Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

JRant · 10-04-2021 10:24PM

bluelamp wrote: »

He's dissapeared - unusual for a minister who was regularly in the public eye.

I'm sure he has been told to keep quiet about the economic devastation.

They might let him speak again if he agrees to only talk about variants and Brazilians.

I heard we have at least 3.5 Brazilian euro of fiscal space this year.

arccosh · 10-04-2021 10:26PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

There was a fella on Tommy Tiernan talking about HIV

Someone commented on the thread that in the 1980s it was believed a handshake could spread AIDS

It’s the same **** with Covid only this time we’ve economically obliterated the nation

there's a bit of a difference where one's main transmission vector is touch or aerosol

growleaves · 10-04-2021 10:29PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

There was a fella on Tommy Tiernan talking about HIV

Someone commented on the thread that in the 1980s it was believed a handshake could spread AIDS

It’s the same **** with Covid only this time we’ve economically obliterated the nation

Dr. Anthony Fauci theorised that "routine close contact" could spread AIDS, in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 1983.

FintanMcluskey · 10-04-2021 10:30PM

arccosh wrote: »

there's a bit of a difference where one's main transmission vector is touch or aerosol

If one person is actually sick

Yet to be proved that asymptomatic cases can actually spread the disease

FintanMcluskey · 10-04-2021 10:31PM

growleaves wrote: »

Dr. Anthony Fauci theorised that "routine close contact" could spread AIDS, in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 1983.

Ah ok

Starting to make sense now

daydorunrun · 10-04-2021 10:33PM

What a time to be alive!

Only Vaccinated People Will Be Able To Board The Rescue Ships

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/cruiseradio.net/cruise-ships-play-crucial-role-in-st-vincent-volcano-rescue/amp/

Multipass · 10-04-2021 10:38PM

daydorunrun wrote: »

What a time to be alive!

Only Vaccinated People Will Be Able To Board The Rescue Ships

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/cruiseradio.net/cruise-ships-play-crucial-role-in-st-vincent-volcano-rescue/amp/

How disgusting, I hope the ships come down with a vomiting bug - an incurable one, so nowhere lets them dock.

lawred2 · 10-04-2021 10:46PM

Multipass wrote: »

How disgusting, I hope the ships come down with a vomiting bug - an incurable one, so nowhere lets them dock.

Not the fault of those vaccinated is it?

arccosh · 10-04-2021 10:49PM

growleaves wrote: »

Dr. Anthony Fauci theorised that "routine close contact" could spread AIDS, in the Journal of the American Medical Association in 1983.

bit of context...

it was around the time when they didn't know that HIV caused AIDS and the main correlation between AIDS victims, was close contact with other known AIDS victims..

on the back of that, Fauci wrote the paper that it might be transmissible in close quarters....

That's how research works, you push knowledge to the edge of what's known, publish it, and others can continue it, or debunk it..... no one is a single font of all knowledge.

But since Coronavirus, this comes up over and over trying to make out he's inept....

Nobody knew at the time, and there are plenty of other high profile researchers and health officials you could tar in the same way if that's your thinking.

edit: actually it was an AIDS case in a very young child that spurred Fauci's theory, they knew it was sexually transmitted, but when this child appeared with it, the theory was there may be another vector to getting infected....

This was before mother to child transmission was known about.... so a plausible proposal IMO.

Funnily enough, Fauci's research, and the French and American research linking HIV to AIDS was all published around May 1983 in different journals

arccosh · 10-04-2021 10:51PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

If one person is actually sick

Yet to be proved that asymptomatic cases can actually spread the disease

depending on the surface, touch vector can be active between 24-72 hours

growleaves · 10-04-2021 11:05PM

arccosh wrote: »

bit of context...

it was around the time when they didn't know that HIV caused AIDS and the main correlation between AIDS victims, was close contact with other known AIDS victims..

on the back of that, Fauci wrote the paper that it might be transmissible in close quarters....

That's how research works, you push knowledge to the edge of what's known, publish it, and others can continue it, or debunk it..... no one is a single font of all knowledge.

