Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

MadYaker · 10-04-2021 09:04AM

Neddyusa wrote: »

Unfortunately, something drastic like that is the only way I see this going now.
Governments all over the world are gone in so deep that it's hard to see any reversal in these restrictions.

I have to ask if this is a genuine post?

ElektroToad · 10-04-2021 09:31AM

Just some more confirmation that many political leaders across Europe personally do not believe in the message they are telling their own people.

Last week reports emerged that a leading French minister is likely involved in attending secret dinner parties in an exclusive Parisian restaurant in breach of local restrictions.

And now if seems the Norwegian PM also decided she wasn't cancelling her own birthday bash over the risk of COVID

https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/09/norway-s-pm-erna-solberg-fined-2k-for-breaking-her-own-government-s-covid-rules

The more I see these reports across Europe, the more I feel that Phil Hogan got a raw deal by getting hounded out of his EU post over Golfgate (even if he was an arrogant god*****!)

JRant · 10-04-2021 09:37AM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

This is incredibly stupid. Other services stopped because of Covid19. My wife and her team are trying to get through their huge waiting lists which got bigger BECAUSE of COVID19.

Instead of seeing her normal patients she was assigned to work with covid19 patients during the crisis.

To put it in context, a typical flu patient is in hospital for a week, a typical covid19 patient is in hospital for 3-4 weeks. This is why it's so much worse for hospitals.

They are now desparately trying to get to their normal patients and have been working like animals the last year.

Fwiw, I lost my job last year when the schools closed and found a new one in q4 then lost it again when schools closed this year. It's been an absolute disaster for me but still it's incredibly frustrating to hear people spouting nonsense.

That's a very emotional response to nothing I stated, well done.

And, it's not nonsense to say NPHET have failed on public health. You've just outlined the exact scenario as to why as well. We've had 2 surges in our hospitals. Yet even now they are not back to a regular schedule with feck all COVID patients in them. That's a complete overreaction from them and the HSE.

the kelt · 10-04-2021 09:40AM

A whole 208 in hospital now with COVID and 51 in icu (damn these too high case numbers being driven by the walk in centres popping up like weeds all over the country)

Wonder how low they have to go to be allowed have a haircut and for kids to play a game of football or hurling

Sharpyshoot · 10-04-2021 09:41AM

ElektroToad wrote: »

Just some more confirmation that many political leaders across Europe personally do not believe in the message they are telling their own people.

Last week reports emerged that a leading French minister is likely involved in attending secret dinner parties in an exclusive Parisian restaurant in breach of local restrictions.

And now if seems the Norwegian PM also decided she wasn't cancelling her own birthday bash over the risk of COVID

https://www.euronews.com/2021/04/09/norway-s-pm-erna-solberg-fined-2k-for-breaking-her-own-government-s-covid-rules

The more I see these reports across Europe, the more I feel that Phil Hogan got a raw deal by getting hounded out of his EU post over Golfgate (even if he was an arrogant god*****!)

Phil rightly extracted the urine though.

Parachutes · 10-04-2021 09:55AM

Why can’t you meet up with another household in a private garden but can anywhere else?

Let’s keep in mind the chance of outdoor transmission is 0.1 of a percent

namloc1980 · 10-04-2021 09:56AM

Parachutes wrote: »

Why can’t you meet up with another household in a private garden but can anywhere else?

Let’s keep in mind the chance of outdoor transmission is 0.1 of a percent

They are afraid you might go inside for a cup of tea......the horror of it all.

Faugheen · 10-04-2021 10:02AM

ypres5 wrote: »

Pascal donohue has got to be the quietest minister of finance in decades. He's arguably the third or fourth most important person in government and yet he seems to spend his days hiding under his desk.

He has been talking about the Q1 exchequer returns for most of the week...

If there’s anyone that can’t be accused of hiding its Paschal to be fair. He always goes out to bat for the government because he’s so good at saying a lot while saying nothing. Michael McGrath too.

Boggles · 10-04-2021 10:06AM

the kelt wrote: »

A whole 208 in hospital now with COVID and 51 in icu

18th December

206 in hospital
31 in ICU

18th January

2020 in hospital
199 in ICU

But but but Christmas.

France’s hospital system is under heavy pressure from the pandemic, with the number of people treated in intensive care units for COVID-19 at the highest in almost a year...

The health ministry reported on Tuesday that the number of people in ICUs with COVID-19 had increased by 193 over 24 hours to 5,626, a peak since April 20 2020

Kivaro · 10-04-2021 10:23AM

When this is all over and those in power finally lift the restrictions on us, we need to make sure that the Irish Government is never allowed to impose these levels of restrictions on us again. Understanding the nature of virus control and temporary lockdown measures if there is a similar recurrence in the future, the government should have no legal right to impose restrictions that are recognised to be the harshest in Europe and among the worse in the world. Providing the country's residents with an adequate healthcare service to handle ICU influx is what the government need to fix going forward. We should not be severely penalised for their shortcomings.

niallo27 · 10-04-2021 10:26AM

Boggles wrote: »

18th December

206 in hospital
31 in ICU

18th January

2020 in hospital
199 in ICU

But but but Christmas.

