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Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

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  • #3902
    JMNolan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I have absolutely no problem with anyone having freedom

    What I do have a problem with, is people having there freedom removed due to limited access to a limited resource (vaccine)

    I agree with you and I'd also ask why can people vaccinated (and therefore no longer at significant risk) enjoy more freedoms but young people (who were never at risk) cannot.


  • #3903
    bear1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,900 ✭✭✭✭bear1


    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Interesting to get a view on our lockdown from an international perspective.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/why-ireland-has-the-most-miserable-lockdown-in-the-western-world/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    Is it far off the mark ?

    Spot right on.
    Amazing how compliant the public are, yet all control handed over to nphet and not one party in government is calling them out on it.
    In fact they are trying to make things even harder
    I have never seen the Irish government be so spineless


  • #3904
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Thank fcuk all this stuff is now being quantified in different international sources

    When the exchequer in Ireland bleeds its last cent and can’t fund a basic health service, the reason why is not Covid, its the fact Ireland used lockdown as its primary control measure to deal with Covid
    Exchequer figures show that tax revenues to end-March were up €130 million, or 1 per cent, on the same period last year;

    VAT receipts to end-March were up by €350 million, or 8.4 per cent reflecting the severity of the spring 2020 lockdown;

    Income tax receipts remain resilient, up by 4 per cent, on Q1 2020;
    Figures from the Central Bank show household deposits have reached another record high of €126.4bn continuing a trend that began almost 12 months ago when Covid-19 restrictions came into effect

    Unfounded scare and doom mongering aside, can you imagine what will be spent in quarter 2,3 and 4?


  • #3905
    JMNolan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    Boggles wrote: »
    Can you imagine what will be spent in quarter 2,3 and 4?

    Be a great time to be selling a house. Pent up demand, virtually no house construction, and huge savings. All the ingredients you need for a great sellers market


  • #3906
    Sharpyshoot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 452 ✭✭Sharpyshoot


    JMNolan wrote: »
    Be a great time to be selling a house. Pent up demand, virtually no house construction, and huge savings. All the ingredients you need for a great sellers market

    All before the crash which will be nice.


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  • #3907
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    JMNolan wrote: »
    Be a great time to be selling a house. Pent up demand, virtually no house construction, and huge savings. All the ingredients you need for a great sellers market

    Depends on your individual circumstance really.

    It's rarely been a bad time to sell a house in Ireland in the past 30 years.

    Great time to be an Air B&B listing though.


  • #3908
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,643 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Boggles wrote: »
    Depends on your individual circumstance really.

    It's rarely been a bad time to sell a house in Ireland in the past 30 years.

    Great time to be an Air B&B listing though.

    Ya wha?


  • #3909
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Ya wha?

    Yep.

    From 1980 to 2006 house prices increased every single year bar one.

    Then the property bubble burst which took 6 years to recover and they have been on the rise ever since.

    So bar 7 years out of the last 41 house prices have been increasing.


  • #3910
    JMNolan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    Out of curiosity, this idea of vaccinated people being able to get haircuts, how is this enforced? Is there a central database that a hairdresser can check? Or do fully vaccinated people currently get an unforgeable vaccine passport?


  • #3911
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    Boggles wrote: »
    Depends on your individual circumstance really.

    It's rarely been a bad time to sell a house in Ireland in the past 30 years.

    Great time to be an Air B&B listing though.

    bought our house for 245 in 2012. worth about 500 now. keep dreaming boggles :rolleyes:


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  • #3912
    WrenBoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,614 ✭✭✭WrenBoy


    JMNolan wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, this idea of vaccinated people being able to get haircuts, how is this enforced? Is there a central database that a hairdresser can check? Or do fully vaccinated people currently get an unforgeable vaccine passport?

    You get a brand on the way out.


  • #3913
    copeyhagen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,527 ✭✭✭copeyhagen


    JMNolan wrote: »
    Out of curiosity, this idea of vaccinated people being able to get haircuts, how is this enforced? Is there a central database that a hairdresser can check? Or do fully vaccinated people currently get an unforgeable vaccine passport?

    cant happen, they arent going to turn away business when they open. mental to even suggest from them.


