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Irish Championships 2021

  • 24-02-2021 12:12pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭


    With the latest predictions about vaccine rollouts the possibility of the Irish Championships being held this year is very real. It will be great to get back to playing live over the board real chess with proper time limits again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DmanDmythDledge


    Very difficult to predict but it seems like a good chance things will be better this August than last August


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    Very tentative but here’s hoping; dates and venue:
    https://www.icu.ie/events/1409

    Will post a note later tonight or tomorrow on the site with our summer/Irish plan.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10 FairCityFanboy


    If this can't go ahead will it be online?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    If this can't go ahead will it be online?

    NO, it would be ridiculous to hold it online. It is too easy to cheat online.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Yeah, online is fairly meaningless really.

    I presume the thinking at the moment is that there won't be able to be any events before the end of July? (Which I could well understand)

    Nice to have something to look forward to - even for those of who are ineligible :) Hopefully with the vaccine rolling out (and seemingly working), we're into the beginning of the end of all this now.

    Edit - in fact, my question is answered on the ICU site. Efficient! And a very thorough answer.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    Initial details here with some initial entries: https://www.icu.ie/events/1409

    Plan as mentioned above is here; https://www.icu.ie/articles/938


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭RooksPawn


    Any plans for a Senior Championship?

    With priority vaccination for 70+ well advanced now, maybe something would be possible in June or July to warm us up before the Championships proper?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    RooksPawn wrote: »
    Any plans for a Senior Championship?

    With priority vaccination for 70+ well advanced now, maybe something would be possible in June or July to warm us up before the Championships proper?

    That’s one of the events we’d try to get in over summer if possible.


  • Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭Eugene Donohoe


    That’s one of the events we’d try to get in over summer if possible.

    That would be sweet :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭Eugene Donohoe


    Initial details here with some initial entries: https://www.icu.ie/events/1409

    Plan as mentioned above is here; https://www.icu.ie/articles/938

    That's really great. Thanks for your work in these uncertain times.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    A reminder that terms and conditions for the Irish Championships be found here: https://www.icu.ie/articles/670

    I'm proposing two amendments for this year (from last year) and am open to player feedback on these, or if there are any other changes that players would like to see.

    a. In 2020, we had the attached note: (However, for 2020, this will be simplified to 135 minutes + 35 second increment for all moves). We believe this is unnecessary for 2021 and so would revert to the standard time control.

    b. We are amending the following from: "Players rated above 1900 on either of the two lists above are permitted entry. All others must apply for wildcards to the event if they wish to play unless they won a qualifying event or are a past champion. See appendix 1 below."

    to

    "Players rated 1900 or above at any stage since January 2020 on either of the two lists above are permitted entry. All others must apply for wildcards to the event if they wish to play unless they won a qualifying event or are a past champion. See appendix 1 below."


    After 3 days, we have 15 Confirmed Entrants (by ICU rating; FIDE will be used for pairings):

    2343 IM David Fitzsimons

    2311 FM Conor O'Donnell

    2307 IM Mark Quinn

    2296 FM Tarun Kanyamarala

    2280 FM Stephen Brady

    2261 FM Colm Daly

    2178 WIM Trisha Kanyamarala

    2158 FM John Delaney

    2148 CM Shane Melaugh

    2131 FM Daire McMahon

    2035 Peter Carroll

    2032 Kavin Venkatesan

    2009 John McMorrow

    1914 Peter Cafolla

    1880 WFM Diana Mirza


  • Registered Users Posts: 15 dave grant


    We here in Ballyroan Community Chess Club would like to thank the ICU for giving the club the opportunity to host this years Irish Championship. We are working to make the competition as safe as possible for the competitors and to also reassure each player the venue itself will be maintained at the highest standard of cleanliness with full Covid protocols in place. We would appreciate any feed back from last years players/visitors to our venue to aide us make this years competition even better. We would like you to be honest and frank as we are confident we can fulfill the needs of the players.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    dave grant wrote: »
    We here in Ballyroan Community Chess Club would like to thank the ICU for giving the club the opportunity to host this years Irish Championship. We are working to make the competition as safe as possible for the competitors and to also reassure each player the venue itself will be maintained at the highest standard of cleanliness with full Covid protocols in place. We would appreciate any feed back from last years players/visitors to our venue to aide us make this years competition even better. We would like you to be honest and frank as we are confident we can fulfill the needs of the players.

