Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Corholio · 09-04-2021 10:00PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

So the impossible to measure 'variant of concern' is the reason countries are added to the MHQ list!

How they measuring this! Mad TED!

'Concern' is a newly resurfaced island in the Pacific, already been added to MHQ.

saabsaab · 09-04-2021 10:03PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

So the impossible to measure 'variant of concern' is the reason countries are added to the MHQ list!

How they measuring this! Mad TED!

SA variant?

hmmm · 09-04-2021 10:10PM

saabsaab wrote: »

SA variant?

It's like listening to George Lee. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines have been tested and still have good efficiency against the SA variant. Same with J&J. All the vaccines appear to protect against severe disease, but you're more likely to get a bit of a head cold now. As Dr. Racaniello above says, T-cell protection hasn't changed with any of the variants.

The only study with any concern was a small and underpowered study of Astra Zeneca - we're waiting for better data.

saabsaab · 09-04-2021 10:11PM

hmmm wrote: »

"Less responsive" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

It doesn't matter where you're standing in 2 inches or 3 inches of water, you're still not going to drown.

It's bull**** and implemented only because politicians are getting it in the neck from "concerned citizens" who get most of their virus information from Facebook. Let's just admit it, and figure out how to give the politicians a way to walk this back.

If you want specifics see below only 10% effective, a cause of seroius concern,

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/17/astrazeneca-vaccine-fails-to-protect-against-the-south-african-variant/

Corholio · 09-04-2021 10:12PM

saabsaab wrote: »

If you want specifics see below only 10% effective, a cause of seroius concern,

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2021/03/17/astrazeneca-vaccine-fails-to-protect-against-the-south-african-variant/

Yet another posting of this very weak evidence based article. Been pointed out numerous times.

But wait, maybe the author Michael Haseltine is really..........*takes off glasses*............

Kingston Mills.

ninebeanrows · 09-04-2021 10:16PM

It's funny so much talk of the ZA variant yet ZA is living a lot more normal life than here in Ireland and the situation has improved hugely since January!

zebastein · 09-04-2021 10:18PM

Feria40 wrote: »

This has been brought up before but..

If I am French what is stopping me from having a weekend break in Berlin or Madrid before traveling onward to Dublin?

Are they actually looking at transit history and even if they are I could just have got a train to Madrid/Berlin before flying to Dublin, hell I could just fly to Belfast altogether.

Did they learn nothing from the green list experience last year?! Funny times

Two things:
- you probably need to answer a form which will ask "have you been in one of these countries in the last 14days?" you can always lie I suppose but you break a law giving a false statement.

- if you traveled for an essential reason, let's say a doctor appointment in France, and you come from Madrid they will find out you were in France. If you have no essential reason you are fined 2ke.

So best case scenario you still break the law. If the law is enforced correctly, you get a fine in any cass

normanoffside · 09-04-2021 10:22PM

saabsaab wrote: »

The point is we don't need another variant or wave.

Feria40 · 09-04-2021 10:24PM

zebastein wrote: »

Two things:
- you probably need to answer a form which will ask "have you been in one of these countries in the last 14days?" you can always lie I suppose but you break a law giving a false statement.

- if you traveled for an essential reason, let's say a doctor appointment in France, and you come from Madrid they will find out you were in France. If you have no essential reason you are fined 2ke.

So best case scenario you still break the law. If the law is enforced correctly, you get a fine in any cass

And if you fly into Belfast and spin across the border...?

Will this all become a bit silly in a few weeks with the UK opening up international travel not to mention an extra 1m jabs that will have supposedly have been given out here before month end?

There's a whiff of "optics" about all this really

Corholio · 09-04-2021 10:25PM

Never thought I'd be quoting Regina Doherty :P but......

https://twitter.com/ReginaDo/status/1380631231478521856?s=19

Feria40 · 09-04-2021 10:27PM

Corholio wrote: »

Never thought I'd be quoting Regina Doherty :P but......

https://twitter.com/ReginaDo/status/1380631231478521856?s=19

Exit Strategy? Oh Regina, where have you been :pac:

hmmm · 09-04-2021 10:35PM

Does the Ukraine and Pakistan have big problems with the South African and Brazilian variants?

Maybe I'm asking too much, but would it be possible in our democracy for someone in Government to publish the criteria they are using to forcibly lock people up for 2 weeks when they enter the country?

normanoffside · 09-04-2021 10:36PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

It's funny so much talk of the ZA variant yet ZA is living a lot more normal life than here in Ireland and the situation has improved hugely since January!

