What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

12-04-2021 01:43PM

Timfy wrote: »

Mmmm... I wonder where that leaves myself and people in a similar situation.

I'm 54 yrs old and received my first AZ jab two weeks ago (I have a fairly severe auto immune disorder)

Will we still be called for the second dose or will we be put back on the list to await another option?

There's still some time until your second dose is due, by then I'm sure there will be much more data on the AZ clotting risks as well as the impact of mixing vaccines.

Wolf359f · 12-04-2021 01:43PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

AFAIAA,the current HSE practice is NOT to make recipients aware of the actual Vaccine they are recieving.

I do value having some form of say in whatever types of medications are being administered to me,however I equally agree that many people could not care less,as long as it cures the ailment or allows them renewed access to normality (of a sort yet to be decided ?)

So yes ,this principle of "Informed Consent",without fear of imposed repercussions should be fully practiced.

What kind of rubbish is this. Do the vaccinators hide the vial under the table while drawing a dose?
You're told what vaccine it is, it's on the little card you get, you also get a pamphlet unique to the vaccine you have been given. I'm sure it also appears on the consent form.

MrMusician18 · 12-04-2021 01:45PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

What kind of rubbish is this. Do the vaccinators hide the vial under the table while drawing a dose?
You're told what vaccine it is, it's on the little card you get, you also get a pamphlet unique to the vaccine you have been given. I'm sure it also appears on the consent form.

I presume the poster means that you don't get a choice (aware in advance). You get what ever they are dispensing on the day.

brendanwalsh · 12-04-2021 01:51PM

This vaccine is worthless guys.

Pfizer and moderna and ram the rest.

Anyone who got their first Az shot left in a precarious place now

brickster69 · 12-04-2021 01:52PM

So first AZ was not to be used for over 65's and now it is only to be used on over 65's. Both contrary to EMA, MHRA and WHO guidelines. What's the point of these regulators if everyone just ignores the advice they give.

sundodger5 · 12-04-2021 01:55PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

I presume the poster means that you don't get a choice (aware in advance). You get what ever they are dispensing on the day.

It says what you are getting in the text they send with your appointment details.

ddarcy · 12-04-2021 01:57PM

Flying Fox wrote: »

Common sense decision and it's in line with most of our peers. I'm a bit surprised they've gone as high as 60 but clearly they feel it's warranted.

I thought 50 would be a good starting point as it would be given time to do more research. Surprised by 60, but in fairness the 60+ cohort will probably take until mid May to complete at best.

ddarcy · 12-04-2021 02:00PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

What kind of rubbish is this. Do the vaccinators hide the vial under the table while drawing a dose?
You're told what vaccine it is, it's on the little card you get, you also get a pamphlet unique to the vaccine you have been given. I'm sure it also appears on the consent form.

They used to tell you before you came in what you were getting. This is the text I got anyways, not sure if this has changed:

“ [ddarcy], you are scheduled for the 1st dose of the AstraZeneca Covid 19 Vaccine on [date] at [location]
Please bring photo ID, PPS Number & mobile phone number.

Will you attend this appointment? Please reply YES or NO to this message.

Please contact your GP if you have any queries in relation to the vaccine. Do not attend if you have any symptoms of Covid 19.”

fly_agaric · 12-04-2021 02:01PM

brickster69 wrote: »

Novovax started producing round the clock last month and that should be on stream soon.

https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/production-novavax-vaccine-gets-under-20237098

It comes at a time when the UK is expecting to see a slowing down of the vaccination programme from next month, amid EU delays of the AstraZeneca jab.

:rolleyes: Sigh, my laughter therapy for the day anyway.

shanec1928 · 12-04-2021 02:02PM

ddarcy wrote: »

They used to tell you before you came in what you were getting. This is the text I got anyways, not sure if this has changed:

“ [ddarcy], you are scheduled for the 1st dose of the AstraZeneca Covid 19 Vaccine on [date] at [location]
Please bring photo ID, PPS Number & mobile phone number.

Will you attend this appointment? Please reply YES or NO to this message.

Please contact your GP if you have any queries in relation to the vaccine. Do not attend if you have any symptoms of Covid 19.”

they still do. i got mine today. well under 60 so interested to see where that leaves me now if this will still be in place by the time my second dose is due.

12-04-2021 02:03PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

What kind of rubbish is this. Do the vaccinators hide the vial under the table while drawing a dose?
You're told what vaccine it is, it's on the little card you get, you also get a pamphlet unique to the vaccine you have been given. I'm sure it also appears on the consent form.