  • #3914
    JMNolan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    Sounds like a plan doomed to fail so


  • #3915
    Boggles
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    copeyhagen wrote: »
    bought our house for 245 in 2012. worth about 500 now. keep dreaming boggles :rolleyes:

    :confused:

    Ah. So your house has doubled in value in 9 years?


  • #3916
    Penfailed
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,694 ✭✭✭Penfailed


    ypres5 wrote: »
    So do you believe that all construction is open as you've claimed in the past?

    I don't really like being in the position of trying to defend Boggles...but I didn't see him say, at any stage, that all construction is open. Feel free to quote where he did and I'll stand corrected.

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  • #3917
    JDD
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    Boggles wrote: »
    Yep.

    From 1980 to 2006 house prices increased every single year bar one.

    Then the property bubble burst which took 6 years to recover and they have been on the rise ever since.

    So bar 7 years out of the last 41 house prices have been increasing.

    I think people tend to look at the past 20 years when they're discussing whether something was easy to buy or sell. Whether it was easy to sell your house in the 1970's isn't really relevant.

    Having said the above, I don't think we're heading for a massive crash. What will happen is a two tier recession. 50% will remain relatively untouched and will see the value of their house and investments increase. 20% will have to make some adjustments as a result of living on PUP or EWSS and then going back to a job that doesn't pay as much, and their remainder will either find their job gone or the ability to earn a living from it vastly reduced.

    Clearly having 50% of workers having their wage reduced is going to have an impact on income tax receipts. But it appears to me that corporate tax receipts are going to remain stable or increase, and may set off a lot of that. In addition, we will have EU injections of cash (basically massive buy ups of government bonds) and that will alleviate the worst of any downward spiral. I can't see them applying austerity at all this time around.


  • #3918
    [Deleted User]
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    Penfailed wrote: »
    I don't really like being in the position of trying to defend Boggles...but I didn't see him say, at any stage, that all construction is open. Feel free to quote where he did and I'll stand corrected.

    Trying to get someone to admit that they are deliberately choosing an extreme version of a position someone has taken rather than what they actually said in order to claim "victory" is an impossibility


  • #3919
    JMNolan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,076 ✭✭✭JMNolan


    I appreciate house buying is an aside but I imagine the lockdowns will ensure houses are even further out of the reach of young people (indeed even places to rent). And the vaccine bonus sounds like someone pulled it out of thin air without any thought, there is no method of enforcing it.


  • #3920
    Boggles
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,566 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    JDD wrote: »
    I think people tend to look at the past 20 years when they're discussing whether something was easy to buy or sell. Whether it was easy to sell your house in the 1970's isn't really relevant.

    TBF I never said easy to sell. It isn't for several reasons, but that's a different matter.
    Depends on your individual circumstance really.

    It's rarely been a bad time to sell a house in Ireland in the past 30 years

    I went back to 1980, you could go back to 1970 if you want.

    But my point was property as an asset rises in value perpetually. Apart from when "we all partied" but even that slump was short lived.

    As long as you didn't buy in really a 2-3 year period and were not forced to sell or were able to service the mortgage you would be pretty much back in the black now.


  • #3921
    growleaves
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,021 ✭✭✭growleaves


    I am posting from the future.

    Sadly, DellyBelly broke his leg on the way to the beach. When he went to hospital he got Karenavirus and had to isolate at home for the entire summer. Then the 5km was brought back in.

    He still hopes to get to the beach one day.


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  • #3922
    Sharpyshoot
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    You know the individual circumstances how now?

    I never said I didn’t. You presumed I didn’t.


  • #3923
    AlekSmart
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,004 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    gozunda wrote: »
    So you would consider the Spanish for example who have to wear a mask outdoors as having been subject to the Irish spreading "project fear"?

    Total ballcocks.

    Indeed....

    However,not all of "The Spanish" are wearing masks outdoors,as there are also vibrant discussions along the Ramblas and in the Wine Bars.

    The issue of "fear" is of course relevant,particularly when comparing Law Enforcement arrangements.

    The somewhat....less delicate....approach of the Policia Nacional /Municipal & Guardia Civil tends to ensure compliance when the risk of them calling around is high.

