Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

NSAman · 10-04-2021 12:30AM

beggars_bush wrote: »

4th wave already under way in the states

They've a large % of non acceptance of vaccines

2 confirmed cases in the last 4 weeks where I live !

Media has a lot to answer for.

You do know you get a vaccine card when you get vaccinated? Proof of vaccine is better than anything to travel.

Tazz T · 10-04-2021 12:43AM

beggars_bush wrote: »

4th wave already under way in the states

They've a large % of non acceptance of vaccines

There is no fourth wave anywhere.

Present evidence before making such a statement.

joseywhales · 10-04-2021 02:31AM

NSAman wrote: »

2 confirmed cases in the last 4 weeks where I live !

Media has a lot to answer for.

You do know you get a vaccine card when you get vaccinated? Proof of vaccine is better than anything to travel.

It's just an exercise in "I'm alright jack", nobody cares about something that does not directly affect them

Atlantic Dawn · 10-04-2021 02:33AM

mmclo wrote: »

Can we sue the Government for not putting high risk countries on the list?

I'd like to think you could, especially when conflicts of interest could be exposed.

NSAman · 10-04-2021 04:12AM

Think the lady taking the case gets heard tomorrow morning. This should be interesting.

faceman · 10-04-2021 08:16AM

I feel for the sake of balance given the Israeli lady’s court case today that the media and Twitter should be asking important questions like:

* how did she afford her trip?
* how many children does she have and who is minding them?
* what’s her address, is she from a socially deprived poor area?
* was there no jobs in Israel that she could have taken instead of the alledged job in Ireland?
* is she really working with a crime syndicate?

These are important questions that need to be addressed in the court case today!!!

:pac: :pac:

10-04-2021 09:45AM

faceman wrote: »

I feel for the sake of balance given the Israeli lady’s court case today that the media and Twitter should be asking important questions like:

* how did she afford her trip?
* how many children does she have and who is minding them?
* what’s her address, is she from a socially deprived poor area?
* was there no jobs in Israel that she could have taken instead of the alledged job in Ireland?
* is she really working with a crime syndicate?

These are important questions that need to be addressed in the court case today!!!

:pac: :pac:

Dont believe any of that was discussed in the court case you are actually refering to unless you mean the persons own defence mentioned it.

Its also different, travelling for work and moving here to live are essential reasons. Shes also vaccinated ffs!

fly_agaric · 10-04-2021 09:56AM

NSAman wrote: »

So the USA is added from April 15th. Largest vaccination plan, 300 million doses purchased, 4 million people a day getting vaccinated.

So myself, being vaccinated, going to see my mother who is also vaccinated, would I be transmitting the virus?

There is so much lack of joined up thinking going on in Ireland. Why not just shut ALL the borders.....?? If it is that bad and we are bringing so many variants (despite being vaccinated) what is the point in GETTING vaccinated?

Haven't been keeping up. Can Irish people just up and travel to the US now to "visit their mothers" or are Trumps' restrictions (no quarantine hotel, just basically a straight ban covering most Irish travellers) still in force?

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

Talk to Joe

Indeed! Good advice for those outraged that govt. seems to be belatedly listening to NPHET somewhat about these issues 1 year down the road.

ginoginelli · 10-04-2021 10:07AM

cubatahavana wrote: »

Don’t know if this has been posted but Poland had 1000 deaths yesterday, has a positivity rate of about 30% and a 14 day incidence per 100k of around 900 and are not on the list?

Ye, I'm scratching my head at that one. Portugal and Spain should also be on the list due to the high volume of traffic between the countries.

All fully vaccinated should be exempt from quarantining, but still subject to both pcr tests.

Anybody wishing to leave the country should have to put in in writing to dept of travel, like Britain have done. This will further discourage non essentials.

We have made some progress, albeit painfully slow, but they still need to pull the finger out and implement these sensible measures.

joseywhales · 10-04-2021 10:20AM

fly_agaric wrote: »

Haven't been keeping up. Can Irish people just up and travel to the US now to "visit their mothers" or are Trumps' restrictions (no quarantine hotel, just basically a straight ban covering most Irish travellers) still in force?

The answer is yes, if you are a us citizen or green card holder. The same will not be true if you are an irish citizen visiting ireland from the us, you will have to mandatory quarantine.

ZX7R · 10-04-2021 10:21AM

ginoginelli wrote: »

Ye, I'm scratching my head at that one. Portugal and Spain should also be on the list due to the high volume of traffic between the countries.

All fully vaccinated should be exempt from quarantining, but still subject to both pcr tests.