But since Coronavirus, this comes up over and over trying to make out he's inept....

Nobody knew at the time, and there are plenty of other high profile researchers and health officials you could tar in the same way if that's your thinking.

I'm not trying to 'tar' him but just show that a theory is a theory, not The Science.

I agree with everything you say about the nature of scientific research and have said as much myself.

If people maintained an understanding that theories and conclusions can be uncertain that would be much more realistic.

In early days I had people lose it with me and call me insane because I said that the theory behind lockdown is 'not proven'.

stargazer 68 · 10-04-2021 11:06PM

daydorunrun wrote: »

What a time to be alive!

Only Vaccinated People Will Be Able To Board The Rescue Ships

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/cruiseradio.net/cruise-ships-play-crucial-role-in-st-vincent-volcano-rescue/amp/

Starting to look like the John Cusack movie, 2012. Only the privileged get rescued.

walus · 10-04-2021 11:10PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

The problem is that loan is only to keep the lights on.

From a business point of view it’s surely considered reckless trading

There is a scene in Narcos when Pablo throws a pile of cash into a fire...
He could not find anything else to burn...

arccosh · 10-04-2021 11:20PM

growleaves wrote: »

I'm not trying to 'tar' him but just show that a theory is a theory, not The Science.

I agree with everything you say about the nature of scientific research and have said as much myself.

If people maintained an understanding that theories and conclusions can be uncertain that would be much more realistic.

In early days I had people lose it with me and call me insane because I said that the theory behind lockdown is 'not proven'.

I wouldn't say it's unproven, there are many papers into virus suppression tactics, not only for flu, but closer to the topic at hand and within the last 15/20 years, SARS and MERS.

Most require swift strict lockdowns with closure of international boarders for at least 4 to 6 weeks minimum....

This didn't happen in the majority of western countries.

Funnily enough, this was something NPHET recommended in March 2020 which was ignored, and the government did a half arsed lockdown instead.

FintanMcluskey · 10-04-2021 11:44PM

arccosh wrote: »

I wouldn't say it's unproven, there are many papers into virus suppression tactics, not only for flu, but closer to the topic at hand and within the last 15/20 years, SARS and MERS.

Most require swift strict lockdowns with closure of international boarders for at least 4 to 6 weeks minimum....

This didn't happen in the majority of western countries.

Funnily enough, this was something NPHET recommended in March 2020 which was ignored, and the government did a half arsed lockdown instead.

To be fair NPHET recommended absolutely every single containment measure ever considered for the longest time possible

Someone else had to try to pragmatise the approach

11-04-2021 12:08AM

Really annoyed me that we had to put up with the 5k for so long because it was connected to evictions.

I'm sure I read somewhere that the government needed to trigger a 5km limit to have a ban on evictions. Was Gavin Reilly on about it on twitter?

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0410/1208877-coronavirus-restrictions-changes-monday/

Travel restrictions will be relaxed, with people being able to travel anywhere within their county, or up to 20km from their home if crossing county boundaries....
.....The blanket moratorium on evictions will expire, with the earliest anyone can be made to leave their accommodation is 23 April.

PTH2009 · 11-04-2021 12:13AM

You have to remember Leo/MM dont like the term 'Lockdown' and rather call them restrictions

Zebra3 · 11-04-2021 12:28AM

CruelSummer wrote: »

So one year on from Ireland’s first lockdown:

