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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭Hontou


    I think the OP is itching for the satisfaction they may feel from telling the d...head production manager where to go. Justifiably. You can do this professionally. In the exit interview, be very grateful for all you have learned in the company and say you have learned so much from your supervisors etc. If they ask, which they should, what could be improved or something along those lines, then politely say that you would change some administration processes to save time and encourage more motivation of the hard working staff. That might indirectly make it clear that there is a problem up the line. (They probably know). Then go to the production manager and thank them so much for all their help which enabled you to move and progress. They probably hate their job and are mad jealous of you moving.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 7,785 Mod ✭✭✭✭delly


    I recently came across a toxic person last year who I dealt with over 10 years ago in another job. As said earlier, if you were moving country or a totally different industry, maybe, but you never know who's path you might cross in the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Hontou wrote: »
    I think the OP is itching for the satisfaction they may feel from telling the d...head production manager where to go. Justifiably. You can do this professionally. In the exit interview, be very grateful for all you have learned in the company and say you have learned so much from your supervisors etc. If they ask, which they should, what could be improved or something along those lines, then politely say that you would change some administration processes to save time and encourage more motivation of the hard working staff. That might indirectly make it clear that there is a problem up the line. (They probably know). Then go to the production manager and thank them so much for all their help which enabled you to move and progress. They probably hate their job and are mad jealous of you moving.

    I know generally what you mean and if you do decide to communicate something then often a damning with faint approach can work better.

    But really, no matter what your reasons are, no one actually cares.

    Let it go op, it's the healthiest thing. In 4 weeks time it will be a distant memory.

    Good luck in the new job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭Treppen


    HR aren't brainwashed to ensure the company comes before the employee....it's their job. (never forget that he who pays the piper calls the tune)

    They exist to get the maximum return from employees with the minimum expenditure. (including protecting against legal action etc.)

    Really! You think they'd follow up on an employee's recommendations and concerns! I reckon the only reason they'd do this is to mitigate against any future potential legal action.

    The company pays the HR Piper so they call the tune.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,637 ✭✭✭brightspark


    Treppen wrote: »
    Really! You think they'd follow up on an employee's recommendations and concerns! I reckon the only reason they'd do this is to mitigate against any future potential legal action.

    The company pays the HR Piper so they call the tune.

    Isn't that what I said??


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭Heckler


    km991148 wrote: »
    I know generally what you mean and if you do decide to communicate something then often a damning with faint approach can work better.

    But really, no matter what your reasons are, no one actually cares.

    Let it go op, it's the healthiest thing. In 4 weeks time it will be a distant memory.

    Good luck in the new job.

    Thanks. I'll let it go. Onwards and upwards. Or sideways at least !

    Thanks for all the advice. I'll let ye know how it goes tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭screamer


    I used to think the same op tell them the truth, what should be differ etc, but being honest they don’t care. Now, when I’m leaving somewhere like that I very politely decline an exit interview, when asked why I just tell them that there’s no point


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,035 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Heckler wrote: »
    Not Erin Brockovich. Get real.

    Exactly, you aren't a crusader, you just want to vent at them as you walk out the door. Which is a reason exit interviews aren't a big driver for change, because generally issues raised in them are being raised by people who may have a chip on their shoulder.

    Nothing wrong with venting, but if you are weighing up the pros and cons then it's better to be realistic about why you are doing it, dont dress it up as fighting for future employees unless that is actually true.

    On another note, I am constantly amazed how many people dont understand the function of HR departments. They are literally employed and paid to protect the company interests, calling them "brainwashed" is such a strange statement in that context.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭Heckler


    screamer wrote: »
    I used to think the same op tell them the truth, what should be differ etc, but being honest they don’t care. Now, when I’m leaving somewhere like that I very politely decline an exit interview, when asked why I just tell them that there’s no point

    Never thought of that ! Ta but no thanks. Gonna go with that approach I think !


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Heckler wrote: »
    So just put up with bullying, intimidation, shoddy work practices and incompetence and let whoever comes after deal with it ?

    Say nothing about a nasty, toxic environment because my old boss might be my new boss somewhere down some hypothetical road ?

    You should have stated your grievances whilst you were still working there and spoke to a union rep saying them when your leaving is a bit late surely.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,947 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Heckler wrote: »
    They say don't burn your bridges but I would never go back to this company. I'll draft the usual notice thanking the company etc.

    You may not want to go back there, but that does not mean the people there will not go somewhere else and you will meet them again.

    Many moons ago I knew an asset management team that was lead by a Danish guy, as his leaving party the team decided to be very blunt about what they though of him, after all he was going back to Denmark and they'd never see him again..... big mistake, his new company took over that asset management company six months later and guess who their new boss was.....

    Nothing stays the same, most people move on eventually, no matter what you say it will have no positive impact.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,733 ✭✭✭OMM 0000


    They don't want you to say anything negative. They want the exit interview to be simple and everyone looks good.

    Sure I know "officially" they want to use the exit interview as a way to improve the company, but in reality they don't as it makes work for them and can cause problems.