    I thought that everything last year was perfect, I couldn't fault anything. Ample free parking, easy to access from M50, lovely venue, canteen facilities, players well apart in a well lit quiet comfortable room. Everything as safe as could be regarding Covid. I love it as a venue.


  • Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭Eugene Donohoe


    I was there to do photos for the ICU and thought all of your covid precautions were perfect plus very friendly and welcoming. Excellent all round!


  • Registered Users Posts: 271 ✭✭zeitnot


    I was there to do photos for the ICU and thought all of your covid precautions were perfect plus very friendly and welcoming. Excellent all round!

    The photos for the last several years have been outstanding as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 70 ✭✭Eugene Donohoe


    zeitnot wrote: »
    The photos for the last several years have been outstanding as well.

    Thanks for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    Several former Irish Champions in the 100th Irish field already. The clubhouse leader in terms of earliest winners entered is Anthony Doyle who’ll be playing 47 years after his win. 18 entries currently.

    2419 FM Conor E. Murphy

    2343 IM David Fitzsimons

    2311 FM Conor O'Donnell

    2307 IM Mark Quinn

    2296 FM Tarun Kanyamarala

    2280 FM Stephen Brady

    2261 FM Colm Daly

    2178 WIM Trisha Kanyamarala

    2158 FM John Delaney

    2148 CM Shane Melaugh

    2131 FM Daire McMahon

    2046 Anthony Doyle

    2035 Peter Carroll

    2032 Kavin Venkatesan

    2009 John McMorrow

    1966 Adam Collins

    1914 Peter Cafolla

    1880 WFM Diana Mirza


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    Two more former champions entered (and a new top seed), and three other takes us to 23 in total.

    From conversations with a few dozen eligible players, I would categorize the likely entries in 4 tiers:
    21 current entries (may lose 1-2 if restrictions don't allow for travel)
    14 likely entrants (lose 5 if restrictions don't allow for travel)
    24 haven't heard back from but have played an Irish in last 5 years. (lose 1 if restrictions don't allow for travel)
    12 who are about 10-20% likely to play. (lose 1-2 if restrictions don't allow for travel)

    So an eligible playing pool of 71 with travel, maybe 61 without travel. Hard to predict of course but I'd be surprised if we'd a turnout under 40.

    2439 IM Sam E. Collins

    2419 FM Conor E. Murphy

    2343 IM David Fitzsimons

    2311 FM Conor O'Donnell

    2307 IM Mark Quinn

    2296 FM Tarun Kanyamarala

    2280 FM Stephen Brady

    2261 FM Colm Daly

    2178 WIM Trisha Kanyamarala

    2158 FM John Delaney

    2148 CM Shane Melaugh

    2131 FM Daire McMahon

    2046 Anthony Doyle

    2035 Peter Carroll

    2032 Kavin Venkatesan

    2009 John McMorrow

    1966 Adam Collins

    1960 Jonathon Peoples

    1938 CM Gerard MacElligott

    1914 Peter Cafolla

    1880 WFM Diana Mirza

    1858 NM Eamon Keogh

    1763 John P. Aherne


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    Was there some kind of survey sent out? if so then I didn't get it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    sodacat11 wrote: »
    Was there some kind of survey sent out? if so then I didn't get it.

    No survey this year - just details of the event and venue. Some people write back with their likelihood of playing or suggestions etc. I'll send on just so you don't feel left out but nothing you don't already know (but you and a couple of others were already entered by the time I was emailing out for an idea of numbers).