    An Garda Siochana are just not at the races in comparison.... ;)

    Some municipalities have really entered into the spirit of things,by utilising on-street CCTV systems to track and target Bare Faced Spaniards,much to their disgust.

    There's a nice account in Fodors here...

    https://www.fodors.com/world/europe/spain/experiences/news/famous-for-late-night-dining-spains-restaurant-scene-is-very-different-now

    This bit I love :D
    Drinks company Schweppes has also installed new billboards across the country, displaying phrases such as: “Dear English people: We will accept socks with sandals if you teach us how to eat dinner at 8 p.m.,” encouraging Spaniards to forego their culture in order to save their local eateries.

    The Generalisimo is no doubt smiling benignly down upon it all....:)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #3924
    paddyisreal
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    WrenBoy wrote: »
    Interesting to get a view on our lockdown from an international perspective.

    https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/why-ireland-has-the-most-miserable-lockdown-in-the-western-world/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

    Is it far off the mark ?

    Have to agree with it 100 percent. Romantic Ireland is dead and gone, it's with ó leary in the grave.


  • #3925
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Penfailed wrote: »
    I don't really like being in the position of trying to defend Boggles...but I didn't see him say, at any stage, that all construction is open. Feel free to quote where he did and I'll stand corrected.

    He actually asked me for the same thing yesterday and I linked to a post he made last week saying all domestic construction was open. After i did that he became very evasive (out of character for him) and he hasn't responded to me since


  • #3926
    paddyisreal
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    Israel medical guy from their department of health on newstalk basically laughing at the Irish government for putting them on the quarantine list..
    You have to ask do this government actually have an iota what they are at?


  • #3927
    Boggles
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    ypres5 wrote: »
    He actually asked me for the same thing yesterday and I linked to a post he made last week saying all domestic construction was open. After i did that he became very evasive (out of character for him) and he hasn't responded to me since

    You mean this post?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116747958&postcount=2304


    I stopped responding to you because you kept derailing the thread with your inability to understand what I posted, although I explained it to you several times.

    But you kept claiming I was liar.

    I think I have been more than patient and fair.


  • #3928
    AlekSmart
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    bear1 wrote: »
    Spot right on.
    Amazing how compliant the public are, yet all control handed over to nphet and not one party in government is calling them out on it.
    In fact they are trying to make things even harder
    I have never seen the Irish government be so spineless

    It may not be really that amazing at all.

    Looking back through our history,this island has always had a backstory of laziness,compliance and perhaps the most common thread throughout at least 800 years,that of betrayal.

    Spies,Informers & Collaborators at every level,ensured that our Imperial Neighbours,were never too exercised in their rule of this island.

    Both the R.I.C and the D.M.P maintained a vast network of informants and embedded spies throughout all levels of Nationalism,all of whom were highly productive in their efforts.

    More recently even up to the very last weeks of the Campaign leading up to the Good Friday agreement,the scourge of informants and spies continued to bedevil those active against the Crown.

    Could be argued,that throughout the history of this Republic,a succession of "spineless" Politicians (usually serial Poll Toppers)were in fact accurately reflecting the make up and wishes of their electorate ?

    Fear (and a few bob) is still the Key :)


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • #3929
    Silentcorner
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    paddyisreal wrote: »
    Israel medical guy from their department of health on newstalk basically laughing at the Irish government for putting them on the quarantine list..
    You have to ask do this government actually have an iota what they are at?

    Given that there isn't one other country in the developed world doing what we are doing, there are a lot more countries laughing at us...and why wouldn't they!!!

    It is clear NPHET need to be stood down and let our elected leaders dictate the pace of re opening...before every last young person with a brain and ambition has emigrated.


  • #3930
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Silentcorner wrote: »
    there are a lot more countries laughing at us...and why wouldn't they!!!

    because they really couldn't care less what goes on in Ireland?


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  • #3931
    ypres5
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,168 ✭✭✭ypres5


    Boggles wrote: »
    You mean this post?

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=116747958&postcount=2304


    I stopped responding to you because you kept derailing the thread with your inability to understand what I posted, although I explained it to you several times.

    But you kept claiming I was liar.

    I think I have been more than patient and fair.

    Your post from 25/3. How do you know this is true and what's your source?

    we also know the vast majority of construction workers are working.


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