    Treat it like a job interview - never say anything negative.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 79 ✭✭Dublin Lad2021


    Hi OP,

    Haven't read the entire thread but I think you've made your mind up. Anyways I've conducted exit interviews in a previous company as the HR manager, I like exit interviews, often people have ideas of how to make the company better, I've implemented stuff that was suggested in exit interviews. Exit interviews are generally strictly confidential however I wouldn't trust it to be that way depending on the company and people involved. If you think you can add something productive that you think the company will act on and make things better for your friends and colleagues that remain then yeah absolutely do the exit interview. If the only thing you wish to discuss is bullying etc. I would leave it. Truth be told the company probably knows and doesn't care (my experience) and bullying is difficult to deal with especially if no one is interested in doing formal complaints and interviews over the matter, my company had a huge bullying problem in the UK I reported to directors and they ignored me including people being bullied for their skin colour. They didn't want to touch managers that would be hard to replace. If you really want to tell HR of the bullying problem I guess set up a fake email address and send HR an anonymous email I guess or advise colleagues to complain and agree to be a witness if required but I would probably just drop the bullying thing entirely, the company will find out in time if it's worth holding onto them


  • Posts: 1,077 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Just leave, there is no upside to critizing them as you leave. Ireland is tiny, you'll eventually cross paths with some of these people again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,679 ✭✭✭✭wonski


    Having an experience of "exit interview" in some companies it consists of a chat with the manager and filling up a form (reason for leaving/comments) and that's it. Heckler worked in manufacturing company so it could be that there is no HR involved and the chat will be with one of the bullies ticking the boxes.

    It would depend on the position held at the time of leaving, too.

    This will go into the employee file (without even being read by HR if it even exists) and will be shredded after statutory time passed. That's my experience.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭Hontou


    GT89 wrote: »
    You should have stated your grievances whilst you were still working there and spoke to a union rep saying them when your leaving is a bit late surely.

    Very difficult to do when you are in a job that you are dependent on and scared of your bully boss / poor conditions. The brave whistle-blowers get managed out. The only possible way to air grievances is the exit interview for many. But as others have said here, protect yourself, say nothing.

    Pity that this is our culture and unfortunately saying nothing is the right thing to do. If employees had stood up to/highlighted bad practices in the public service/ banking in this country and been listened to then maybe we wouldn't have so much wasted resources in The Children's Hospital (€1.43bn) or a corrupt stockbrokers or maverick banks.

    OP, I admire your gut feeling of wanting to do something. But protect yourself. Speak with your feet. Onwards and upwards for you. Maybe you will be in a position to offer those good co-workers a job in future and get them out of that toxic workplace.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,277 ✭✭✭km991148


    Well? Did you tell them to go fuk themselves? Out in a blaze of glory?

    Or was it all tea and crumpets and chit chat about the unseasonably cold weather?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭Heckler


    GT89 wrote: »
    You should have stated your grievances whilst you were still working there and spoke to a union rep saying them when your leaving is a bit late surely.

    Don't have a union. I stated my grievances every day to my team lead and supervisor as I was told to do if I had a problem. They both knew exactly where I was coming from but higher than supervisor level the managers don't want to know about it and didn't care about changing anything.

    Anyways notice given. I finish tomorrow week, am training in a replacement. Have a week off and will be starting the new job after the May bank holiday.

    No mention of an exit interview so unlikely to happen.

    I appreciate all the replies. Its just so frustrating to see such poor management and a demoralised workforce.

    Thanks again for all the advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,758 ✭✭✭Treppen


    Heckler wrote: »
    Don't have a union. I stated my grievances every day to my team lead and supervisor as I was told to do if I had a problem. They both knew exactly where I was coming from but higher than supervisor level the managers don't want to know about it and didn't care about changing anything.

    Anyways notice given. I finish tomorrow week, am training in a replacement. Have a week off and will be starting the new job after the May bank holiday.

    No mention of an exit interview so unlikely to happen.

    I appreciate all the replies. Its just so frustrating to see such poor management and a demoralised workforce.

    Thanks again for all the advice.

    Besta luck


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 297 ✭✭Hontou


    Well done on getting your new job. The best thing is to speak with your feet at the end of the day. Thanks for the update. Be positive to the new trainee though, they are probably delighted with themselves for getting the new position.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭Heckler


    Exit interview next week. Per the advice am gonna play nice. Like was said you never know who you might meet down the road.


  • Posts: 7,946 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Heckler wrote: »
    Exit interview next week. Per the advice am gonna play nice. Like was said you never know who you might meet down the road.


    If you could casually shoehorn into a conversation with the toxic manager that you are doing an exit interview to see their reaction. :D


    Might get some satisfaction without any risk.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    Personally i always need to ask favours of former superiors as i work in the same industry. I left on a high note with them and I'm very glad i did. Business is all fakery and power struggles. You might as well exude confidence and pretend you're invincible rather than making yourself uncomfortable and drawing an unpleasant picture of your experiences.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭Heckler


    Interview tomorrow. Yeah life's too short and never know who might be around the corner. Will air a few probs I had but in a constructive way without being nasty or whatnot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,368 ✭✭✭Heckler


    If you could casually shoehorn into a conversation with the toxic manager that you are doing an exit interview to see their reaction. :D


    Might get some satisfaction without any risk.

    No such thing as a casual conversation with them unless you're on the favourite list. I'm not....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Mollydog123


    wonski wrote: »
    And you really think your opinion on exit interview will make them swoop the place and discipline all the people you listed when you left the company?

    Bullying and intimidation are serious accusations, but to only bring it when you are leaving means nothing.

    +1. I'm a production supervisor and if someone said bad things about me in an exit interview it would give me bad vibes about them. Chances are your next job will want to do a phone reference with your previous supervisor so dont burn your bridges. As said above, exit interviews are not going to change anything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,178 ✭✭✭3DataModem


    Don't. It'll feel good for a few minutes, but has no real upside for you.


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