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭macelligott


    There were 32 entrants permitted to play last year. I wonder will the ICU be able to accept more entries this year? Perhaps there is another room that could be used? Positive virus results are currently very high 😕 I hope that this doesn’t derail the event. There is no clear plan yet indicating when indoor gatherings will be allowed - and, indeed, how many will be allowed to gather indoors. My advice to those thinking of playing: don’t wait too long to enter or you might not make the final cut.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 885 ✭✭✭DmanDmythDledge


    Case numbers are up but that’s likely down to increased testing from the walk-in centres - positivity rate is gradually decreasing again. Once no setbacks with vaccine supplies, I think we can be reasonably optimistic for end of summer time.

    I wonder could numbers be extended if conditions re having the vaccine or, if not, have evidence of a test in the days before the tournament begins. Problem with the latter would be continuous testing would be required throughout the tournament due to the length of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭RooksPawn


    Everything should be much clearer by the end of June - either much better or (in the case of new variants resistant to vaccines) much worse.

    Personally, the thought of having to wear a mask throughout a potentially 5-hour session fills me with horror. Maybe the fully vaccinated might not have to wear masks?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Wearing masks isn't all about protecting you though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭macelligott


    Entries so far including FIDE ratings:
    Sam E. Collins IM 2456
    Conor E. Murphy FM 2394
    Mark Quinn IM 2370
    Tarun Kanyamarala FM 2369
    Conor O'Donnell FM 2331
    David Fitzsimons IM 2324
    Stephen Brady FM 2292
    Colm Daly FM 2285
    Joe Ryan FM 2271
    Anthony Doyle 2206
    John Delaney FM 2191
    Trisha Kanyamarala WIM 2180
    Shane Melaugh CM 2161
    Daire McMahon FM 2115
    Peter Carroll CM 2059
    Kavin Venkatesan 2011
    John McMorrow 1997
    Gerard MacElligott CM 1966
    Peter Cafolla 1958
    Jonathon Peoples 1953
    Eamon Keogh NM 1944
    Diana Mirza WFM 1933
    John P. Aherne 1903
    Adam Collins 1887


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭HaraldSchmidt


    RooksPawn wrote: »
    Everything should be much clearer by the end of June - either much better or (in the case of new variants resistant to vaccines) much worse.

    Personally, the thought of having to wear a mask throughout a potentially 5-hour session fills me with horror. Maybe the fully vaccinated might not have to wear masks?

    But, how would you prove that you have been vaccinated? I think until the number of people vaccinated is high and the number of new daily infections is low, everybody should wear a mask.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭macelligott


    Additional entries have been slow to materialize, but we now have 27 entries.
    32 was the maximum allowed last year. Though I believe the ICU hopes to be able to accommodate more entries this year.
    It's good to see, also, there will be a <1300 tournament in the same venue the weekend before the championship.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    But, how would you prove that you have been vaccinated? I think until the number of people vaccinated is high and the number of new daily infections is low, everybody should wear a mask.
    We had this debate last year with some people saying that wearing masks was uncomfortable, gave you asthma, stopped you breathing, made your ears fall off, trapped germs etc etc but as far as I know none of the competitors in last year's championship suffered any long term health problems as a result of wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is not ideal but it is a very small price to pay for being able to participate in a real live over the board tournament again.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    Additional entries have been slow to materialize, but we now have 27 entries.
    32 was the maximum allowed last year. Though I believe the ICU hopes to be able to accommodate more entries this year.

    This time two years ago we had 17 entries so we're in good shape. One entry per week between now and the event and we're at 42 so I wouldn't really expect any flurries of entries except maybe around the times that entry rates are due to rise.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭RooksPawn


    But, how would you prove that you have been vaccinated? I think until the number of people vaccinated is high and the number of new daily infections is low, everybody should wear a mask.

