Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

gmisk · 08-04-2021 09:45PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well all partied...

Have another go at that maybe....

JRant · 08-04-2021 09:46PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Actually no, it’s to describe people who are being made to look like fools by this spineless and gutless government.

We do have a spineless and gutless government, I completely agree with you.

We also have a gormless opposition.

Then there is NPHET, a bunch of 39 nodding dogs who are so imbedded in the HSE that they will protect itself at all costs.

And, last, but not least, we have the Irish media. Bought and sold by the government with COVID ad revenue. Very little in the way of asking government any hard questions or holding those in power to account for stripping the citizens of this country of an incredible amount of civil liberties.

JRant · 08-04-2021 09:47PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Jesus this country is a disaster

If we reopen and then close again i don't know what ill do

Hold firm

arccosh · 08-04-2021 09:49PM

JRant wrote: »

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Then there is NPHET, a bunch of 39 nodding dogs who are so imbedded in the HSE that they will protect itself at all costs.

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By acknowledging the HSE is in ****e and would fall apart if excess case loads occur? (they said this numerous times last year)

it shows that people don't understand what NPHET is... it is simply a body setup to make recommendations on how to handle COVID, nothing else....
Not everyone on it is connected to the HSE.

A good chunk of their recommendations were ignored or half implemented....

Like what they said initially last year:
-a slightly longer first lockdown, to allow the government to establish a functioning track and trace system with easy access testing.....
-fix the health service as best they could in time for Winter 2020/2021 so a full lockdown isn't needed before or after Xmas
-have a diverse vaccination supply so you're not relying fully on the EU supply

all ignored by government

PTH2009 · 08-04-2021 09:50PM

JRant wrote: »

Hold firm

Next 2 weeks are crucial

ShyMets · 08-04-2021 09:51PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Next 2 weeks are crucial

Brighter days ahead

paddyisreal · 08-04-2021 09:53PM

gmisk wrote: »

No blame for the people of ireland who broke restrictions, didn't social distance, visited half the country, went to house parties etc no?

You must be on the wind up. The government are elected to run the country and they made a dogs dinner of it from start to now.from masks, golf gate, vitamin d, antigen testing, airports, the 9 euro happy meal. They have been a disgrace and no revisionism will change that.

JRant · 08-04-2021 09:55PM

arccosh wrote: »

By acknowledging the HSE is in ****e and would fall apart if excess case loads occur? (they said this numerous times last year)

it shows that people don't understand what NPHET is... it is simply a body setup to make recommendations on how to handle COVID, nothing else....
Not everyone on it is connected to the HSE.

A good chunk of their recommendations were ignored or half implemented....

Like what they said initially last year:
-a slightly longer first lockdown, to allow the government to establish a functioning track and trace system with easy access testing.....
-fix the health service as best they could in time for Winter 2020/2021 so a full lockdown isn't needed before or after Xmas
-have a diverse vaccination supply so you're not relying fully on the EU supply

all ignored by government

Hang on there now. The main movers and shakers of the HSE are already on NPHET. Why are they making recommendations to government for things they are directly responsible for?

Considering the test and trace still isn't worth a shïtê, I'm glad the government didn't listen to them. We were already at very low numbers long before we started to properly open up late last summer.

Sharpyshoot · 08-04-2021 09:56PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Next 2 weeks are crucial

Next 8 really. We need to have a meaningful summer and close everything for Christmas.

JRant · 08-04-2021 09:57PM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Next 2 weeks are crucial

You could have a meaningful lockdown if you just redouble your efforts

Silentcorner · 08-04-2021 09:58PM

Ya..we need to stay in the most draconian lock down in the Developed world to avoid lock down...it's science!!!

ypres5 · 08-04-2021 10:00PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Didn’t see this before I commented.

It’s exactly what it is, perhaps Ronan got some valuable advice from someone in the know.

Either way, it’s a smart move if a little to late

NPHET are being fitted up for their ides of march moment by the government. Micheal might be a dunce but he didn't last this long in politics by not being able to backstab someone in the name of self preservation

Parachutes · 08-04-2021 10:00PM

I honestly think NPHET just looked at what other countries did and just went one stricter. Goodboyism pervades Irish politics.

paddyisreal · 08-04-2021 10:03PM

Prime time talking about pilot programs for antigen testing like is it not good enough for theses clowns that everywhere else is using the bloody things. It's actually beyond ridiculous how useless this government are.

JRant · 08-04-2021 10:05PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ya..we need to stay in the most draconian lock down in the Developed world to avoid lock down...it's science!!!

