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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #5342
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    spakman wrote: »
    Because the fear is a variant will be resistant to the vaccine, and we'll be back to square one (level 5, no vaccine) just when we thought we'd be finally able to reopen society

    So suppression measures to prevent suppression measures

    Should we maintain suppression measures in case a new virus turns up?


  • #5343
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,347 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    But you’re equating us with other western countries there, when in fact we’re a huge outlier. US is reopening, EU countries haven’t had as long of lockdowns or closures as we’ve had - the longest in the Western World. EU countries will also get much more money from the Covid bailout fund, which we will not thanks to our Leprechaun economic figures. Couple this with the Biden corporate tax policy threat and you’ve no economy left to support any restrictions whatsoever.
    Who will continue to bailout all of the closed businesses, those without work? How will we fund the upcoming non Covid health crisis? How will the tourism sector recover if we’re not even discussing vaccinated tourists coming in? Eamon Ryan promoting low cost flights being a thing of the past & for us all to get out our bicycles like good little boys and girls. Take a look at the flight radar - the US is back to normal and then some.
    I don't know the answers to those questions.


  • #5344
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Second jab for Beacon teachers

    MAEVE SHEEHAN

    "Twenty teachers at St Gerard's private school and other vaccine queue-jumpers will receive their second doses of the jab.

    The HSE said it has "a duty of care clinically to administer second doses; therefore, vaccinations will have to be honoured” 12 weeks after their first.

    The teachers were vaccinated out of turn at the invitation of the chief executive of the Beacon private hospital last month."


    If I was one of the teachers, I'd be debating whether the 1st one would suffice! It was Astra vaccine btw.


  • #5345
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    M_Murphy57 wrote: »
    Half way through April and we are still only vaccinating 100k people a week. When is the "ramping up" to 250k people a week that we are "holding firm" for kicking in ?

    The HSE have 180-190k planned this week.

    The 250k plan was originally an average over the 3 months of Q2. Now it’ll be substantially higher in late May and June but closer to 200-210k in May.


  • #5346
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    The greatest illusion Irish media and RTE have created is that Ireland is just like the rest of the world since May 2020 regarding suppression measures

    Nothing is further from reality

    This, this, this!!

    The obvious comparisons drawn up were between us and Sweden while giving the impression lockdown had the same meaning here as everywhere else. Headlines like France goes back into lockdown, justifying our decision to stay in lockdown when their new lockdown afforded things like hairdressers, nonessential shops and outside dining in some cases.
    Even now if we compare ourselves to a known non lockdown country like Sweden there is not the huge difference in outcome we were told there would be.
    History will show us up as having been very silly in our response to all this.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



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  • #5347
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,392 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    This, this, this!!

    The obvious comparisons drawn up were between us and Sweden while giving the impression lockdown had the same meaning here as everywhere else. Headlines like France goes back into lockdown, justifying our decision to stay in lockdown when their new lockdown afforded things like hairdressers, nonessential shops and outside dining in some cases.
    Even now if we compare ourselves to a known non lockdown country like Sweden there is not the huge difference in outcome we were told there would be.
    History will show us up as having been very silly in our response to all this.

    Sweden's mortality rate is 40% higher.


  • #5348
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,305 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    daydorunrun wrote: »
    This, this, this!!

    The obvious comparisons drawn up were between us and Sweden while giving the impression lockdown had the same meaning here as everywhere else. Headlines like France goes back into lockdown, justifying our decision to stay in lockdown when their new lockdown afforded things like hairdressers, nonessential shops and outside dining in some cases.
    Even now if we compare ourselves to a known non lockdown country like Sweden there is not the huge difference in outcome we were told there would be.
    History will show us up as having been very silly in our response to all this.

    I'm afraid your definition of 'not a huge difference in outcome' is very different to mine.


  • #5349
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    Nphet's Mary Horgan -

    "transmission rates outdoors are extremely low. Move away from crowded situations, and limit your number of contacts when you are outside. There is no risk-free environment. But there is a major risk reduction in the outdoors. Taking this in steps in the best approach. This could lead to more opportunity to open up more outdoor activity, including outdoor dining, sooner."

    "She added that there was a lot of positive scientific news emerging that will bolster the reopening of outdoor society. This includes research that now shows there is very little transmission of Covid through contaminated surfaces and objects. Primarily, the virus is spread through respiratory droplets from infected persons, which have much more spreading potential indoors    ."

