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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #4502
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    If vaccine passports do become a thing I definitely don't want astrazeneca. Having to wait 3 months before you're free to enjoy life would just be too much to take. There would need to be allowances that if you've gotten the first dose (and a certain amount of time has elapsed for it to become effective) then you're good to go.

    The way I see it I will most likely be offered AZ when it my turn . I will definitely take it but be slightly disappointed that I don’t qualify for Pfizer .
    If the put three or four vaccines in front of me and ask me to pick one I would not pick AZ . It would be bottom of my list . But beggars can’t be choosers so I will take what I am offered and be a bit miffed that I have to wait 15 weeks to be fully vaccinated when my husband will be in 5 weeks.


  • #4503
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    Can you imagine trying to orchestrate a two tier system here? One that would now have the nurses on one side and the teachers on the other?!
    That would be battle to end all battles! The immovable object against the unstoppable force.

    I almost want to see that.


  • #4504
    marno21
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,709 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    ddarcy wrote: »
    I know Dr Fauci had said AZ won’t be needed in the US now. Novovax (which I personally think is the best one) is going for approval in a few weeks in the US.

    Unfortunately AZ has politics thrown in now with the EU/ UK spat. Plus AZ (and I’ve done contract work with them before for clinical trials designs) have a history of making a balls out of clinical testing. They are/were mandated to go through CROs to check and verify anything done in the US to get FDA approval. So to say AZ has history in this regard is an understatement.

    The minute it’ll be feasible to do so AZ will be dropped by anyone who can. It’s been one continuous train wreck from beginning to end.

    Pfizer/Biontech have played an absolute blinder in comparison. Much more logistical challenges, cutting edge manufacturing and they have lived up to expectations.

    Perhaps if the UK had let Oxford partner with someone more competent it would have given a better result for the world as a whole.


  • #4505
    [Deleted User]
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    giveitholly wrote: »
    I was wondering why Aisling O'Loughlin(former Xpose presenter,I had to look that up) was appearing on my twitter timeline. She has gone down the rabbit hole of the conspiracy theorists and is posting some awful bat**** crazy stuff on Instagram about vaccines and masks.

    link???


  • #4506
    kippy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,347 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    marno21 wrote: »
    The minute it’ll be feasible to do so AZ will be dropped by anyone who can. It’s been one continuous train wreck from beginning to end.

    Pfizer/Biontech have played an absolute blinder in comparison. Much more logistical challenges, cutting edge manufacturing and they have lived up to expectations.

    Perhaps if the UK had let Oxford partner with someone more competent it would have given a better result for the world as a whole.

    Hindsight is 20/20


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  • #4507
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    rusty cole wrote: »
    link???

    She has videos up on her Instagram account,don't know how to link them here but below is a Twitter account talking about her

    https://twitter.com/ThePhoenixMag/status/1379712834490265602?s=19


  • #4508
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    giveitholly wrote: »
    She has videos up on her Instagram account,don't know how to link them here but below is a Twitter account talking about her

    https://twitter.com/ThePhoenixMag/status/1379712834490265602?s=19

    how is she gone down a rabbit hole? she lives in France and uptake there is in the low 50% bracket. so half the population of France are down this big rabbit hole?
    that's some mysterious dark Jim jones like figure converting half of France isn't it...

    she has a point of view and a reason/platform for saying it , so what?
    slow news day I guess.


  • #4509
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    rusty cole wrote: »
    how is she gone down a rabbit hole? she lives in France and uptake there is in the low 50% bracket. so half the population of France are down this big rabbit hole?
    that's some mysterious dark Jim jones like figure converting half of France isn't it...

    she has a point of view and a reason/platform for saying it , so what?
    slow news day I guess.

    Did you look at her videos about wearing masks?


  • #4510
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    rusty cole wrote: »
    how is she gone down a rabbit hole? she lives in France and uptake there is in the low 50% bracket. so half the population of France are down this big rabbit hole?
    that's some mysterious dark Jim jones like figure converting half of France isn't it...

    she has a point of view and a reason/platform for saying it , so what?
    slow news day I guess.

    The reason is nonsense and the platform is fashion - stacks up


  • #4511
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    rusty cole wrote: »
    how is she gone down a rabbit hole? she lives in France and uptake there is in the low 50% bracket. so half the population of France are down this big rabbit hole?
    that's some mysterious dark Jim jones like figure converting half of France isn't it...

    she has a point of view and a reason/platform for saying it , so what?
    slow news day I guess.
    Nah, if you look at the videos, it's actually all batsh1t stuff. Claiming that children are "gasping for breath" wearing masks, claiming that masks are bad for your health because you're breathing in "waste air" all day, etc.

    She calls the vaccines "experimental drugs" and believes that the whole thing is a big scam.

    So, yeah, she's down the rabbit hole.

    IIRC she had a fairly high-profile mental breakdown along the lines of Britney Spears a while back, and she's spoken on mental health issues a few times.

    So it's not a leap to suggest that she's unfortunately struggling with mental health again. And like G O'D's mental struggles, people watching her nonsense and discussing it only adds fuel to the flames.
    It would be better if people just ignored her rather than sending her deeper into the spiral by giving it publicity.


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  • #4512
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    seamus wrote: »
    Which means there will be very little justification for the reopening of stuff in May to not be accelerated. Outdoor dining & boozing, sports, personal services, non-essential retail, etc. Maybe even self-catering accommodation in hotels. NPHET will undoubtedly still want a cautious approach, but the pressure on Government will be immense, and the numbers will only add to that pressure.