If only we had a vaccine to keep these numbers down.

JMNolan · 10-04-2021 10:28AM

niallo27 wrote: »

If only we had a vaccine to keep these numbers down.

Haha, some here would have us locked up forever, their denial makes it even more obvious.

suicide_circus · 10-04-2021 10:34AM

Kivaro wrote: »

When this is all over and those in power finally lift the restrictions on us, we need to make sure that the Irish Government is never allowed to impose these levels of restrictions on us again. Understanding the nature of virus control and temporary lockdown measures if there is a similar recurrence in the future, the government should have no legal right to impose restrictions that are recognised to be the harshest in Europe and among the worse in the world. Providing the country's residents with an adequate healthcare service to handle ICU influx is what the government need to fix going forward. We should not be severely penalised for their shortcomings.

There will be more viruses of this type.

There can not be more lockdowns of this type.

Boggles · 10-04-2021 10:40AM

niallo27 wrote: »

If only we had a vaccine to keep these numbers down.

We do, the same ones Germany has.

German Health Minister pleads for lockdown ‘to break Covid wave’

Germany's Health Minister Jens Spahn and medical experts have renewed calls for drastic measures to gain control over spiralling coronavirus cases as hospital beds fill up.
“We need a lockdown in order to break this wave,” said Health Minister Spahn, saying that tougher measures could provide a “bridge” to an eventual reopening of public life.

Official figures on Friday showed 25,464 new cases in the past 24 hours, while intensive care doctors warned that hospitals could soon be inundated.

“We are profoundly concerned about the current situation,” said Gernot Marx, president of Germany’s intensive medicine association DIVI.

“We are on the brink of overwhelming our health system,” he added, explaining that Germany currently had only 3,000 free intensive care beds after a “dramatic rise” in admissions in recent weeks.

There is no cheat sheet Niallo, whatever BillyBob55 on twitter tells you.

"Seasonal".

shtpEdthePlum · 10-04-2021 10:42AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

There will be more viruses of this type.

There can not be more lockdowns of this type.

It's been said before, but the beatings will continue until morale improves.

The lockdowns will continue until there is proper allocation of funding within the healthcare system.

There is only one person to blame currently and it's the talking egg who seems to have pulled a Houdini and disappeared off the face of the earth. Previously i would have blamed children's hospital megastar but he's busy ruining third level and social media for young adults now.

niallo27 · 10-04-2021 10:46AM

Boggles wrote: »

We do, the same ones Germany has.

German Health Minister pleads for lockdown ‘to break Covid wave’

There is no cheat sheet Niallo, whatever BillyBob55 on twitter tells you.

"Seasonal".

Let me guess they are 2 weeks away from collapsing, you have been brainwashed Boggles. You do realise tens of thousands of Germans are flying to Spain for their holidays evey week. We can't go 5k.

Boggles · 10-04-2021 10:52AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Let me guess they are 2 weeks away from collapsing, you have been brainwashed Boggles. You do realise tens of thousands of Germans are flying to Spain for their holidays evey week. We can't go 5k.

Monday we can, and all children are back to school. Did you miss that?

Meanwhile in Germany you have the Health Minister screaming for more mitigation because their hospitals and ICUs are filling up, ditto several other European countries who are vaccinating.

Now do we acknowledge reality or do we keep listening to BillyBob55 who has all the easy solutions?

I'm going go with the reality.

"Hold Firm".

ypres5 · 10-04-2021 10:57AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I mean, he quietly took us from a recession to a budget surplus before covid hit, but yeah he should tweet more.....

Im not on about tweeting I mean appearing in the press just as much as nphet and their associated bandwagoneers and letting people know the consequences of all this borrowing because too many people believe we're on an endless consequence free gravy train

niallo27 · 10-04-2021 10:58AM

Boggles wrote: »

Monday we can, and all children are back to school. Did you miss that?

Meanwhile in Germany you have the Health Minister screaming for more mitigation because their hospitals and ICUs are filling up, ditto several other European countries who are vaccinating.

Now do we acknowledge reality or do we keep listening to BillyBob55 who has all the easy solutions?

I'm going go with the reality.

"Hold Firm".

Hang on we can fly to Spain from Monday, this is new to me. So answer me why do all these European countries have less restrictions than us despite their hospitals filling up as you say, did twitter tell you they are 2 weeks from collapse, maybe they will be 179th time right. Hold firm my bollox, easy for someone like you making money out of this.

finalfurlong · 10-04-2021 11:00AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

They are afraid you might go inside for a cup of tea......the horror of it all.

The variant there would be the notorious cloud variant leading to rain which might make people go inside for a volatile 5 minutes until the shower stopped and by then the disease would have got into everybody and the hospitals might be overrun especially if that days name ended in y or a variant thereof.

ypres5 · 10-04-2021 11:02AM

mcsean2163 wrote: »

HSE lifers. That is unbelievably disrespectful to the doctor's and nurses in Ireland.

