Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

To be quite honest I don't consider you one of the sycophants. I don't always agree with your posts but they're generally well thought out and well meant.

I'm angry and lashing out in general but I didn't intend to direct that anger at you. Apologies.

Thanks for that, accepted !

Got upset because am only expressing my ever unpopular opinion and don't want anyone to be upset by it or hearing that people are .:/

I really don't understand how the government, Dept of Health and HSE come to their decisions and after a lifetime working as a nurse I hate to see the ordinary workers getting the blame , year in,year out, but especially through this last year , for the bumbling lack of common sense and ineptitude of these very well paid executives .

Sack them all and put Nurses and Doctors and other real healthcare workers in charge of the health service ...that would be a start !

Deleted User wrote: »

And that is why I think we now have MHQ for the foreseeable future. Well into next year, if not longer. And the variants will still get in, of course, as this limited MHQ is not zero Covid (what with truckers, essential travel, land border, UK travel). We are doing something that has a substantial cost that will not achieve what people think it will achieve (except that it will appease the Twitter mob). And I think it is naive to think it will be done away with this year

Zero covid is a fallacy if we want to have any economy, if it was to be done it had to happen last April, it didn't and we have had a very long lockdown/restrictions. As such horse has bolted and we need to have a plan to live with covid and variants. NZ & Australia are not the same as Ireland and we need to get on with it now. There a people (even mentioned in this exact thread) that are suffering and may even die from cancer and other illnesses due to hospitals only seeing covid, covid, covid. Finish vaccinating older citizens and get on with opening all and use the extra zealousness to reduce the waiting times that have now built up. in hostpitals.

RedPaddyX wrote: »

With all due genuine respect mod its a fast moving conversation (happening in two or three threads - big news) and he has helpfully provided this link at intervals that many may have missed previously. I found it helpful.

I also found it helpful and it was not considered spam at all.

Goldengirl wrote: »

Thanks for that, accepted !

Got upset because am only expressing my ever unpopular opinion and don't want anyone to be upset by it or hearing that people are .:/

I really don't understand how the government, Dept of Health and HSE come to their decisions and after a lifetime working as a nurse I hate to see the ordinary workers getting the blame , year in,year out, but especially through this last year , for the bumbling lack of common sense and ineptitude of these very well paid executives .

Sack them all and put Nurses and Doctors and other real healthcare workers in charge of the health service ...that would be a start !

We've had Varadkar and James Reilly in charge as Minister for Health and nothing changed with them in charge tbf despite them being doctors.

Goldengirl wrote: »

No the variants they have talked about are quite specific not vague .
Brazilian and South African variants .

Both of those are already here

Batattackrat wrote: »

I'm sorry but 13,000 not really a large number when 4713 were hospitalized during the 17/18 flu season and 3244 during the 18/19 flu season and this is roughly 18 months of data.

I understand its four times roughly worse than the flu and all those stats with mortality rate.

How many people now in 50's and 60's will now have untreatable cancer? 40,000 cases of cancer every year in ireland.

Just curious if you have a link, I'm wondering how long that 17/18 flu season was.

Elective care wouldn't get cancelled during flu season, covid is different.
There's very few countries with incidence rates as we have/had operating a normal healthcare. This is not down to a bad healthcare system, it's down to Covid.

Yes it sucks and it's disgraceful that treatable cancers are being undiagnosed, and people have a right to be angry, but we're not the only country in the world experiencing this. This is not a solely Irish ****ed up issue, this is a global issue.

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Ok - so should people found to have those variants be subject to mandatory quarantine?

Absolutely not, it’s pointless trying to keep track of variants. We need to vaccinate and start returning to life.

I’m at least somewhat heartened to see a sensible majority objecting to the madness of this latest development. I can only plead with you to put that pressure back in media and direct to local politicians. There is no use us venting on here if we don’t do anything with it.

Common sense needs to return very quickly before we have destroyed country completely and surrendered our freedoms indefinitely.

I simply will not accept a vague “maybe 2/3 months”. Sorry that is unacceptable without careful debate and commitments. The government need to remember they work for and represent us! The bloody tax payers.

Pfizer vaccine protects for at least 6 months, almost certainly longer and had 100% efficacy against the South African variant. It's a Phase 3 clinical trial but very good signs so far. The antibodies produced are so high that one expert thinks that protection could last years, and potentially a one time only vaccine.