I pretty much think its illegal not to make the recipient aware of medications they are receiving except in a medical emergency.

Youngest got their MMR and 4-1 booster over the Easter break. It was clearly identifiable that one was manufactured by Sanofi and the other by GSK.

12-04-2021 02:07PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

This vaccine is worthless guys.

Pfizer and moderna and ram the rest.

Anyone who got their first Az shot left in a precarious place now

Sensationalist nonsense.

There have literally been over 200 million AZ doses given worldwide.

These clotting events have occurred in an absolutely minuscule proportion of those who received it.

PatrickSmithUS · 12-04-2021 02:09PM

manus35 wrote: »

Do you think it is fair that somebody in the vulnerable group who has previously suffered an acquired brain injury and stroke is offered the AZ vaccine when they are terrified of even the slightest possibility of suffering another one,

No definitely not fair. but today news that it might be keep to over 60s should alleviate some of that fear.

embraer170 · 12-04-2021 02:19PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

This vaccine is worthless guys.

Pfizer and moderna and ram the rest.

Anyone who got their first Az shot left in a precarious place now

There is some evidence to say mixing doses is good, especially against variants. A shot of AZ with a shot of something else might put people in a pretty good place.

stephenjmcd · 12-04-2021 02:24PM

embraer170 wrote: »

There is some evidence to say mixing doses is good, especially against variants. A shot of AZ with a shot of something else might put people in a pretty good place.

There's not that much evidence at all, it's only in the trial phase. It's a big risk given it's not backed by regulators at all yet and likely won't be for another while.

brickster69 · 12-04-2021 02:26PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There's not that much evidence, it's only in the trial phase. It's a big risk given it's not backed by regulators at all yet and likely won't be for another while.

Well Macron is up for it, so it must be ok. Follow the leader

https://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/france-advises-vaccine-mixing-amid-clotting-fears-76971560

brickster69 · 12-04-2021 02:30PM

It's like watching a carry on film honestly. Anyway i am off for a couple of pint's down the pub.

brendanwalsh · 12-04-2021 02:37PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

Sensationalist nonsense.

There have literally been over 200 million AZ doses given worldwide.

These clotting events have occurred in an absolutely minuscule proportion of those who received it.

Tell that to the families of young healthy woman who have died of cerebral blood clots

FileNotFound · 12-04-2021 02:40PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Tell that to the families of young healthy woman who have died of cerebral blood clots

Didn't think it was entirely women no?

I understood the reason females were prominent was that they are prominent in the groups to have received the vaccine i.e more females in health care settings etc.

Mind you I may be misinformed on this point?

12-04-2021 02:41PM

You couldnt make up the incompetence.

Not safe for over 70s

Not safe for under 60s.

There goes the 80% vaccinated by June.

They are determined not to let us recover.

They are spinless.

We will not have enough arms for az now.

1 milliin doses q2.

Too small a cohort 60s only.

I really dislike this goernment/niac/nphet.

This bureauracy is tolerable in normal times. Its a national emegency. One person in over 200,000 got a blood clot in brain and is recovering. Totally disproprtionate response. I could understand if we were swimming in pfzier jabs. We are not.

We are paying for our claim culture now.

Zipppy · 12-04-2021 02:49PM

I got call earlier offering vaccine in Aviva on Thursday, said a text would follow..it would have been the AZ. As I'm under 60 I assume that's postponed and TBH I am thrilled as I have issues with high platelet count and was very concerned I'd be getting the AZ one..
I'll wait for Pfizer..

astrofool · 12-04-2021 02:52PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You couldnt make up the incompetence.

Not safe for over 70s

Safe, but missing data on the efficacy

Deleted User wrote: »

Not safe for under 60s.

Following clotting issues that were reported quickly by other EU countries, but reported slowly by the UK (for whatever reason)

Deleted User wrote: »

There goes the 80% vaccinated by June.

They are determined not to let us recover.

They are spinless.

We will not have enough arms for az now. 1 milliin doses q2.

Too small a cohort 60s only.

AZ has been making up a smaller % of vaccines as time has gone on, mostly due to f*ck ups by AZ, but now due to issues with the medicine itself. Most vaccinated in Q2 will be from Pfizer.

12-04-2021 02:53PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You couldnt make up the incompetence.

Not safe for over 70s

Not safe for under 60s.