    All the sanitising/hand washing might be preventing more colds than covid19. I never got into the "washing the shopping" gig though.


  • #5350
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,855 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Nphet's Mary Horgan -

    "transmission rates outdoors are extremely low. Move away from crowded situations, and limit your number of contacts when you are outside. There is no risk-free environment. But there is a major risk reduction in the outdoors. Taking this in steps in the best approach. This could lead to more opportunity to open up more outdoor activity, including outdoor dining, sooner."

    "She added that there was a lot of positive scientific news emerging that will bolster the reopening of outdoor society. This includes research that now shows there is very little transmission of Covid through contaminated surfaces and objects. Primarily, the virus is spread through respiratory droplets from infected persons, which have much more spreading potential indoors    ."

    All the sanitising/hand washing might be preventing more colds than covid19. I never got into the "washing the shopping" gig though.

    Hasnt the outdoor stuff not been known long ago?
    What are they waiting for?


  • #5351
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Nphet's Mary Horgan -

    "transmission rates outdoors are extremely low. Move away from crowded situations, and limit your number of contacts when you are outside. There is no risk-free environment. But there is a major risk reduction in the outdoors. Taking this in steps in the best approach. This could lead to more opportunity to open up more outdoor activity, including outdoor dining, sooner."

    "She added that there was a lot of positive scientific news emerging that will bolster the reopening of outdoor society. This includes research that now shows there is very little transmission of Covid through contaminated surfaces and objects. Primarily, the virus is spread through respiratory droplets from infected persons, which have much more spreading potential indoors    ."

    All the sanitising/hand washing might be preventing more colds than covid19. I never got into the "washing the shopping" gig though.
    Fomite risk really came from colds and flu' where there is a higher risk and was automatically assumed for COVID, apart from being a perfect panic point. They had us in gloves for quite a while too.


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  • #5352
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Hasnt the outdoor stuff not been known long ago?
    What are they waiting for?
    It has but they tweaked it by pointing to the risks of too many people gathering, a far greater NPHET worry. Even with the changes coming, masks are advised.


  • #5353
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Fomite risk really came from colds and flu' where there is a higher risk and was automatically assumed for COVID, apart from being a perfect panic point. They also had us in gloves for quite a while too.

    What I don't understand is HSE has fomites and objects as a way of spreading, while also saying airborne spread isn't much of a concern. They should really update their info.


  • #5354
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Nphet's Mary Horgan -

    "transmission rates outdoors are extremely low. Move away from crowded situations, and limit your number of contacts when you are outside. There is no risk-free environment. But there is a major risk reduction in the outdoors. Taking this in steps in the best approach. This could lead to more opportunity to open up more outdoor activity, including outdoor dining, sooner."

    "She added that there was a lot of positive scientific news emerging that will bolster the reopening of outdoor society. This includes research that now shows there is very little transmission of Covid through contaminated surfaces and objects. Primarily, the virus is spread through respiratory droplets from infected persons, which have much more spreading potential indoors    ."

    All the sanitising/hand washing might be preventing more colds than covid19. I never got into the "washing the shopping" gig though.

    So we can shake hands again but only outdoors?


  • #5355
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    So we can shake hands again but only outdoors?

    No.

    Some people are dirty and don't wash their hands at all.


  • #5356
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    What I don't understand is HSE has fomites and objects as a way of spreading, while also saying airborne spread isn't much of a concern. They should really update their info.
    There is a risk but it's now considered to be very small and needs a lot of things to be true. No harm in encouraging better hygiene anyway.


  • #5357
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    is_that_so wrote: »
    There is a risk but it's now considered to be very small and needs a lot of things to be true. No harm in encouraging better hygiene anyway.

    There is no harm in encouraging better hygiene. But there is harm in not updating their airborne spread section. God forbid we open windows or spend time outdoors.


  • #5358
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    There is no harm in encouraging better hygiene. But there is harm in not updating their airborne spread section. God forbid we open windows or spend time outdoors.
    Send them an email!


  • #5359
    CruelSummer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,342 ✭✭✭CruelSummer


    If Anthony Staines is being given airtime on RTÉ radio right now, I hope he'll be questioned as to his tactics into misleading the Irish public.
    Why are they trying to achieve the unachievable, who gave them unlimited airtime across all media platforms and silenced more moderate views.
    ISAG have made a number of false claims in the last 12 months, including the percentage of children that end up with Long Covid, Gerry Killeen having recently made another false claim on radio.