I know one who went into the private sector and left because the meetings were about patient billing and not patient care. We are probably unique in the world in that the most highly sought positions by consultant doctors are in public hospitals with significantly less pay than the private sector, as in a LOT less pay.

HSE lifers, Jesus wept

There's the makeup of nphet.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Public_Health_Emergency_Team_(2020)

Lots of doctors, yes it could be more nuanced but it is what it is. It is the job of the government to manage the country for us not nphet or the HSE. What else can I say? Pretty much every minister of health since Noel Browne has been useless. The government are the ones capable of changing the health services.

If you want change tell the government. It requires more effort than posting on boards. There's the truth, if you want magic fixes read Enid Blyton.

I'm not on about the doctors and nurses I'm on about the management who've ran out health service into the ground without any accountability so spare me the 'shame on you' guff.

We pay over €20 billion to find our health service and there doesn't seem to be much value for money in it and writing to tds ad nauseam wont achieve anything because let's be honest they don't read those emails and if you want to continue discussing this with me then please avoid putting words in my mouth about doctors and nurses

Boggles · 10-04-2021 11:06AM

niallo27 wrote: »

Hang on we can fly to Spain from Monday, this is new to me. So answer me why do all these European countries have less restrictions than us despite their hospitals filling up as you say, did twitter tell you they are 2 weeks from collapse, maybe they will be 179th time right. Hold firm my bollox,

It was the German Health Minister that said it.

But there is a clue in that sentence to why.

niallo27 wrote: »

easy for someone like you making money out of this.

Another dinger plucked from the ether.

namloc1980 · 10-04-2021 11:06AM

Boggles wrote: »

Monday we can, and all children are back to school. Did you miss that?

Meanwhile in Germany you have the Health Minister screaming for more mitigation because their hospitals and ICUs are filling up, ditto several other European countries who are vaccinating.

Now do we acknowledge reality or do we keep listening to BillyBob55 who has all the easy solutions?

I'm going go with the reality.

"Hold Firm".

Interestingly Donnelly extended the 5km regulation until the 5th of May earlier this week.

Boggles · 10-04-2021 11:07AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Interestingly Donnelly extended the 5km regulation until the 5th of May earlier this week.

You are going to stay with 5km just in case are you?

Up to you, I won't be.

ypres5 · 10-04-2021 11:10AM

Faugheen wrote: »

He has been talking about the Q1 exchequer returns for most of the week...

If there’s anyone that can’t be accused of hiding its Paschal to be fair. He always goes out to bat for the government because he’s so good at saying a lot while saying nothing. Michael McGrath too.

I wish he'd assert himself more because it seems like the economy is a complete afterthought behind the obsession with case numbers which as the vulnerable groups are finished being vaccinated will become more and more redundant

namloc1980 · 10-04-2021 11:10AM

Boggles wrote: »

You are going to stay with 5km just in case are you?

Up to you, I won't be.

What are you talking about?? Where did I say I am going to "stay with 5km"? What the hell are you blathering on about?

niallo27 · 10-04-2021 11:12AM

Boggles wrote: »

It was the German Health Minister that said it.

But there is a clue in that sentence to why.

Another dinger plucked from the ether.

The Germans are flying off to Spain on their holidays, we get fined if we go over 5km. Only country in the world to close construction. Hold firm though you say, where did we hear that before. I have a feeling germany will be ok, but you keep listening to Doctor variant on twitter that the end of the world is near.

Boggles · 10-04-2021 11:13AM

ypres5 wrote: »

I wish he'd assert himself more because it seems like the economy is a complete afterthought behind the obsession with case numbers which as the vulnerable groups are finished being vaccinated will become more and more redundant

This week.

Today’s figures show the significant level of support that continues to be provided by Government. More than €2.5 billion additional funding has been spent by the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection alone over the last three months compared to last year. Together with the range of other supports available to people and businesses, including the Covid Restrictions Support Scheme, the impact on the public finances has been severe’.

“However, while the cost to the Exchequer has been substantial, there are grounds for optimism. As the tax figures show, businesses and consumers have adapted. The economic impact of the current set of restrictions is not as severe as last year, as companies innovate and consumers respond. This shows the fundamental strengths of our economy and business sector and bodes well for our recovery over the coming months

Boggles · 10-04-2021 11:15AM

niallo27 wrote: »

The Germans are flying off to Spain on their holidays, we get fined if we go over 5km. Only country in the world to close construction. Hold firm though you say, where did we hear that before. I have a feeling germany will be ok, but you keep listening to Doctor variant on twitter that the end of the world is near.

Niallo. I quoted the German Health Minister.

It's not my opinion.

But for some reason you know more than him, or someone you are listening to does.

Again though, we are opening up.

So chin up, the worst is behind us.

OfflerCrocGod · 10-04-2021 11:18AM

Boggles wrote: »

You are going to stay with 5km just in case are you?

Up to you, I won't be.

"Hold firm".

"You. I won't though" :pac:

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