But it means they don't have to reimpose lockdowns, which they don't want to do.

If you listen to Glynn in that clip it's speaking out of both side of his mouth. Outdoor dining should absolutely be open but "we're not there yet". Whatever the hell that means.
Just a few short weeks before we can lift restrictions once people are vaccinated. What does that mean? How many vaccinated before they're happy to allow us the live life.

arccosh · 08-04-2021 10:05PM

JRant wrote: »

Hang on there now. The main movers and shakers of the HSE are already on NPHET. Why are they making recommendations to government for things they are directly responsible for?

Considering the test and trace still isn't worth a shïtê, I'm glad the government didn't listen to them. We were already at very low numbers long before we started to properly open up late last summer.

So that's why the HSE complained about NPHET in August and not having enough say at board level after NPHET slammed the HSE?

Sounds like some really good embedding there...

Unfortunately the HSE is a relevant stakeholder to what's being recommended by NPHET... it would actually be total nonsense not having them involved with it at board level.

track and trace is a pile of crap because it was never implemented properly by the government to begin with, then there was that golden period before lockdown 2 when everyone thought that was it, and then they were trying to play catchup again ...

NPHET can only recommend and do not have powers to implement like everyone thinks

gmisk · 08-04-2021 10:08PM

paddyisreal wrote: »

You must be on the wind up. The government are elected to run the country and they made a dogs dinner of it from start to now.from masks, golf gate, vitamin d, antigen testing, airports, the 9 euro happy meal. They have been a disgrace and no revisionism will change that.

No doubt government have made a massive number of mistakes....but people bare no personal responsibility? You don't think a large number of people taking the piss have helped massively drive up the numbers?

08-04-2021 10:09PM

gmisk wrote: »

No blame for the people of ireland who broke restrictions, didn't social distance, visited half the country, went to house parties etc no?

No. For good reason, restrictions the likes of which we’ve seen were never part of pandemic planning, and should not have been imported from authoritarian hellholes by spineless governments in the face of a fearful, propagandised populace demanding daddy government save them from the crisis. They can’t, they haven’t, and their attempts to do so have caused unbelievable damage and destruction to every facet of our society.

Silentcorner · 08-04-2021 10:09PM

ypres5 wrote: »

NPHET are being fitted up for their ides of march moment by the government. Micheal might be a dunce but he didn't last this long in politics by not being able to backstab someone in the name of self preservation

Martin has a huge problem, the public, rightly or wrongly, trust NPHET more than politicians...NPHET have not had to face awkward questions regarding the performance of health bureaucrats from the beginning of this health system debacle.....

Imagine that for a minute, we all know how utterly dysfunctional our Health System is and yet we trust the health officials over our elected leaders, Houlihan is one of the most popular public figures....that is what tens of millions of advertising will do for an organisation.

FF are getting a roasting in the opinion polls...he has 12 months in office before he hands the reins back to Fg....the clock is ticking, the back benchers are publicly criticizing his leadership.

They had a chance back in Feb to lead us out of this madness, but they denied the seasonality factor, I believe this is one of the biggest gambles in Irish history....you can see how the public have reacted to him, people don't care anymore...and those people have been proven right.

How does Martin get out of this one....I said it back in Feb....he is like a man playing 3 card monte and is about to dawn on him how badly things actually are!!

FintanMcluskey · 08-04-2021 10:11PM

Parachutes wrote: »

I honestly think NPHET just looked at what other countries did and just went one stricter. Goodboyism pervades Irish politics.

It wasn’t just about the strictness it was the length of time the lockdown was in place.

For 5 of the last 6 months a travel limit of 5km of our homes was imposed

This article was criticising our lockdown 5 months ago

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/opinion/nphet-now-in-control-of-the-country-s-economic-and-social-policy-1.4388405%3fmode=amp

The Government’s loss of nerve means that Nphet is now in control of the country’s economic and social policy. Yet the people who run it are essentially those who have failed to prepare the health system for the second wave of the virus and are responsible for the shambles that has engulfed the test-and-trace system.

There have to be serious questions about why Ireland has adopted a harsher form of lockdown than any other EU member state. It is not as if the infection rate here is the worst. In fact we are in the middle of the league table, well behind countries like Belgium, the Netherlands and France, while ahead of Germany and the Nordic countries.

