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Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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  • #4232
    Wallander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 258 ✭✭Wallander


    Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »
    Has anyone got a link to a reputable source of all the current variants and their origins? I'd be interested in comparing this to the MHQ list as all the talk seems to be about variants? For example Italy. I haven't heard of any variant there, I assume they are on the list due to their high numbers?


    Someone has done a useful summary on Twitter:


    https://twitter.com/LGradaigh/status/1381378995988627457


    If his information is correct, the quarantine list is basically as clear as mud, and a lot more legal challenges should be expected once EU countries are added.


  • #4233
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,682 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Variants schmariants

    https://twitter.com/telegraph/status/1381234655257575425?s=21


  • #4234
    Jack1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    faceman wrote: »
    Variants schmariants

    https://twitter.com/telegraph/status/1381234655257575425?s=21

    I think I've increased my prospects of visiting London from 1 to 2 trips in Q2.


  • #4235
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mmclo wrote: »
    If golfers get the exemption the courts will certainly strike down MHQ

    On what basis? What law or specific part of the constitution?


  • #4236
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    faceman wrote: »
    Variants schmariants

    https://twitter.com/telegraph/status/1381234655257575425?s=21

    Anything they can to keep this scam going.


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  • #4237
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    RedPaddyX wrote: »
    I was 100% convinced you are a WUM and to be fair you are succeeding in annoying pretty much everyone on the thread. You are effectively admitting it here. :)

    I’d be congratulating you if the risks weren’t so serious to Irish economy, aviation/tourism sectors, international reputation and stripping of our fundamental rights but by bit.




    Not at all. Sure facts can be entertaining too. Education and learning are fun! Especially if you can make a game of it.



    Of the potential channels that might influence global pandemic strategy across the globe, posting on boards.ie might not have too much direct influence. I mean I may be wrong, but that is my assumption. Given that, there is no point taking things too seriously or getting too upset over what is and is not here. As a famous philosopher (almost) said a long time ago, actually BC, - despite all your rage, you are still just a rat in a cage!



    'Tis handy though to share ideas of where we'd like to go when travel is allowed!


  • #4238
    RedPaddyX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭RedPaddyX


    Listening to David McWilliams podcast earlier - some very interesting stats, eg

    - Ireland has lowest old people demographic in Europe, ie our vulnerable pop is way lower
    - we spend the most per head of population on our health service. Yet still have by far lowest number of ICU beds per pop.
    - we have locked down for longer than nearly every other country (231days vs 41days in Denmark for example)

    In other words our handling of this has been a disaster/poor. And our health service is grossly mismanaged. And we’ve also destroyed - continue to even further destroy our economy.

    https://overcast.fm/+SE4yimgo0


  • #4239
    RedPaddyX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭RedPaddyX


    Wallander wrote: »
    Someone has done a useful summary on Twitter:


    https://twitter.com/LGradaigh/status/1381378995988627457


    If his information is correct, the quarantine list is basically as clear as mud, and a lot more legal challenges should be expected once EU countries are added.

    Exactly my concern - a vague murky rationale for MHQ country selection means no transparency or accountability on who gets selected and how long we keep it in place. Precisely why I’m so concerned with this idiocy. It could be in place indefinitely for years.


  • #4240
    embraer170
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,447 ✭✭✭embraer170


    RedPaddyX wrote: »
    - we spend the most per head of population on our health service. Yet still have by far lowest number of ICU beds per pop.


    https://overcast.fm/+SE4yimgo0

    It is probably true but I find it hard to believe.


  • #4241
    RedPaddyX
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭RedPaddyX


    embraer170 wrote: »
    It is probably true but I find it hard to believe.

    Just checked it again for exact stats - We spend the fourth most per head on health in the EU.

    Yet Ireland has the 3rd LOWEST ICU bed capacity in world (maybe OECD?). Just above Mexico. For example, Germany has 38.9 ICU beds per 100k, vs 5 per 100k in Ireland.


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  • #4242
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    it was raised in the early 2000's by the HSE that a least 550 ICU beds were needed to future proof the health service...

    Pre-covid we were lucky to have 200.... during the COVID surge, 350 were in use


  • #4243
    Jack1985
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,509 ✭✭✭Jack1985


    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1381695507735674884?s=20

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1381234655257575425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1381234655257575425%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2058158871page%3D284

    Polar opposites, using VOCs as weapons against elected leadership. I'm so sick sh*t of how depressing they've made this country, the sooner NPHET are gone the better.