The South African variant is not even doing well in South Africa (Where Everything is open)

carveone · 09-04-2021 10:41PM

Stupid was to have Israel on the list in the first place.

Embarrassing was to then remove it after four days. Four! Sure why not 2 days next time. Sure change the list every day, just for the laugh like.

Completely ignorant is to insist that anyone from Israel currently in quarantine has to remain in quarantine for the duration just because... Looking at the Health Act, they seem to be on solid ground to make that insistence, but it's still ignorant.

Edit: As a aside, I wonder if she left the hotel, on what grounds could they bring her back given that the country she came from is not on a list of designated countries. Ah, the fun you could have being a lawyer

ninebeanrows · 09-04-2021 10:42PM

Maybe it was deliberate? To make it all such a shambles that it'll be disbanded in quick fashion.

hotmail.com · 09-04-2021 10:52PM

No Spain or Portugal.

Lol

saabsaab · 09-04-2021 10:53PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Maybe it was deliberate? To make it all such a shambles that it'll be disbanded in quick fashion.

Better to stop them in the first place like the US.

normanoffside · 09-04-2021 11:00PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

No Spain or Portugal.

Lol

They have very low rates

hmmm · 09-04-2021 11:18PM

normanoffside wrote: »

They have very low rates

I'm assuming Portugal with strong Brazilian links must be at high risk of the Brazilian variant?

Corholio · 09-04-2021 11:26PM

There was a few twisted in knots explanations why Israel were on the list from some here, because just about everything has to be defended, wonder how they are doing now?

normanoffside · 09-04-2021 11:29PM

hmmm wrote: »

I'm assuming Portugal with strong Brazilian links must be at high risk of the Brazilian variant?

Variants or not, the have one of the lowest rates in Europe

hmmm · 09-04-2021 11:40PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Variants or not, the have one of the lowest rates in Europe

But we're trying to stop variants right? At least that's what we were told.

So the country in Europe with the closest ties to Brazil is not on the list, but we have added the Ukraine and Luxembourg. Because of that big Ukraine/Brazil thing?

Because we haven't been told what the criteria is for this, I'm just trying to understand the thought processes at work.

titan18 · 09-04-2021 11:49PM

Will be fun when the first person catches covid from being stuck in the MHQ hotels (either staff or a prisoner there).

expectationlost · 09-04-2021 11:55PM

titan18 wrote: »

Will be fun when the first person catches covid from being stuck in the MHQ hotels (either staff or a prisoner there).

a staff member has already tested positive https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/just-one-hotel-quarantine-staff-member-has-tested-positive-for-covid-19-so-far-1.4532396

NSAman · 10-04-2021 12:00AM

So the USA is added from April 15th. Largest vaccination plan, 300 million doses purchased, 4 million people a day getting vaccinated.

So myself, being vaccinated, going to see my mother who is also vaccinated, would I be transmitting the virus?

There is so much lack of joined up thinking going on in Ireland. Why not just shut ALL the borders.....?? If it is that bad and we are bringing so many variants (despite being vaccinated) what is the point in GETTING vaccinated?

beggars_bush · 10-04-2021 12:07AM

NSAman wrote: »

So the USA is added from April 15th. Largest vaccination plan, 300 million doses purchased, 4 million people a day getting vaccinated.

So myself, being vaccinated, going to see my mother who is also vaccinated, would I be transmitting the virus?

There is so much lack of joined up thinking going on in Ireland. Why not just shut ALL the borders.....?? If it is that bad and we are bringing so many variants (despite being vaccinated) what is the point in GETTING vaccinated?

4th wave already under way in the states

They've a large % of non acceptance of vaccines

cubatahavana · 10-04-2021 12:08AM

Don’t know if this has been posted but Poland had 1000 deaths yesterday, has a positivity rate of about 30% and a 14 day incidence per 100k of around 900 and are not on the list?

mmclo · 10-04-2021 12:13AM

cubatahavana wrote: »

Don’t know if this has been posted but Poland had 1000 deaths yesterday, has a positivity rate of about 30% and a 14 day incidence per 100k of around 900 and are not on the list?

Can we sue the Government for not putting high risk countries on the list?

Sharpyshoot · 10-04-2021 12:14AM

cubatahavana wrote: »

Don’t know if this has been posted but Poland had 1000 deaths yesterday, has a positivity rate of about 30% and a 14 day incidence per 100k of around 900 and are not on the list?

Talk to Joe

Lmkrnr · 10-04-2021 12:19AM

Its fair to say this government is a total shambles. How can we end this madness.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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