- We’ve been in a state of lockdown since apart from a brief reopening over the summer & Christmas and still have had thousands of cases, deaths and hospitalisations - and nothing else to show for it
- NPHET are still used as a defacto Government because the people in charge don’t want the responsibility to make meaningful decisions. A group of doctors with only Covid as their remit have been given the authority to dictate policy across all Departments. To the point some of them would tweet against Government policy during the last 12 months in an attempt to drum up public support. Our leadership & running of a tight ship has been non-existant.
- We’ve decided now that we’ve effective vaccines coming and the end is nigh to introduced mandatory hotel quarantine - and include travellers from the EU & US...I can hardly believe this as I type. Martin even suggesting today they’d set up a hotel in Wexford to ‘catch’ travellers coming from France?! So effectively an attempt is now being made to imprison the citizens of Ireland here & prevent families from going abroad for a holidays, no matter what the Covid levels in said country or vaccination situation.
Not to mention they’re throwing fully vaccinated people into the quarantine for no apparent reason.
The absolute decimation of our tourist industry, FDI & future investment and other issues this will cause our workforce is scary to think about.
- We’ve people like Gerry Killeen out tweeting support for Martin’s Wexford hotel idea & also encouraging policing of the border with the North...where they’re all vaccinated? The same man who wanted to keep schools closed, get masks on 5 year olds & Ireland in a permanent lockdown.
- They decided to keep the 5k limit for the Easter holidays for fear children and families might enjoy themselves in the open countryside. Need to keep those local parks full & people in a depressed state after all for anyone who’s actually still following the 5k that is.
- No plan is developed for post Covid healthcare crisis. Why on earth am I seeing posts about people diagnosed with cancer who are getting no treatment or care? They should get onto national tv right now and state their case. Also call a solicitor & demand answers as to why they’re not being seen.

I'm an essential healthcare worker and got vaccinated through the job. The state knows I've been vaccinated yet I need to go through this quarantine nonsense if I was to decide to go abroad. And despite the state knowing I've been vaccinated, I'm obliged to stay away from work for two weeks after returning from abroad.

The absolute state of this country. And the so-called opposition cheering it all on. :rolleyes:

arccosh · 11-04-2021 06:17AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

I'm an essential healthcare worker and got vaccinated through the job. The state knows I've been vaccinated yet I need to go through this quarantine nonsense if I was to decide to go abroad. And despite the state knowing I've been vaccinated, I'm obliged to stay away from work for two weeks after returning from abroad.

The absolute state of this country. And the so-called opposition cheering it all on. :rolleyes:

Jesus, a healthcare worker who doesn't understand how vaccines work...

francogarbanzo · 11-04-2021 06:59AM

arccosh wrote: »

Jesus, a healthcare worker who doesn't understand how vaccines work...

Explain to us, Professor Inoculation.

JRant · 11-04-2021 07:41AM

Zebra3 wrote: »

I'm an essential healthcare worker and got vaccinated through the job. The state knows I've been vaccinated yet I need to go through this quarantine nonsense if I was to decide to go abroad. And despite the state knowing I've been vaccinated, I'm obliged to stay away from work for two weeks after returning from abroad.

The absolute state of this country. And the so-called opposition cheering it all on. :rolleyes:

They are just following the science

The real reason for this is they know that if they make exemptions to the restrictions for vaccinated people then there will be uproar from the remaining 80% of the population who are still a good bit away from being offered one.

Just listen to MM trying to justify the ever expanding list of countries on the list. He said the "fundamental rationale" behind the decision was public health advice. At this stage it's clear they haven't a clue what they are at.

Don't Chute! · 11-04-2021 07:54AM

arccosh wrote: »

Jesus, a healthcare worker who doesn't understand how vaccines work...

So essentially it’s lockdown forever then? At some stage people like you are going to have to realize that we will have to live with this thing, whether you like it or not. That’s the reality and the sooner it hits home the better. Living under the bed is not an option anymore.

arccosh · 11-04-2021 08:20AM

francogarbanzo wrote: »

Explain to us, Professor Inoculation.

as mentioned in the vaccine passport thread... junior cert biology level knowledge is all that needed for basic virus and vaccine understanding

A virus needs a living host to live in, multiply and spread...that's it's natural programming.....

Being vaccinated doesn't mean a complete block on getting the virus, you will still get it, and while it multiplies in your body to a level that triggers an immune response, you can possibly become symptomatic (and asymptomatic) and become contagious..... this level will be different for everybody...
Having the vaccine means your body is prepped to attack and kill of the virus quicker than if you were to make the antibodies from nothing..... meaning less time to spread and/or mutate...