Anybody wishing to leave the country should have to put in in writing to dept of travel, like Britain have done. This will further discourage non essentials.

We have made some progress, albeit painfully slow, but they still need to pull the finger out and implement these sensible measures.

Poland didn't report 1000 deaths yesterday or today, there deaths are reported slimmer to us some of the deaths acoured in the previous months.
No variants of concern have been sequenced as of yet.
English variant is accounting for 96% of new cases, the remainder Spanish variant from last summer.
MHQ would collapse due to the numbers of workers travelling mainly for construction.
Plus Connelly stated last week that England were not the list because the English variant was already in Ireland,
According to reports here that's the main reason Poland wasn't on the list as they have the same variant as Ireland.

hmmm · 10-04-2021 10:23AM

That didn't take long before an obvious injustice is reported. Who is it that authorises exceptions, and how do we make sure this system isn't abused?

https://twitter.com/IrishTimes/status/1380804883738099714

fly_agaric · 10-04-2021 10:25AM

joseywhales wrote: »

The answer is yes, if you are a us citizen or green card holder. The same will not be true if you are an irish citizen visiting ireland from the us, you will have to mandatory quarantine.

A large if that covers most Irish people.
For the last year, anyone could fly in from the US without restriction.
The honour system "14 days" thing was a joke really.
I am sure most people abided by it as best they could, but as with anything unenforced you'll probably have 15-20 % who couldn't give a f-ck or (as evidenced by many posts over course of the thread) will actively go out of their way to break it to prove a point about "freedom" or whatever.

joseywhales · 10-04-2021 10:28AM

fly_agaric wrote: »

A large if that covers most Irish people.
For most of the last year, anyone could fly in from the US without restriction.
The honour system 14 days thing was a joke.

So do you think that a vaccinated Irish citizen with a negative pcr test should have to endure 14 days hotel quarantine?

Is this still about controlling the disease?

faceman · 10-04-2021 10:44AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Dont believe any of that was discussed in the court case you are actually refering to unless you mean the persons own defence mentioned it.

Its also different, travelling for work and moving here to live are essential reasons. Shes also vaccinated ffs!

Oh Niner. Come on man.

fly_agaric · 10-04-2021 10:50AM

joseywhales wrote: »

So do you think that a vaccinated Irish citizen with a negative pcr test should have to endure 14 days hotel quarantine?

Is this still about controlling the disease?

I don't know. Probably not if they can prove it.
I'm glad they've finally tried to set such a system (quarantine) up for all its flaws + the half arsed way they may be going about it.

I hope vaccination will work for us all, but the fact that the vaccines exist now and have begun to be administered with some countries (like the US, Israel) much further along in the process than others does not mean this is over yet.

Hopefully production can increase, more people will get vaccinated and the disease will really start to be driven down.

I somewhat suspect agenda of those criticising the holes or inconsistencies + expect they are people who argued against restrictions (on travel or other civil liberties) during entirity of pandemic to date as undemocratic, authoritarian overreach, an assault on our rights and freedoms etc.

josip · 10-04-2021 12:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

"detention center" absolutely destroys your credibility. We're not retarded children. We're not fooled by retarded language.

This didn't age well.

The court agreed to hold the inquiry on Monday after lawyers for the Minister for Health conceded for the purposes of this case that the woman is in detention.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0410/1208993-quarantine-detention-inquiry/

stephenjmcd · 10-04-2021 01:05PM

josip wrote: »

This didn't age well.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0410/1208993-quarantine-detention-inquiry/

Big test case this

faceman · 10-04-2021 01:06PM

josip wrote: »

This didn't age well.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0410/1208993-quarantine-detention-inquiry/

A horse by any other name is still a horse, etc

Wanderer2010 · 10-04-2021 01:28PM

Well knock me down with a feather. It happened a year too late and clearly only after a huge amount of resistance, but tourists from USA will now have to quarantine when coming to Ireland. Im guessing they will still get the kid glove treatment in quarantine, maybe even an apologetic phone call from Coveney and a plea not to pull any multi nationals from the country!

carveone · 10-04-2021 01:52PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Big test case this

Yes, it'll be interesting to see what happens and how it is argued. The whole "this isn't unconstitutional" argument is predicated on a proportional response to an imminent health risk. If the State can't show that their response was justified - and their removal of Israel is practically an admittance that it isn't - then they'll lose. On the other hand, the Health Act gives the Minister pretty broad powers, so we'll see.

The State seems to be arguing that quarantine "is triggered by a voluntary action". Yeah but no but. This might fail if noone knows about it in time. Sure, some people in Ireland know which countries are on the list but if the list is changing weekly on a few days notice, then that's a bit of a problem. If you are moving country the State can hardly argue that flying to Ireland is purely voluntary when the alternative is cancelling your flights, having no job, no income and living in a box.