    It's truly an utter embarrassment at this stage.


  • #4244
    Feria40
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Feria40


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1381695507735674884?s=20

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1381234655257575425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1381234655257575425%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2058158871page%3D284

    Polar opposites, using VOCs as weapons against elected leadership. I'm so sick sh*t of how depressing they've made this country, the sooner NPHET are gone the better.

    It's truly an utter embarrassment at this stage.

    A Fourth wave of infection.

    Whether there is or there isn't, the key word in that sentence is Infection NOT Deaths.

    No one knows how long Covid will be sticking around for but I thought it was generally accepted that it was going to be a while yet.

    With more and more of the at risk groups being vacinated surely all we can do is get on with life while keeping an eye out for bonified variants of concern ( in common with health organisations globally)


  • #4245
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    RedPaddyX wrote: »
    Just checked it again for exact stats - We spend the fourth most per head on health in the EU.

    Yet Ireland has the 3rd LOWEST ICU bed capacity in world (maybe OECD?). Just above Mexico. For example, Germany has 38.9 ICU beds per 100k, vs 5 per 100k in Ireland.




    But that issue has been there for decades. It's not the fault of NPHET or anyone within the last 12 months


  • #4246
    Donald Trump
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,325 ✭✭✭✭Donald Trump


    Jack1985 wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1381695507735674884?s=20

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1381234655257575425?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1381234655257575425%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.boards.ie%2Fvbulletin%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D2058158871page%3D284

    Polar opposites, using VOCs as weapons against elected leadership. I'm so sick sh*t of how depressing they've made this country, the sooner NPHET are gone the better.

    It's truly an utter embarrassment at this stage.




    Although previous warning which were not heeded turned out to be accurate


  • #4247
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    RedPaddyX wrote: »
    - we spend the most per head of population on our health service. Yet still have by far lowest number of ICU beds per pop.

    The HSE is long over due for an audit. Billions go into this and it still woefully under performs,scandals,etc. Its about time we found out where all that money is going.


  • #4248
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Donald Trump wrote: »
    But that issue has been there for decades. It's not the fault of NPHET.

    That's what happens when you hollow it out with jobs for the boys. Crony contracts cost lives.

    Check it out.

    https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/sites/default/files/20170928_study_on_healthcare_corruption_en.pdf

    In the SCH1 we identified six typologies of corruption in the selected healthcare areas on the basis of desk research and more than 100 interviews, as well as an analysis of 86 cases of corruption (see Figure 1.1):
    •  bribery in medical service delivery;
    •  procurement corruption;
    •  improper marketing relations;
    •  misuse of (high) level positions;
    •  undue reimbursement claims;
    •  fraud and embezzlement of medicines and medical devices (not included in
    • Figure 1.1)
    .


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  • #4249
    Mekhi Clean Teaspoonful
    Posts: 99 ✭✭ Mekhi Clean Teaspoonful


    Wallander wrote: »
    Someone has done a useful summary on Twitter:


    https://twitter.com/LGradaigh/status/1381378995988627457


    If his information is correct, the quarantine list is basically as clear as mud, and a lot more legal challenges should be expected once EU countries are added.

    Bravo, clearly shows the USA shouldn’t be there,


  • #4250
    VeryWise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25 ✭VeryWise


    If elite athletes are to be exempt then the MHQ is clearly not to stop variants. The variant only needs to get in once, so if you are going to intern hundreds or maybe thousands of people to prevent this, why chance it with athletes?

    Of course this isn’t about variants at all, it is a nonsense power trip/ PR exercise/ I don’t know what. There were many things I disagreed with during this, but I could somewhat see the other point of view. But this is just broken, you either need MHQ to stop variants in which case you can’t have exceptions or you don’t need it and shouldn’t be using it.


  • #4251
    Crybabygeeks
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 256 ✭✭Crybabygeeks


    VeryWise wrote: »
    If elite athletes are to be exempt then the MHQ is clearly not to stop variants. The variant only needs to get in once, so if you are going to intern hundreds or maybe thousands of people to prevent this, why chance it with athletes?

    Of course this isn’t about variants at all, it is a nonsense power trip/ PR exercise/ I don’t know what. There were many things I disagreed with during this, but I could somewhat see the other point of view. But this is just broken, you either need MHQ to stop variants in which case you can’t have exceptions or you don’t need it and shouldn’t be using it.