    Proof of being vaccinated is not a problem. Everybody vaccinated in Ireland receives a card showing exactly what they got (including batch number) and when. By the time of the Irish Championships a phone app or some other kind of electronic certificate will probably be in place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭macelligott


    1 GM, 4 IM’s, 1 WIM, 8 FM’s, 2 CM’s, 1 WFM, 1 NM.
    29 entries.
    Looking good so far!


  • Registered Users Posts: 55 ✭✭HaraldSchmidt


    RooksPawn wrote: »
    Proof of being vaccinated is not a problem. Everybody vaccinated in Ireland receives a card showing exactly what they got (including batch number) and when.

    I took a photo of my mother's vaccination card. It's a piece of cardboard with a sticker on it. I could easily make a copy of it, sticking my name and date of birth on it, and nobody would know the difference.

    This is why in the USA, at least, they are giving out some crytographically secure proof of vaccination. It may still be fakeable, but not by anyone at home with a printer and a supply of stationery.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭RooksPawn


    I took a photo of my mother's vaccination card. It's a piece of cardboard with a sticker on it. I could easily make a copy of it, sticking my name and date of birth on it, and nobody would know the difference.

    This is why in the USA, at least, they are giving out some crytographically secure proof of vaccination. It may still be fakeable, but not by anyone at home with a printer and a supply of stationery.

    Evidently you have a fundamental belief in the veniality of your opponents. Do you think they all cheat?

    I reckon that something electronic and secure will be put in place by the time international travel resumes on a large scale. The certificates (or whatever they loom like) will be based on the information in the HSE records, collected by GPs and vaccination centres, and the cards in the meantime will be accepted by whoever wants proof.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    RooksPawn wrote: »
    Evidently you have a fundamental belief in the veniality of your opponents. Do you think they all cheat?
    Evidently you have a fundamental naivety about the honesty of your opponents. Do you think none of them cheat? :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    mikhail wrote: »
    Evidently you have a fundamental naivety about the honesty of your opponents. Do you think none of them cheat? :pac:

    I would guess blunder checking your moves would be nigh on undetectable in online chess, you play your own moves but simply blunder check them before playing. I would guess that's the approach used by many of the undetected cheaters that are out there? thoughts?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,862 ✭✭✭mikhail


    Inquitus wrote: »
    I would guess blunder checking your moves would be nigh on undetectable in online chess, you play your own moves but simply blunder check them before playing. I would guess that's the approach used by many of the undetected cheaters that are out there? thoughts?
    I was just teasing Rookspawn for his confrontational post, and this is a bit off topic, but to answer your question I don't think it'd be undetectable. It probably depends on your propensity to blunder and centipawn loss threshold for changing your move. The higher the former and the lower the latter, the more your average centipawn loss will be statistically strange. I've played through a few games flagged publicly as engine-assisted, and they don't look that strange. I can't imagine how much higher my rating would be if I never made a move that lost more than, say, 0.5 pawns, but you're probably talking hundreds of points. That'll get spotted. Spotted slower than just copying the engine, sure, but it's not invisible.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,762 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    mikhail wrote: »
    I was just teasing Rookspawn for his confrontational post, and this is a bit off topic, but to answer your question I don't think it'd be undetectable. It probably depends on your propensity to blunder and centipawn loss threshold for changing your move. The higher the former and the lower the latter, the more your average centipawn loss will be statistically strange. I've played through a few games flagged publicly as engine-assisted, and they don't look that strange. I can't imagine how much higher my rating would be if I never made a move that lost more than, say, 0.5 pawns, but you're probably talking hundreds of points. That'll get spotted. Spotted slower than just copying the engine, sure, but it's not invisible.

    It would only prevent you blundering tactics I would guess, and one move blunders, but if you keep playing your own candidate moves with that sort of sanity check, I am not sure how detectable it would be, you would still lose your fair share of games, but it would defo prevent 1-2 move blunders that would otherwise cost you a game.

    I think blatant cheating is obvious, as is taking far too long for simple captures and obvious responses etc. when validating obvious moves with an engine, but if done in a minor way it would likely would be hard to detect especially in longer format games.

