Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Corholio wrote: »

Just continue to be nastier by the minute.

Some full of excuses why the guy couldn't see his father and why the vaccinated lady from Israel had to stay in quarantine, and now that both are released, completely upending these said excuses, just turn to bitter digs. Very sad.

Jesus. You are very touchy.


There is nothing wrong with not being a nurse. I'm not a nurse myself.

Donald Trump wrote: »

Jesus. You are very touchy.


There is nothing wrong with not being a nurse. I'm not a nurse myself.

It was the 'put herself in the public eye' bit that I was talking about. Just scrambling around with excuse and all you could find was nasty.

Corholio wrote: »

It was the 'put herself in the public eye' bit that I was talking about. Just scrambling around with excuse and all you could find was nasty.

I don't think that her details were leaked out after a crack surveillance operation, Mossad or equivalent.


She wasn't in the country a wet day and she rang Liveline and had her name and photos in all the papers.




(I'd say she has more paper qualifications and is better paid than a nurse if that matters to you)

Lmkrnr wrote: »

What about people with normal Flu. That could kill an older vulnerable Flyer. Should people with the normal Flu be banned also. What about other conditions people can die from. Its a load of ****e and the cave dweller's probably won't fly anyway.

Totally irrelevant.

Lmkrnr wrote: »

What about people with normal Flu. That could kill an older vulnerable Flyer. Should people with the normal Flu be banned also. What about other conditions people can die from. Its a load of ****e and the cave dweller's probably won't fly anyway.

I'd say you are right. If they are living in a cave then they are either very down on their luck and stuck for money at the minute, or else from Clare.


Either way, MHQ is probably down their list of priorities at the minute.

Corholio wrote: »

What do you think a court is for? To argue if something is legally wrong or right. If they thought they were going to lose then something must be wrong.

Lot of scrambling going on here today.

Who is scrambling?


It is simply likely that, now that Israel is not in the list, that the law was not written in such a way that the mandatory designated hotel quarantine could continue to be enforced for them


They will still need to quarantine at home. So the fella with the father in hospital is still not supposed to visit him.

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Why was Israel on the list in the first place and why was it taken off?

It was on the list due to the presence of VOCs. It was also on many other countries equivalent lists.


It was on Germany's "red" list to until the start of the month. That meant you could not travel from Israel to Germany unless you were a German resident or citizen, or else an EU citizen. Not MHQ. Just no entry.



I know the Germans don't have a great historical record against many of the people who might live in Israel, but they have become a little better over the past few years so I gather it was based off scientific reasons in this instance.

Donald Trump wrote: »

It was on the list due to the presence of VOCs. It was also on many other countries equivalent lists.


It was on Germany's "red" list to until the start of the month. That meant you could not travel from Israel to Germany unless you were a German resident or citizen, or else an EU citizen. Not MHQ. Just no entry.



I know the Germans don't have a great historical record against many of the people who might live in Israel, but they have become a little better over the past few years so I gather it was based off scientific reasons in this instance.

Incredible that Israel sorted out their variants in the space of a week. Fair play to them.

Well I’ve done what I can for now - written long emails to all of my local TDS and councilors and made complaint to the EU.

faceman wrote: »

What are these “further documentation”?

Or maybe the state knows he’s likely to win

I expect to be corrected on this ,but one of the other cases being brought the state admitted that MHQ is a from of detention, on another forum I visit the conscience is that papers peouduced would amount to if in fect MHQ is a form of detention, that prisoners in a state run prison/ detention centre have in the past been given permission to visit diying relatives and even funerals on compassionate grounds.
Would such grace not be given to people in MHQ

ZX7R wrote: »

I expect to be corrected on this ,but one of the other cases being brought the state admitted that MHQ is a from of detention, on another forum I visit the conscience is that papers peouduced would amount to if in fect MHQ is a form of detention, that prisoners in a state run prison/ detention centre have in the past been given permission to visit diying relatives and even funerals on compassionate grounds.
Would such grace not be given to people in MHQ

But they Also released the other Israeli detainee who had no dying relatives or pressing personal matters.

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Albania and St. Lucia too!

Mauritius were on it 2 weeks ago but managed to sort their variants too so were removed from MHQ last week.
Oooh ...... just checked now ... they’re back on mhq. Goodbye logic

namloc1980 wrote: »

Incredible that Israel sorted out their variants in the space of a week. Fair play to them.

Well actually, that is not a necessarily strict logical conclusion. You see, all that happened was that the situation in Israel had been improving over time. When the first list was published, they were over some threshold. When it was updated, they were no longer on it. There were numbers published showing drastic and sustained falls in numbers over there the last month or two.



A country might be on a list for a month or a year or longer. But at some stage it will move off the list. So if you start monitoring it just the day before, it might appear to you that the country was only in that status for a day. That would not mean that they sorted out their problems in a single day.



Ireland was also on Germany's red list too until recently. If I give you the German list from the week before, when Ireland is on their list, and the list from the week after. when Ireland is not on the list, you would be incorrect then to conclude that Ireland had just sorted out its variants in the space of a week.

I like how people argue that it is not a detention centre, but all media write that the 2 people have been "released" today. So they were detained?