Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

joseywhales · 09-04-2021 03:23AM

a_squirrelman wrote: »

Unknown variants. Possible future variants. Variants under the bed.

"variant under the bed" I'm going to use that one.

wes · 09-04-2021 04:04AM

JDD wrote: »

This was exactly my point last night. Israel should not be on the MHQ list, it makes a nonsense of the whole list.

Millions of Palestinians are not vaccinated. So that is maybe why they are on the list.

caveat emptor · 09-04-2021 05:59AM

normanoffside wrote: »

10? Wow.
Over 600 who walked into pop up test centres over the last week with absolutely no symptoms tested positive, we only have these centres in a few places.

People flying into MHQ are actually testing positive at a lower level (2.3%) than random members of the resident Irish public with no symptoms(2.7%)

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/retail-cultural-sites-reopening-possible-from-may-4th-if-we-hold-firm-1.4531000

In areas that there is known community spread as opposed to other areas.

faceman · 09-04-2021 07:59AM

saabsaab wrote: »

Look up Professor Kingston Mills. These were already screened, just think about it, that makes it far worse!

That’s not entirely true. The 10 positive tests came from testing 413 inmates and 143 staff. Not all inmates arrived with pcr tests. The report did not divulge the breakout of the 10 nor did it indicate if it excludes false positives.

So the positive rate is 1.7% in total in line with the average rate for cases linked to travel

Meanwhile 400 people tested positive yesterday and won’t have enforced quarantine regardless of what variant they have.

Is the penny dropping yet?

daydorunrun · 09-04-2021 08:09AM

saabsaab wrote: »

Why wait for one that the vaccines don't work on? The SA variant doesn't respond as well to the vaccine as it is.

You say it like a vaccine proof vaccine is just around the corner. We can’t live a life of what ifs.
Variants may well find away around vaccines, they often do- but that’s why we’ll likely have a yearly vaccine approach to Covid like the flu where they vaccinate against whatever strain is doing the rounds. The good news is mRNA vaccines are well suited to adjusting to suit over time.

fm · 09-04-2021 08:11AM

wes wrote: »

Millions of Palestinians are not vaccinated. So that is maybe why they are on the list.

But these millions of Palestinians don't have easy access to Israel and they haven't stopped the infection rate from continuing to drop in Israel which is well below ours. 23 per 100,000 is the seven day average there.

saabsaab · 09-04-2021 02:34PM

faceman wrote: »

That’s not entirely true. The 10 positive tests came from testing 413 inmates and 143 staff. Not all inmates arrived with pcr tests. The report did not divulge the breakout of the 10 nor did it indicate if it excludes false positives.

So the positive rate is 1.7% in total in line with the average rate for cases linked to travel

Meanwhile 400 people tested positive yesterday and won’t have enforced quarantine regardless of what variant they have.

Is the penny dropping yet?

How do we know the false negatives either? People arriving without any tests still, from what you say, makes it worse. There is every reason to take these measures and more for a short time to come, it isn't forever.

bombs away · 09-04-2021 02:57PM

saabsaab wrote: »

How do we know the false negatives either? People arriving without any tests still, from what you say, makes it worse. There is every reason to take these measures and more for a short time to come, it isn't forever.

You honestly believe these measures will be here for the short term? Covid is’nt going to go away like some people believe including the Government. Everyone thinks that vaccines are a magic solution yet all the experts state that the virus will become an annual event similar to the flu.

Would you like to have MHQ every winter when we get spikes? Would you like to have MHQ for the flu when it becomes a bigger killer than Covid. Once these restrictions come in, they are extremely difficult to get rid of, even politicians have admitted that despite the sunset clause. Be careful what you wish for as your freedoms are being eroded.

saabsaab · 09-04-2021 03:29PM

bombs away wrote: »

You honestly believe these measures will be here for the short term? Covid is’nt going to go away like some people believe including the Government. Everyone thinks that vaccines are a magic solution yet all the experts state that the virus will become an annual event similar to the flu.

Would you like to have MHQ every winter when we get spikes? Would you like to have MHQ for the flu when it becomes a bigger killer than Covid. Once these restrictions come in, they are extremely difficult to get rid of, even politicians have admitted that despite the sunset clause. Be careful what you wish for as your freedoms are being eroded.

Yes. We should accept that this is only until this is under control via the vaccines and certain short term measures. Nothing to be lost and everything to gain by waiting for now.

M_Murphy57 · 09-04-2021 03:37PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Yes. We should accept that this is only until this is under control via the vaccines and certain short term measures. Nothing to be lost and everything to gain by waiting for now.

Like how the US and Israel got their populations vaccinated? Oh wait....

faceman · 09-04-2021 04:04PM

saabsaab wrote: »

How do we know the false negatives either? People arriving without any tests still, from what you say, makes it worse. There is every reason to take these measures and more for a short time to come, it isn't forever.

I don’t disagree with enforced quarantine for those who turn up without pcr testing.

We know one of the “Dubai 2” had a false positive while in quarantine.

I’ve since found out that at least 1 of the 10 positive tests relates to a staff member

saabsaab · 09-04-2021 04:05PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

Like how the US and Israel got their populations vaccinated? Oh wait....

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M_Murphy57 · 09-04-2021 04:11PM

saabsaab wrote: »

??

You said mhq is only until we get things under control with vaccines yet 2 countries that have vaccinated their population are on or about to go on the list.

There is no sense or logic to this and no reason to believe its temporary.

There is no criteria for what goes on or how long countries stay on, bar Donnelly checking Twitter every morning and seeing what countries the baying slobbering mob are screaming hysterically about that day.

saabsaab · 09-04-2021 04:15PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

You said mhq is only until we get things under control with vaccines yet 2 countries that have vaccinated their population are on or about to go on the list.