    The amount of obvious cheating on chess.com verges on the ridiculous, Eric Hansen played at least 2 blatant cheaters in Arena Kings last week, New accounts at IM / GM Elo's and you can see how their play deteriorates from a high level to 1200 level as time runs low, and engine validation becomes impossible due to the time it takes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭macelligott


    Rank ICU Irish Championship 2021 FIDE
    1 2439 Sam E. Collins IM 2456
    2 2369 Alex Baburin GM 2416
    3 2419 Conor E. Murphy FM 2394
    4 2307 Mark Quinn IM 2370
    5 2296 Tarun Kanyamarala FM 2369
    6 2282 Mark Heidenfeld IM 2360
    7 2311 Conor O'Donnell FM 2331
    8 2343 David Fitzsimons IM 2324
    9 2280 Stephen Brady FM 2292
    10 2261 Colm Daly FM 2285
    11 2288 Joe Ryan FM 2271
    12 2046 Anthony Doyle 2206
    13 2158 John Delaney FM 2191
    14 2178 Trisha Kanyamarala WIM 2180
    15 2148 Shane Melaugh CM 2161
    16 2124 Jonathan O'Connor 2153
    17 2131 Daire McMahon FM 2115
    18 2035 Peter Carroll CM 2059
    19 2032 Kavin Venkatesan 2011
    20 2009 John McMorrow 1997
    21 1938 Gerard MacElligott CM 1966
    22 1914 Peter Cafolla 1958
    23 1960 Jonathon Peoples 1953
    24 1858 Eamon Keogh NM 1944
    25 1880 Diana Mirza WFM 1933
    26 1824 Colm Quigley 1924
    27 1763 John P. Aherne 1903
    28 1966 Adam Collins 1887
    29 1805 Conor Nolan 1884
    30 1818 Kevin O'Flaherty 1884


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭macelligott


    I count ten former champions entered in this years event. Most probably a record!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    I count ten former champions entered in this years event. Most probably a record!

    As the great man himself said...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    Champions in bold.

    Collins, Sam E. IM 2456
    Baburin, Alexander GM 2416
    Murphy, Conor E FM 2394
    Quinn, Mark IM 2370
    Kanyamarala, Tarun FM 2369
    Heidenfeld, Mark IM 2360
    O`Donnell, Conor FM 2331
    Fitzsimons, David IM 2324
    Brady, Stephen FM 2292
    Daly, Colm FM 2285
    Ryan, Joseph FM 2271
    Doyle, Anthony 2206
    Delaney, John FM 2191

    Kanyamarala, Trisha WIM 2180
    Melaugh, Shane CM 2161
    O'Connor, Jonathan 2153
    McMahon, Daire FM 2115
    Carroll, Peter CM 2059
    Venkatesan, Kavin 2011
    McMorrow, John 1997
    MacElligott, Gerard CM 1966
    Cafolla, Peter 1958
    Peoples, Jonathon 1953
    Keogh, Eamon 1944
    Mirza, Diana WFM 1933
    Lyons, Brendan 1931
    Quigley,Colm 1924
    Aherne, John P. 1903
    Nolan, Conor 1884
    Kevin O'Flaherty 1884
    Adam Collins 1887


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    Inquitus wrote: »
    I would guess blunder checking your moves would be nigh on undetectable in online chess, you play your own moves but simply blunder check them before playing. I would guess that's the approach used by many of the undetected cheaters that are out there? thoughts?
    I think that anyone who cheats online has serious character defects and possible mental problems and should seek professional help immediately. What possible motive can any sane person have for cheating online?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    I count ten former champions entered in this years event. Most probably a record!
    If everyone listed actually plays it will be a fantastic tournament. Sadly we are all too used to seeing entry lists full of esteemed players then a quarter of them withdraw days before the tournament starts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 383 ✭✭macelligott


    We have already reached the entry total of last year.
    There are now 32 entries :-)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    40 entries as of this morning (10 champions in bold). Not expecting too many more, maybe 10-12. Entries now open for the two weekenders.