  • #5360
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Probes wrote: »
    I feel like I'm having to go backwards and forwards on what was a pretty simple point. More people die of the disease when capacity in health care is strained. i.e. the ratio of people with infections vs deaths from the infection changes.
    Which is what I said, anyway moving on.


  • #5361
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Another challenge to MHQ.
    A man who flew home from Israel, when his terminally ill father collapsed and was taken to hospital, has begun High Court proceedings challenging his detention in quarantine.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209125-court-quarantine/


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  • #5362
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,290 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Another challenge to MHQ.



    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209125-court-quarantine/

    Not sure why there isn't already an exemption for cases like that with proof from a doctor say. The appeals process seems fairly vague as is.


  • #5363
    Arturo Delgado
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 93 ✭✭Arturo Delgado


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Another challenge to MHQ.



    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209125-court-quarantine/

    What's stopping him leaving the hotel? If his father is close to death the family will be called at any time. I wouldn't give two hoots about quarantine. Have they (government) considered this?


  • #5364
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Not sure why there isn't already an exemption for cases like that with proof from a doctor say. The appeals process seems fairly vague as is.
    The impression you get is that an appeal will just be rejected out of hand. The system needs to be challenged for legality and robustness.


  • #5365
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,290 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Arturo Delgado wrote: »
    What's stopping him leaving the hotel? If his father is close to death the family will be called at any time. I wouldn't give two hoots about quarantine. Have they (government) considered this?

    Guess risk of being arrested and brought to court. Could in theory be out in bail but guess trying to do it legally to avoid all the hassle.


  • #5366
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,290 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    is_that_so wrote: »
    The impression you get is that an appeal will just be rejected out of hand. The system needs to be challenged for legality and robustness.

    Yeah, they have this on the gov.ie detail about it.

    The legislation does not prescribe a specific set of humanitarian reasons, the independent appeals officers will assess each application on its own merits and taking the prevailing public health guidance into account.

    Very vague. Wonder if anyone has been granted one so far. May be that gov want people to take cases and concede on case by case but not everyone has the means to take one of course. Even harsher if he has already been vaccinated.


  • #5367
    Boggerman12
    Closed Accounts Posts: 130 ✭✭Boggerman12


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    If Anthony Staines is being given airtime on RTÉ radio right now, I hope he'll be questioned as to his tactics into misleading the Irish public.
    Why are they trying to achieve the unachievable, who gave them unlimited airtime across all media platforms and silenced more moderate views.
    ISAG have made a number of false claims in the last 12 months, including the percentage of children that end up with Long Covid, Gerry Killeen having recently made another false claim on radio.

    Not a hope was he asked such questions.just let run away with long Covid,variants and ah maybe the autumn if we’re well behaved.the usual auld waffle from the fear mongering zero Covid fanatics.


  • #5368
    DebDynamite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    So we can shake hands again but only outdoors?

    I wonder will shaking hands with strangers be a thing of the past when things go back to normal?


  • #5369
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 2,129 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    If Anthony Staines is being given airtime on RTÉ radio right now, I hope he'll be questioned as to his tactics into misleading the Irish public.
    Why are they trying to achieve the unachievable, who gave them unlimited airtime across all media platforms and silenced more moderate views.
    ISAG have made a number of false claims in the last 12 months, including the percentage of children that end up with Long Covid, Gerry Killeen having recently made another false claim on radio.

    Very little chance of that happening, unfortunately. The story in Gript about that group and their emails passed by like a momentary gust of cold wind on a warm day.


  • #5370
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,290 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Had made 2 appeals actually.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0411/1209125-court-quarantine/


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  • #5371
    fm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭fm


    CruelSummer wrote: »
    If Anthony Staines is being given airtime on RTÉ radio right now, I hope he'll be questioned as to his tactics into misleading the Irish public.
    Why are they trying to achieve the unachievable, who gave them unlimited airtime across all media platforms and silenced more moderate views.
    ISAG have made a number of false claims in the last 12 months, including the percentage of children that end up with Long Covid, Gerry Killeen having recently made another false claim on radio.[/quote

    Is that the claim that 1 in 30 children with covid end up in hospital? ]


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