There is no sense or logic to this and no reason to believe its temporary.

There is no criteria for what goes on or how long countries stay on, bar Donnelly checking Twitter every morning and seeing what countries the baying slobbering mob are screaming hysterically about that day.

There is no perfect system but why do you think this is permanent? That doesn't make sense to me.

M_Murphy57 · 09-04-2021 04:24PM

saabsaab wrote: »

There is no perfect system but why do you think this is permanent? That doesn't make sense to me.

Because Stephen Donnelly is a moron and this is about his ego not about safety.

Extorting 2 grand from a vaccinated nurse with a negative test from a vaccinated country indicates he wont back down from this no matter how stupid he looks or how little good this is doing (and it's doing no good)

I dont see him waking up and being smarter any time soon and nobody in govt seems to be trying to stop him.

saabsaab · 09-04-2021 04:28PM

No point in discussing individual hard cases. What we need is tighter controls.

NSAman · 09-04-2021 04:29PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

You said mhq is only until we get things under control with vaccines yet 2 countries that have vaccinated their population are on or about to go on the list.

There is no sense or logic to this and no reason to believe its temporary.

There is no criteria for what goes on or how long countries stay on, bar Donnelly checking Twitter every morning and seeing what countries the baying slobbering mob are screaming hysterically about that day.

What is the point in getting vaccinated for? Obviously, you have to take the precaution of waiting a few weeks for it to kick in, people who have been vaccinated and then having a negative per test and forcing them to MHQ is ridiculous.

saabsaab · 09-04-2021 04:33PM

faceman wrote: »

That’s not entirely true. The 10 positive tests came from testing 413 inmates and 143 staff. Not all inmates arrived with pcr tests. The report did not divulge the breakout of the 10 nor did it indicate if it excludes false positives.

So the positive rate is 1.7% in total in line with the average rate for cases linked to travel

Meanwhile 400 people tested positive yesterday and won’t have enforced quarantine regardless of what variant they have.

Is the penny dropping yet?

Is it not a requirement? How on Earth can they board for here without it? Costs should be on the airlines who allowed this.

Tazz T · 09-04-2021 04:33PM

saabsaab wrote: »

There is no perfect system but why do you think this is permanent? That doesn't make sense to me.

One word: USC

hmmm · 09-04-2021 04:40PM

I think scientists and doctors sometimes get blinded by their relatively narrow areas of expertise, and don't see the big picture at times. Ironically public health doctors are usually good at balancing health vs economic & other impacts. Anyone who argues that vaccinated people should go into MHQ is clearly in my view not considering the bigger picture, and there is absolutely no justification for it.

smurfjed · 09-04-2021 05:12PM

I am curious as to the employment status of people calling for permanent MHQ. At some stage the state financial support has to end, what happens then ?

faceman · 09-04-2021 05:14PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Is it not a requirement? How on Earth can they board for here without it? Costs should be on the airlines who allowed this.

Completely agree

saabsaab · 09-04-2021 05:30PM

smurfjed wrote: »

I am curious as to the employment status of people calling for permanent MHQ. At some stage the state financial support has to end, what happens then ?

It is supposed to be paid for by the person themselves!

smurfjed · 09-04-2021 05:42PM

It has nothing to do with who is paying for it, but if this continues the Irish aviation and hospitality industries will be destroyed. Can we afford for that to happen ?

saabsaab · 09-04-2021 06:14PM

smurfjed wrote: »

It has nothing to do with who is paying for it, but if this continues the Irish aviation and hospitality industries will be destroyed. Can we afford for that to happen ?

A large new covid wave especially new variants will do just that anyway. It needs to continue for a while yet.

faceman · 09-04-2021 06:31PM

saabsaab wrote: »

A large new covid wave especially new variants will do just that anyway. It needs to continue for a while yet.

Says who? What metric is being used to determine the impact of one versus the other? Especially given where we are with vaccines and treatments.

Tyrone212 · 09-04-2021 06:46PM

I can't see many French or German nationals coming to visit Ireland when everything is closed. One country that hasn't been mentioned is Poland. Cases are very high there and there is a lot of Polish living here so would make more sense to add them first IMO.

zebastein · 09-04-2021 06:52PM

Tyrone212 wrote: »

I can't see many French or German nationals coming to visit Ireland when everything is closed. One country that hasn't been mentioned is Poland. Cases are very high there and there is a lot of Polish living here so would make more sense to add them first IMO.

That is not the problem. There has been close to 0 "tourist" in the last year.

People that fly are 99% Irish people living in these countries (20k Irish in France) and French people living in Ireland (10k French people in Ireland). These people have been traveling for a year, because life does not stop with covid. And it never had any negative impact.

People also forget that Ireland is the European centre for a lot of big companies. So Irish people working in Dublin need to go in business trips in these countries.

Add the poles, 120k people in Ireland, you need many many more hotels

fly_agaric · 09-04-2021 07:00PM

zebastein wrote: »

People also forget that Ireland is the European centre for a lot of big companies. So Irish people working in Dublin need to go in business trips in these countries.

I don't disagree that they need more hotels if they add more countries (and maybe would need a waiting list), but would say there's very few flying about on "business trips" at the moment.
Most of the "business tripper" types are huddled up working from home.
The only workers flying for business are people who really need to do it/absolutely critical staff who are going to a location for something a bit more important and of longer duration than a trip.
They will quarantine if they have to IMO, they would likely have been following such procedures and doing it themselves anyway as companies probably don't want hassle of their travelling staff spreading Covid between different locations and getting sites shut down with an outbreak.

Lmkrnr · 09-04-2021 07:08PM

What happens if the fire alarm goes off in these quarentine hotel's. Where do people stand when they leave, single file when Running from a fire?

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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