If you don't suppress a strain, it will eventually mutate into a version of the virus that is better adapted to surviving and transmitting in it's current environment.....

can it mutate into a weaker version, yes it can, hopefully it does.

can it mutate into a stronger version, yes it can and more likely does ....
this to circumnavigate a population sample's immunity factors (genetics, vaccines, general health etc.....)

Don't Chute! wrote: »

So essentially it’s lockdown forever then? At some stage people like you are going to have to realize that we will have to live with this thing, whether you like it or not. That’s the reality and the sooner it hits home the better. Living under the bed is not an option anymore.

forever? when did I say that?
like me what? you're assuming my position, and throwing some sensationalist garbage in on top
2 weeks quarantine for someone fully vaccinated is silly...

but a health worker thinking it's a free pass out of it is pretty reckless at the moment (see above on how vaccines work) given the low level of complete vaccines in Ireland... especially when there is no functioning tracking system in place or cross boarder correlation (lets face it,trusting people to tell the truth when it possibly stops them getting a tan is shown not to be reliable)

there is argument for 96 hours of quarantine for arriving vaccinated travelers to Ireland until high risk categories have been fully vaccinated, removal thereafter.

Zebra3 · 11-04-2021 08:45AM

arccosh wrote: »

especially when there is no functioning tracking system in place

Yep, government ineptitude.

M_Murphy57 · 11-04-2021 09:57AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

What a time to be alive!

Only Vaccinated People Will Be Able To Board The Rescue Ships

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/cruiseradio.net/cruise-ships-play-crucial-role-in-st-vincent-volcano-rescue/amp/

Yes because covid is more deadly than having your flesh burnt off by molten lava or suffocating in an ash plume.

normanoffside · 11-04-2021 10:18AM

Now we know why we had so many hospitalised patients 'with covid' in January

1972 patients acquired it in Hospital since December 2020 while being treated for something else.
I've been saying this for months now. Another Conspiracy theory that turns out to be true

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/revealed-the-hospitals-where-patients-caught-covid-during-the-third-wave-of-the-pandemic-40298584.html

walus · 11-04-2021 10:19AM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Yes because covid is more deadly than having your flesh burnt off by molten lava or suffocating in an ash plume.

The fact that covid is the deadliest disease ever known to humanity should be a common knowledge at this point. I’m surprised that people are still questioning how we could give it a priority over other trivial diseases (i.e. cancer) or other irrelevant issues such as poverty and hunger. Anybody questioning the current policies should be charged with a thought crime at this point.

(Not.)

mille100piedi · 11-04-2021 10:23AM

can people now travel within 20 km of their home by car? or it is just for physical exercise?

shtpEdthePlum · 11-04-2021 10:24AM

JRant wrote: »

They are just following the science

The real reason for this is they know that if they make exemptions to the restrictions for vaccinated people then there will be uproar from the remaining 80% of the population who are still a good bit away from being offered one.

So HCWs can't live our lives now, even though we have risked them and in some cases lost them while working throughout this pandemic. We are also the guinea pigs for the vaccines (see: the nurse who got a rare blood clot due to AZ vaccine this week) and it's still unclear how long vaccination confers immunity. So we could be wasting months of precious immunity because bitter sad individuals won't want us to be free until they have their freedom too?

I mean, it's true but it's pathetic and those people need to take a look at themselves.

FintanMcluskey · 11-04-2021 10:25AM

normanoffside wrote: »

Now we know why we had so many hospitalised patients 'with covid' in January

1972 patients acquired it in Hospital since December 2020 while being treated for something else.
I've been saying this for months now. Another Conspiracy theory that turns out to be true

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/revealed-the-hospitals-where-patients-caught-covid-during-the-third-wave-of-the-pandemic-40298584.html

That is absolutely insane.

In fairness you’ve said this since last December

We’ve had our democracy and economy crushed for something that community suppression was useless to prevent.

Realistically, if we removed every restriction today with the healthcare workers vaccinated, we would never see the cases as high again in hospital

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