What exactly is happening with AstraZeneca?

murphaph wrote: »

That's just your body telling you it's responding to the threat and fighting it, in the process giving you those lovely antibodies.

Congratulations on your vaccination :-)

Just on this.

Worth remembering that a large amount of people in the clinical trials had no reactions of any kind. The vaccines still proved effective.
You do not necessarily need to develop symptoms after the vaccine for it to be effective.

Everyone's experience will be different. If you don't have any reaction like some posters seem to have it doesn't mean the vaccine didn't work on you.

Hurrache wrote: »

Out of those I know who've had both their doses, the one person who received it because they're in a risk category was the only one not to feel a bit ****ty after them. The younger crowed who've had them because they're health professionals all were knocked back.

center told me yesterday, many younger people are vomiting after the fact, thankfully none of that for me

mick087 wrote: »

Never a truer word spoken.

Bambi wrote: »

If you think of the HSE as a health system then you're thinking about it wrong, its a favour generatng machine for politicians that runs off your taxes

Its working perfectly in that regard and won't be changed

i completely disagree with this, our health system is now so bad, its actually endangering all of us, its so bad, we ve had to shut down the economy for a year, in order to protect it, thats just unacceptable, and bloody dangerous

Wanderer78 wrote: »

center told me yesterday, many younger people are vomiting after the fact, thankfully none of that for me

i completely disagree with this, our health system is now so bad, its actually endangering all of us, its so bad, we ve had to shut down the economy for a year, in order to protect it, thats just unacceptable, and bloody dangerous

We seem to have a 3 tier health system here.
Would be great if their was only a 1 tier system.
But were a long way off this sort of equality.

mick087 wrote: »

We seem to have a 3 tier health system here.
Would be great if their was only a 1 tier system.
But were a long way off this sort of equality.

ive no idea where we go with this, but enough is enough, it needs a deep gutting and significant investment, all at the same time

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Australia have now banned Astrazeneca for under 50's.

Another EU country playing politics /s

Amazing when the EU started investigating the issue certain posters and media were saying the EU where only using it as an excuse for brexit or the slow vaccine rollout etc...

I think once up to cohort 7 are done here, the government will have to rethink who gets AZ.
Start 18+ with Pfizer etc... And starting 65 and below with AZ concurrently. Hopefully they are thinking ahead and it won't lead to a vaccination pause while they figure out the best way forward.

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Sounds about right.

The arm will be sore a couple of days.

Did you get he fluey chills and sweats last night?

i did yea, some aches and pains today, but firing pain killers into me now

Bambi wrote: »

EU is finally getting real and preventing vaccines from leaving Europe. Obviously this will have ramifications for the EUs reputation as a rules based trade organisation but sure, when all you're capable of is f****ing up you might as well f*** up towards a goal, and vaccination is a worthy goal

https://www.politico.eu/article/vaccine-export-block-europe-coronavirus-astrazeneca/

One would assume the posters who previously had lambasted the UK for a lack of solidarity, narrow nationalism, and so forth when they took this approach will be equally vociferous in their condemnation of the EU, who were above such an approach.

A literal example of the "can't win" world that the weird pro-UK cohort that has risen in this country love to revel in.

Bambi wrote: »

EU is finally getting real and preventing vaccines from leaving Europe. Obviously this will have ramifications for the EUs reputation as a rules based trade organisation but sure, when all you're capable of is f****ing up you might as well f*** up towards a goal, and vaccination is a worthy goal

https://www.politico.eu/article/vaccine-export-block-europe-coronavirus-astrazeneca/

One would assume the posters who previously had lambasted the UK for a lack of solidarity, narrow nationalism, and so forth when they took this approach will be equally vociferous in their condemnation of the EU, who were above such an approach.

Bambi why can't you post anything without putting an odd twist of your own on it. This is about AstraZeneca and it's production shortfall.

Why should AZ be allowed export millions of vaccines they produce in factories in the EU to keep their other customers with smaller volume orders happy while they short the EU order? They've already done that once with the UK.

Allowing the company to do it again would not be showing "solidarity" with their other customers, it's being a doormat or a useful idiot + acting that way definitely has consequences for how others treat you IMO.

If AZ promised Australia or UK x number of vaccines produced out of factories in the EU IMO the most they should be allowed to export is ~ 20-30 % of amount since that's about how well they've done on fulfilling the EU order out of the same production.

Goldengirl wrote: »

Not to mention its trials on military and state employees which doesn't in that state lend itself to open reporting of side effects ...

If you are going to insist on "trials on military and state employees" and "states lending itself to open reporting" as a reason not to take a vaccine. Why not provide some balance?


Look at what happened to Julian Assange, Bradley / Chelsea Manning or Edward Snowden for "open reporting" on the wrongs of Western governments.


You could also look at what happened to George Floyd or Jean Charles De Menezes or even Sarah Everard when state employees (police) decide to kill.


Other countries are not without their problems but the West has plenty of blood on its hands too in this regard.


Again, my reason for not having a problem taking the Sputnik vaccine if it was made available here has nothing to do with politics.

robinph wrote: »

So it seems that the evil UK who wasn't exporting any vaccines to anywhere and was just hoarding them all and stealing them from the EU and India, did actually export 750,000 to Australia back in February.

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/more-than-700-000-astrazeneca-doses-secretly-flown-to-australia-from-britain-20210407-p57hcl.html

Didn't make a dent in the subsequent UK vaccine rollout either, but nobody was making a song and dance about it at the time.

Note the "secretly".

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Meh, no one cares about the Brexit vaccine anymore, it turned out to be a load of hot air. An overglorified placebo with dangerous side effects.

Brits can have it all for all I care, at the rate this AZ dumpster fire keeps burning it be banned from use in normal countries. Hell even the australians are afraid of it to be used on young/healthy people.

We have Serbia and Chile now who have vaccinated a large chunk of population with questionable vaccines similar to AZ and neither is doing particularly well. While on other hand we have Israel who used Pfizer and doing real well.

Hell with AZ, double down on Pfizer and Moderna (and maybe J&J)

"The brexit vaccine" , "A placebo"

What an utter load of nonsense, as bad as those that refer to covid as "The China Virus"

That placebo looks to be doing a mighty fine job with regards to infection rates in the UK

I presume you take other medicines ? You know they all come with rare side effects?

robinph wrote: »

Yes, the risk would be all on the vaccine side for Australia... Right up until a month after they reopen their borders at which point they would be a long way behind the curve for getting vaccines administered. Even with all people on inbound flights to Australia being vaccinated, it would still get through at that point, and unless you have your local population vaccinated then you'd be screwed, or heading straight back to March 2020 lockdown and shutting of borders.

Countries like Australia and NZ, basically any zero covid country will have the same issues, especially with take-up and of course when they try to reopen their borders.
It has to be sold as take the vaccine to reopen the borders and you can travel, as apposed to here where it's get vaccinated to protect yourself and others.