This was last October, we’ve spent over 4 months since continuing to be the most suppressed nation in Europe

Joining a common EU-wide policy to tackle Covid-19 is probably our best hope.

bear1 · 08-04-2021 10:13PM

And in the midst of all this, some parties want to have discussions on border polls.
I said it before and I'll say it again, a **** show of a country.

AlekSmart · 08-04-2021 10:13PM

Faugheen wrote: »

This is complete and utter lies by the way. The Chair of NPHET writes to the Minister any time they make reccomendations. They are then asked to present their data and reasonings to Cabinet.

This is to be admired,however there is a wealth of difference between this procedure,and NPHET's recommendations being subject to critical public analysis or challenge.

Would you suggest that ALL of NPHET's communications with Cabinet or Individual Members of,are on the record ?

It will be interesting as time passes,just how much of the NPHET-Cabinet communications will be in the Public Domain,as opposed to being secured under the 30 Year Rule for future generations to ponder over ?

There may well be untruths to be found,but we can hope not ?

gmisk · 08-04-2021 10:14PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

No. For good reason, restrictions the likes of which we’ve seen were never part of pandemic planning, and should not have been imported from authoritarian hellholes by spineless governments in the face of a fearful, propagandised populace demanding daddy government save them from the crisis. They can’t, they haven’t, and their attempts to do so have caused unbelievable damage and destruction to every facet of our society.

So restrictions were the problem?....not some peoples personal behaviour which paid little attention to any restrictions or advice? No personal responsibility on individuals to behave sensibly? Nonsense....lol

AlekSmart · 08-04-2021 10:15PM

bear1 wrote: »

And in the midst of all this, some parties want to have discussions on border polls.
I said it before and I'll say it again, a **** show of a country.

Are you certain that's not POLES,as in,to attach a BIG BEAUTIFUL FENCE to ?

FintanMcluskey · 08-04-2021 10:17PM

gmisk wrote: »

So restrictions were the problem?....not some peoples personal behaviour which paid little attention to any restrictions or advice? Nonsense....lol

No the virus is the problem

The restrictions are a costly ineffective cure

But by god some people are convinced they work, despite no evidence to back it up

BobbyBolivia · 08-04-2021 10:20PM

gmisk wrote: »

So restrictions were the problem?....not some peoples personal behaviour which paid little attention to any restrictions or advice? Nonsense....lol

Like beating a dead horse at this stage.

Level 5 at over 6000 cases, Level 5 at 400 cases (when we are now actively trying to find asymptomatic cases to add to an increasingly irrelevant statistic).

Level 5 at 1341 hospitalised, Level 5 at 226 hospitalised.

Clearly the vast majority did abide by restrictions in order to see such a seismic shift in numbers downward.

But yeah, the public are the ones who are the problem here. Over 1,100 fewer people in hospital but the exact same restrictions regardless.

Nonsense....lol :rolleyes:

paddyisreal · 08-04-2021 10:21PM

gmisk wrote: »

No doubt government have made a massive number of mistakes....but people bare no personal responsibility? You don't think a large number of people taking the piss have helped massively drive up the numbers?

I don't know if it was a large number of people tbh but for sure there have been totally irresponsible people acting the bollocks throughout this but I equate these to people who generally will not obey the law anyway. There will always be a percentage who do what they want and don't take others into account. My problem with the way it is being handled is just the total lack of a plan on how to live with this and resorting to lockdown and another lockdown when certain things could be open all the time to make peoples life's a it easier. Stuff like outdoor sports, hairdressers etc even mass with capacity restrictions.

gmisk · 08-04-2021 10:21PM

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No the virus is the problem

The restrictions are a costly ineffective cure

But by god some people are convinced they work, despite no evidence to back it up

The virus is the problem..okkkk...which is spread how....?....come on

The vast majority of the world if not the whole world have had some type of restrictions.
There is definitely plenty of discussions to be had that ireland have shut down far too harshly for far too long in certain sectors. But some type restrictions are necessary to slow and minimize the spread of covid where possible to do so

normanoffside · 08-04-2021 10:21PM

Silentcorner wrote: »

It'll be interesting to see who they blame for the surge in cancer, heart disease, mental health related deaths not to mention the massive numbers now on waiting lists over the coming years...this health crisis has caused an even greater health crisis!!

They don't count those by daily numbers so no-one will notice.

bear1 · 08-04-2021 10:22PM

gmisk wrote: »

So restrictions were the problem?....not some peoples personal behaviour which paid little attention to any restrictions or advice? No personal responsibility on individuals to behave sensibly? Nonsense....lol

That post has to be winner of biggest load of ****e so far.

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