automower on the driveway being smashed to pieces by your postman's van!



    - I trust spreading fertiliser isn't a problem.... i.e.: the blades aren't so delicate that constantly hitting the little grains of fertiliser for a few days would do damage ? (i usually spread twice or 3 times a year .... my biggest decision point is probably that i will no longer have a striped lawn :-( with the robot mower!

    Fertilizer granules would not be any issue whatsoever, I did my lawn on Sunday with one of those broadcast spreaders, the granules seemed to settle well below cutting height - regardless the spinning blades would just help them break down a bit quicker.

    I get your angle on the classic striped lawn allright - BUT when you've an Automower running well your lawn always looks amazing with perfectly manicured grass - Even early on or late into the season when you wouldn't be able to use a tractor or even push mower - This would be far more advantageous in my opinion.

    Answers added to your quote above - I'm open to correction or contradiction on all points made !


  • Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭searay


    My Husqvarna crosses the tarmac to the second lawn. - You need to have a single crossing ideally where there's minimal chance of a car hitting it. In my case it's close to the garage.

    3 wires are required - Left perimeter and right perimeter and the guide wire down the centre.

    The installer cut three lines in the tarmac c 3mm wide with a Con-Saw,put the wires down and sealed in with a black silicon type sealant.

    You don't need a tarmac contractor, just somebody who is comfortable using a Com-Saw. (Not me!)


  • Registered Users Posts: 192 ✭✭Bungusbeefcake


    searay wrote: »
    My Husqvarna crosses the tarmac to the second lawn. - You need to have a single crossing ideally where there's minimal chance of a car hitting it. In my case it's close to the garage.

    3 wires are required - Left perimeter and right perimeter and the guide wire down the centre.

    The installer cut three lines in the tarmac c 3mm wide with a Con-Saw,put the wires down and sealed in with a black silicon type sealant.

    You don't need a tarmac contractor, just somebody who is comfortable using a Com-Saw. (Not me!)

    I also did this myself. Same deal. I lifted the kerbs on both sides, flipped them and then cut a track in the kerbs and across the tarmac to the other side. Outbound side first. I did one side at a time so I could lay the full perimeter of the other side. Once cut, I lay the wire the full length across to the grass, used old wooden pegs to pin the cable in the track while I piped in the black silicone across. After laying the perimeter of the other zone, I then cut the return side in the kerbs and across the drive, then lay the wire and piped the silicone in the same fashion.

    Mine only required a perimeter wire and no guide wire, but you could do that as well easy enough. It's a fairly easy job to be honest. Use a piece of twine to mark out a straight line across the driveway, otherwise you'll end up like my first line....a bit wavy..


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  • Registered Users Posts: 228 ✭✭blast06


    Super comments and feedback - thanks folks. I've gone ahead and ordered it.

    I'm conflicted on the kerbs .... i have 300mm by 120mm by 120mm limestone block kerbs all along both sides of my driveway - garden is level to the top of the kerb and then an approx 90mm drop from the top of the kerb to the driveway on both sides.

    And the 'fear' of some courier van or other driving over it - albeit i guess if i weighed up the probability of a car/van driving up or down the driveway during the few seconds the mower crosses a few times per day coupled with the probability of the driver not seeing it.... probably bigger chance of getting a blood clot from a vaccine :D


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