    Just followed up with one of my local TDs who responded to my original email with this exact point. It cannot be one rule for one group and another for another. The credibility of the system fails.


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  • #4252
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,078 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Not surprisingly, Ireland are not one of the 13.

    https://www.total-croatia-news.com/travel/52087-croatia-and-12-other-eu-countries-agree-on-green-tourist-passport


  • #4253
    Ray Donovan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,030 ✭✭✭Ray Donovan


    josip wrote: »
    Not surprisingly, Ireland are not one of the 13.

    https://www.total-croatia-news.com/travel/52087-croatia-and-12-other-eu-countries-agree-on-green-tourist-passport

    Does this put paid to the idea that the Green Cert was going to be our hope for travel this Summer?


  • #4254
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    josip wrote: »
    Not surprisingly, Ireland are not one of the 13.

    https://www.total-croatia-news.com/travel/52087-croatia-and-12-other-eu-countries-agree-on-green-tourist-passport


    It was never going to happen.


  • #4255
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,078 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    Does this put paid to the idea that the Green Cert was going to be our hope for travel this Summer?


    May not put paid to it, but confirms the suspicion that if Ireland are to partake in it, NPHET will have to be dragged into it kicking and screaming.
    They'll probably try to drag their heels long enough that by the time they are forced to join, it will be too late.
    It's not a surprise that all the Med countries are on it and that the Germans are on it too, for them a summer sun holiday is an inalienable right.
    But it's incredible to think that so many EU countries, including Ireland, don't want their citizens to enjoy the summer.


  • #4256
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,275 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Another case before the high court

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1381724001014325255


  • #4257
    bluelamp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭bluelamp


    Crybabygeeks wrote: »
    Just followed up with one of my local TDs who responded to my original email with this exact point. It cannot be one rule for one group and another for another. The credibility of the system fails.

    Im completely against mandatory hotel quarantine - but I want every single elite athlete coming back from matches, every politicians back from Brussels etc to do have to do it now, since its apparently about variants.

    Watch it fail then.

    Quarantine for the plebs, but not rugby players or politicians.

    Give me a break... people calling for more of this misery need their head examined.

    Sad people living sad existences. Waiting for their ruler to give them permission to visit their friend in a back garden.


  • #4258
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,553 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Ray Donovan wrote: »
    Does this put paid to the idea that the Green Cert was going to be our hope for travel this Summer?

    No, it's just a few countries coming together to submit a proposal to the commission. They all agree on the criteria for what they would like to see. They now submit this for consideration as part of the overall plans.

    The commission are the ones who will set out the processes surrounding a green cert etc for members to implement


  • #4259
    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    bluelamp wrote: »
    Im completely against mandatory hotel quarantine - but I want every single elite athlete coming back from matches, every politicians back from Brussels etc to do have to do it now, since its apparently about variants.

    Watch it fail then.

    Quarantine for the plebs, but not rugby players or politicians.

    Give me a break... people calling for more of this misery need their head examined.

    Sad people living sad existences. Waiting for their ruler to give them permission to visit their friend in a back garden.


    Tells you everything that you need to know about this virus. If it was really that deadly then there would be no room for "One rule for Me. One rule for Thee" selective enforcement.

    When the People who were telling us to "Stay at home or you'll kill grandma" were cheering on the BLM protests lat year that should have been the clue that this virus is [and even the "muh variants" aren't deadly either] nowhere near as deadly as they're making it out to be.


  • #4260
    irishproduce
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    Tells you everything that you need to know about this virus. If it was really that deadly then there would be no room for "One rule for Me. One rule for Thee" selective enforcement.

    When the People who were telling us to "Stay at home or you'll kill grandma" were cheering on the BLM protests lat year that should have been the clue that this virus is [and even the "muh variants" aren't deadly either] nowhere near as deadly as they're making it out to be.

    Don't overlook the fact that the media are biased also.
    They have views and agendas they want to push and when covid is inconvenient then it can be looked past temporarily in order for the right message to be broadcast. Such as in the case of the "desired' protests.


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  • #4261
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,645 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    On the” so-called “ vaccine passports

    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1381701894846959621?s=21

    “”Dr Glynn said there's ongoing work at EU level around the development of a vaccine certificate and Ireland is actively involved in that process.””


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