If noone knows what the rules are going to be from one week to the next, that generates uncertainty. Noone likes uncertainty.

10-04-2021 02:15PM

josip wrote: »

This didn't age well.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0410/1208993-quarantine-detention-inquiry/

I think it aged fine. She isn't in a detention centre.

UDAWINNER · 10-04-2021 02:39PM

Are the US Troops coming in to Shannon, exempt from this. Hope not

francogarbanzo · 10-04-2021 02:44PM

Wanderer2010 wrote: »

Well knock me down with a feather. It happened a year too late and clearly only after a huge amount of resistance, but tourists from USA will now have to quarantine when coming to Ireland. Im guessing they will still get the kid glove treatment in quarantine, maybe even an apologetic phone call from Coveney and a plea not to pull any multi nationals from the country!

What tourists have been coming here?

My wife is having our first baby in the next few months and this likely means my fully vaccinated parents won’t be able to be here for the birth their first grandchild. This is a terrible policy, and a year too late.

NSAman · 10-04-2021 02:48PM

fly_agaric wrote: »

I somewhat suspect agenda of those criticising the holes or inconsistencies + expect they are people who argued against restrictions (on travel or other civil liberties) during entirity of pandemic to date as undemocratic, authoritarian overreach, an assault on our rights and freedoms etc.

Then you are an idiot.

Most Irish people I know have been planning on how to see family for over a year and a half.

I am in my house, going to the shops once a week. Not one person outside ofherself has been in this house. When we we’re able to get vaccinated we went immediately. We know it takes 2 to 4 weeks for effectivenesss to kick in. We still carry out all the hygiene controls. We know we have to be careful, for ourselves as well as everyone else. We could travel in the US but have chosen NOT to. It has cost me business by not travelling but hey my family especially my elderly mother are worth that.

So now, with this stupid MHQ, we are both vaccinated, negative, have our own place to quarantine in Ireland and STILL have to go to a hotel?

Despite us (and everyone I know in the same situation) playing by the rules, they are now saying they cannot trust us to quarantine ourselves properly?

You can’t make this crap up.

I know this will end and we will be able to see our families again, but Jesus talk about a bunch of muppets being reactionary!

This MHQ is too late, it should have been done a year ago....

So how does that fit your ridiculous narrative?

faceman · 10-04-2021 03:15PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think it aged fine. She isn't in a detention centre.

Um...

RT&#201 wrote: »

The court agreed to hold the inquiry on Monday after lawyers for the Minister for Health conceded for the purposes of this case that the woman is in detention.

Happydays2020 · 10-04-2021 03:20PM

faceman wrote: »

Um...

Indeed. The Mountjoy Arms hotel and recreation centre has a nice ring to it. Spike Island was a spa retreat, and Portlaoise is a retirement village.

10-04-2021 03:29PM

faceman wrote: »

Um...

And? She's in a hotel.

You guys will be calling them concentration camps soon. And my position will be the same as it's been for years.. If you don't want to be held for processing, don't go.

Away With The Fairies · 10-04-2021 03:29PM

NSAman wrote: »

Then you are an idiot.

Most Irish people I know have been planning on how to see family for over a year and a half.

I am in my house, going to the shops once a week. Not one person outside ofherself has been in this house. When we we’re able to get vaccinated we went immediately. We know it takes 2 to 4 weeks for effectivenesss to kick in. We still carry out all the hygiene controls. We know we have to be careful, for ourselves as well as everyone else. We could travel in the US but have chosen NOT to. It has cost me business by not travelling but hey my family especially my elderly mother are worth that.

So now, with this stupid MHQ, we are both vaccinated, negative, have our own place to quarantine in Ireland and STILL have to go to a hotel?

Despite us (and everyone I know in the same situation) playing by the rules, they are now saying they cannot trust us to quarantine ourselves properly?

You can’t make this crap up.

I know this will end and we will be able to see our families again, but Jesus talk about a bunch of muppets being reactionary!

This MHQ is too late, it should have been done a year ago....

So how does that fit your ridiculous narrative?

How many idiots came here and didn't quarantine at home? Went off to meet up with family and friends. It's these stupid idiots that ruin it for everyone else.

NSAman · 10-04-2021 03:31PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How many idiots came here and didn't quarantine at home? Went off to meet up with family and friends. It's these stupid idiots that ruin it for everyone else.

For all the idiots.. there are people who do have sense..

How about us Irish in America just organise three full flights home at the one time..:)

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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