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/01/health/pfizer-covid-vaccine-efficacy-six-months-bn/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

Wolf359f wrote: »

I've been kinda staying out of the MHQ debate.
But to recap, the public wanted it brought in a year go, Government finally decided a year later to implement it and (kinda at random) picked countries to add to it? So now the public don't like that (despite Irish citizens having to undergo mandatory quarantine in other countries)

I disagree with the indefinitely part, thankfully we live in a democracy. You make it sound like it's a dictatorship. As soon as the sun shines though the dark clouds, the opposition will find it's voice. And soon after you will hear FG saying, oh we did't agree with that, but we weren't in control. Basically, the slimy politics we knew will return.

I for one can't wait for the opposition to give us the detailed breakdown, day by day of what they would have done. Despite not mentioning those ideas/recommendations at the time. That's when the opposition will find their voice. And indeed certain parts in FF/FG will come out and say this and that was wrong etc... It's very easy to wait after the **** has hit the fan to say something (I'd have turned the fan off first etc...)

I have to admire your optimism and relaxed attitude. And the funny thing is that is usually my default.

I think one of the reasons I’m so concerned is I’ve seen this cross roads a long time ago. You see the reality is: Variants will always exist out there - and will keep mutating indefinitely in various places around the world (Africa, South America, India etc). Vaccines will therefore need to be tweaked every year - that will take time and have mixed success (aka the flu vaccine has mixed success and takes months to develop each year). This is a coronavirus similar to flu and common cold but way more deadly and contagious - and crucially and very unfortunately it spreads pre symptomatic. That is crucial as it means it will not become less severe with mutations (there is longer explanation to this which you can look up).

Therefore a cross roads we were always going to face at some point was go down the lockdown,zero Covid, quarantine route (which per above I see no possible way out of) or just accept that we need to find a way to live with this thing and get back living (vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable each year and open up for everyone else). That is what worries me, going down this quarantine route I see no way exit ramp. People need to come to grips with that. Optimism is great but I see years of restricted travel except for the very wealthy and privileged (and a decimated economy).

hmmm wrote: »

I'm amazed at the number of people who think travel can be simply shut down to and from Ireland. They have no idea of the number of foreign workers who work here and who we are dependent on. They also have no idea of the number of Irish people who travel to and from Ireland to work, and the number of Irish companies who send people overseas or need to allow people to visit them.

We're not going to have a private sector when this is over.

Exactly my own job relies on frequent trips to UK and other places. This road is going to kill that and 10s of thousands of other jobs, not to mention tourism, business development etc

Messi19 wrote: »

Can you get on a plane tomorrow to visit your friends in the US? No because they won't let you in. Are your US friends embarrassed to be American because you can't visit them? Probably not

I could be wrong on this so feel free to correct me, but US citizens can fly from Ireland to the US without having to quarantine for two weeks in a hotel back in the US at their expense . . . Irish citizens, however, flying from the US to Ireland must quarantine for two weeks in a hotel in Dublin (even if they are fully vaccinated, even if they have a negative Covid test three days before their flight, and even if they have a family in Ireland where they can self-quarantine . . . so, it's not exactly the same).

RedPaddyX wrote: »

I have to admire your optimism and relaxed attitude. And the funny thing is that is usually my default.

I think one of the reasons I’m so concerned is I’ve seen this cross roads a long time ago. You see the reality is: Variants will always exist out there - and will keep mutating indefinitely in various places around the world (Africa, South America, India etc). Vaccines will therefore need to be tweaked every year - that will take time and have mixed success (aka the flu vaccine has mixed success and takes months to develop each year). This is a coronavirus similar to flu and common cold but way more deadly and contagious - and crucially and very unfortunately it spreads pre symptomatic. That is crucial as it means it will not become less severe with mutations (there is longer explanation to this which you can look up).

Therefore a cross roads we were always going to face at some point was go down the lockdown,zero Covid, quarantine route (which per above I see no possible way out of) or just accept that we need to find a way to live with this thing and get back living (vaccinate the elderly and vulnerable each year and open up for everyone else). That is what worries me, going down this quarantine route I see no way exit ramp. People need to come to grips with that. Optimism is great but I see years of restricted travel except for the very wealthy and privileged (and a decimated economy).

You're listening to government excuses to failure (new variants) and believing them. Yes their could be a crazy variant that escapes all vaccines and previous vaccines, it will probably arrive the same time as an earth destroying asteroid.

Government are using variants as an excuse now to take caution. To use an excuse to open slowly while the rest of the world open faster.
It's not based on data we have here and now, it's based on some 0.00001% chance it will occur and they will use that minuscule chance as an excuse.