    Collins, Sam E. IM 2456
    Baburin, Alexander GM 2416
    Murphy, Conor E FM 2394

    Quinn, Mark IM 2370
    Kanyamarala, Tarun FM 2369
    Heidenfeld, Mark IM 2360
    O`Donnell, Conor FM 2331
    Fitzsimons, David IM 2324
    Delaney, Killian FM 2300
    Brady, Stephen FM 2292
    Daly, Colm FM 2285
    Ryan, Joseph FM 2271
    Doyle, Anthony 2206
    Delaney, John FM 2191

    Kanyamarala, Trisha WIM 2180
    Melaugh, Shane CM 2161
    O'Connor, Jonathan 2153
    McMahon, Daire FM 2115
    Carroll, Peter CM 2059
    Venkatesan, Kavin 2011
    McMorrow, John 1997
    MacElligott, Gerard CM 1966
    Cafolla, Peter 1958
    Peoples, Jonathon 1953
    Casey, Eoghan 1952
    Duffy, Seamus 1945
    Keogh, Eamon 1944
    Tirziman, Rudolf 1941
    Mirza, Diana WFM 1933
    Lyons, Brendan 1931
    Putar, Lara 1930
    Quigley, Colm 1924
    Putar, Leon 1918
    O'Gorman, Alice 1907
    Scott, Luke 1906
    Aherne, John P. 1903
    Collins, Adam 1887
    Nolan, Conor 1884
    O'Flaherty, Kevin 1884
    Moran, Darragh 1859


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,300 ✭✭✭sodacat11


    We certainly have a field worthy of a 100th Irish Championship only Lopez, Jessl, Li and defending champ O'Gorman missing but still plenty of time for them to enter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    sodacat11 wrote: »
    We certainly have a field worthy of a 100th Irish Championship only Lopez, Jessl, Li and defending champ O'Gorman missing but still plenty of time for them to enter.

    I have their odds of playing at something like:
    Lopez - 25-50%, Jessel - 0-10%, Li - 25-50%, O'Gorman - 50-75%.

    Of the unentered, I have 7 probable, 14 maybe, 10 unlikely (then 120 odd that are eligible but presumably won't play)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 7,264 Mod ✭✭✭✭cdeb


    Of the unentered, I have 7 probable, 14 maybe, 10 unlikely (then 120 odd that are eligible but presumably won't play)
    Does this mean there's around 200 players eligible? 40 entered, 30 hopefuls, and 120 others? That's mad. I presume the "others" includes lapsed players, etc? I didn't think it was that high at all.

    Edit - actually, to answer my own question, the FIDE rating list for Ireland - including inactive players - has Richard O'Donovan in 100th with a rating of 2052. So I could well see there being another 100 players down to 1900.

    The Nov 2019 ICU rating list had 1386 players, and was the biggest in recent times. 124th was the 1900 cut-off. So I guess the difference is inactive players, foreign IRL players who've returned home, and 1900 FIDE being lower than 1900 ICU.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Retd.LoyolaCpt


    cdeb wrote: »
    Does this mean there's around 200 players eligible? 40 entered, 30 hopefuls, and 120 others? That's mad. I presume the "others" includes lapsed players, etc? I didn't think it was that high at all.

    Edit - actually, to answer my own question, the FIDE rating list for Ireland - including inactive players - has Richard O'Donovan in 100th with a rating of 2052. So I could well see there being another 100 players down to 1900.

    The Nov 2019 ICU rating list had 1386 players, and was the biggest in recent times. 124th was the 1900 cut-off. So I guess the difference is inactive players, foreign IRL players who've returned home, and 1900 FIDE being lower than 1900 ICU.

    my list is very rough but yes, about 225 eligible. The pool of players who would/could realistically play is maybe 100-110.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭RooksPawn


    cdeb wrote: »
    ...The FIDE rating list for Ireland - including inactive players - has Richard O'Donovan in 100th with a rating of 2052.

    It's unfortunate that 15th on that list is the late Philip Short.


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