There goes the 80% vaccinated by June.

They are determined not to let us recover.

They are spinless.

We will not have enough arms for az now.

1 milliin doses q2.

Too small a cohort 60s only.

I really dislike this goernment/niac/nphet.

This bureauracy is tolerable in normal times. Its a national emegency. One person in over 200,000 got a blood clot in brain and isv ecovering. Totally disproprtionatecresponse. I could understand if we were swimming in pfzier jabs. We are not.

Parklife

12-04-2021 02:54PM

Zipppy wrote: »

I got call earlier offering vaccine in Aviva on Thursday, said a text would follow..it would have been the AZ. As I'm under 60 I assume that's postponed and TBH I am thrilled as I have issues with high platelet count and was very concerned I'd be getting the AZ one..
I'll wait for Pfizer..

Ironically the type of thrombosis associated with the AZ vaccine is due to an immune response that drives low platelet count

stephenjmcd · 12-04-2021 02:58PM

Zipppy wrote: »

I got call earlier offering vaccine in Aviva on Thursday, said a text would follow..it would have been the AZ. As I'm under 60 I assume that's postponed and TBH I am thrilled as I have issues with high platelet count and was very concerned I'd be getting the AZ one..
I'll wait for Pfizer..

You'll just have to wait for follow up contact depending on what's decided.

They could well say for high risk that it should still be given.

Wait and see

12-04-2021 02:58PM

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Tell that to the families of young healthy woman who have died of cerebral blood clots

Every single medicinal agent from aspirin to advanced cancer therapies carry risks that can be difficult to predict.

With regards to this vaccine these events are so extremely rare that clinical trials with c. 50,000 patients revealed no indications of this - it’s literally only become visible now that patients vaccinated are numbering in the hundreds of millions.

Obviously it’s tragic that these people died but your response is over emotional and childish honestly - what do you have to say to the thousands upon thousands of people who received this vaccine with no ill effect that would otherwise have succumbed to covid 19 and died?

weisses · 12-04-2021 02:59PM

Timfy wrote: »

Mmmm... I wonder where that leaves myself and people in a similar situation.

I'm 54 yrs old and received my first AZ jab two weeks ago (I have a fairly severe auto immune disorder)

Will we still be called for the second dose or will we be put back on the list to await another option?

AFAIK the clotting issues happened after receiving the first dose ..So in theory you should be okay for the second one

Zipppy · 12-04-2021 03:01PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ironically the type of thrombosis associated with the AZ vaccine is due to an immune response that drives low platelet count

The response appears to utilise a large volume of platelets to form a clot resulting in lower level of platelets as many have bene used in clot formation process..there's still a clot and clots use platelets of which I have loads ...More research required methinks...

12-04-2021 03:05PM

Batrachotox wrote: »

Every single medicinal agent from aspirin to advanced cancer therapies carry risks that can be difficult to predict.

With regards to this vaccine these events are so extremely rare that clinical trials with c. 50,000 patients revealed no indications of this - it’s literally only become visible now that patients vaccinated are numbering in the hundreds of millions.

Obviously it’s tragic that these people died but your response is over emotional and childish honestly - what do you have to say to the thousands upon thousands of people who received this vaccine with no ill effect that would otherwise have succumbed to covid 19 and died?

The point is that we have other vaccines available that are not causing deaths in otherwise healthy people. Not to mention that the age groups most affected by the clotting issue are very unlikely to die from covid.

12-04-2021 03:10PM

astrofool wrote: »

Safe, but missing data on the efficacy. Basically they made the wrong judgement call and gave wrong vaccine to wrong cohort. Uk happily gave to over 60's/70's

Following clotting issues that were reported quickly by other EU countries, but reported slowly by the UK (for whatever reason). 19 people died of blood clots to brain. These vaccines in any given day saved multiples of this amount and will continue to.UKs slow admissions probably saved thousands of lives in their country at this time.

AZ has been making up a smaller % of vaccines as time has gone on, mostly due to f*ck ups by AZ, but now due to issues with the medicine itself. Most vaccinated in Q2 will be from Pfizer. Unless this reversed in time, everyone will be waiting longer for a vaccine. I would take Az in morning.

If 5 people in ireland where to die of this due to AZ limited to say over 30's, it would have saved hundreds of lives from covid, thousands of businesses. NIAC/NPHET/Govt with regards dealing with AZ, fiddling while Rome burns.[/B]

What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

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