    But... we are dealing with "a whole new virus" Micheál will tell us


  • #4513
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    mloc123 wrote: »
    But... we are dealing with "a whole new virus" Micheál will tell us

    Or his new preferred phrase, "an altogether different beast".


  • #4514
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,346 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    seamus wrote: »
    Nah, if you look at the videos, it's actually all batsh1t stuff. Claiming that children are "gasping for breath" wearing masks, claiming that masks are bad for your health because you're breathing in "waste air" all day, etc.

    She calls the vaccines "experimental drugs" and believes that the whole thing is a big scam.

    So, yeah, she's down the rabbit hole.

    IIRC she had a fairly high-profile mental breakdown along the lines of Britney Spears a while back, and she's spoken on mental health issues a few times.

    So it's not a leap to suggest that she's unfortunately struggling with mental health again. And like G O'D's mental struggles, people watching her nonsense and discussing it only adds fuel to the flames.
    It would be better if people just ignored her rather than sending her deeper into the spiral by giving it publicity.

    Didn't realise she had mental health problems,actually feel sorry for her then,probably explains her rants so


  • #4515
    FlubberJones
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭FlubberJones


    Its at these stages where we've really seen the plebs in charge struggle, they have it "easy" when they have a lockdown in place. Now that we are getting some easing they are absolutely HOPELESS, the "strategies" they use are ridiculous and seem to make Ireland look like a laughing stock


  • #4516
    Mysteriouschic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,391 ✭✭✭Mysteriouschic


    Vaccinated to go the hairdressers or the shops? all the government are doing are creating a huge divide between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated . Then they need to vaccinate shop workers and hairdressers etc.
    I don't think vaccine should be mandatory either with the high survival rate of the virus.


  • #4517
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    marno21 wrote: »
    The minute it’ll be feasible to do so AZ will be dropped by anyone who can. It’s been one continuous train wreck from beginning to end.

    Pfizer/Biontech have played an absolute blinder in comparison. Much more logistical challenges, cutting edge manufacturing and they have lived up to expectations.

    Perhaps if the UK had let Oxford partner with someone more competent it would have given a better result for the world as a whole.

    I agree that AZ will migrate over to emerging markets and GAVI type countries however its slightly disingenuous to compare Pfizer to AZ

    Pfizer bought a company for the sole purpose of RNA development, and are making 15B per year on the vaccine.

    AZ partnered with an academic institution and are making the vaccine at essentially cost price - one could conceivably argue that AZ are in fact much more valuable in terms of providing a low cost global solution.


  • #4518
    Sofa King Great
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 872 ✭✭✭Sofa King Great


    FlubberJones wrote: »
    Its at these stages where we've really seen the plebs in charge struggle, they have it "easy" when they have a lockdown in place. Now that we are getting some easing they are absolutely HOPELESS, the "strategies" they use are ridiculous and seem to make Ireland look like a laughing stock

    This is always going to be an issue when the Dail is filled with career politicians, ex teachers and publicans who rely on populist support to stay employed.

    When things are very bad they can impose lockdown and everyone is happy. Now, when hard decisions are to be made they are seen to be floundering and becoming more susceptible to lobbying from various groups

    Now in saying all that, I'd never want to become a politician. You open up your entire life to scrutiny, get abuse from all sides and one decision that isn't popular (even if it's the right thing to do) could see your career over. That same issue could make it very hard for you to get a job in the future too


  • #4519
    bodhrandude
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,934 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    .

    Have to say I don't like the way this is going. Vaccine passports to get a haircut.

    They can feck off, I'll turn up for my haircut with my mask.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • #4520
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    I agree that AZ will migrate over to emerging markets and GAVI type countries however its slightly disingenuous to compare Pfizer to AZ

    Pfizer bought a company for the sole purpose of RNA development, and are making 15B per year on the vaccine.

    AZ partnered with an academic institution and are making the vaccine at essentially cost price - one could conceivably argue that AZ are in fact much more valuable in terms of providing a low cost global solution.

    And to be fair to AZ, that is what they do. They don’t have the expertise or capacity of a Pfizer or a j&J, and that was evident in the way that they engaged with the regulators. Given the nature of the company, they have made a fantastic contribution to the vaccine effort. And when the others step up, they’ll go back to what they do best


  • #4521
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    bodhrandude wrote: »
    They can feck off, I'll turn up for my haircut with my mask.

    Very unlikely to happen and just another crap newspaper article.


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  • #4522
    [Deleted User]
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    seamus wrote: »
    Nah, if you look at the videos, it's actually all batsh1t stuff. Claiming that children are "gasping for breath" wearing masks, claiming that masks are bad for your health because you're breathing in "waste air" all day, etc.

    She calls the vaccines "experimental drugs" and believes that the whole thing is a big scam.

    So, yeah, she's down the rabbit hole.

    IIRC she had a fairly high-profile mental breakdown along the lines of Britney Spears a while back, and she's spoken on mental health issues a few times.

    So it's not a leap to suggest that she's unfortunately struggling with mental health again. And like G O'D's mental struggles, people watching her nonsense and discussing it only adds fuel to the flames.
    It would be better if people just ignored her rather than sending her deeper into the spiral by giving it publicity.

    To answer the other poster, No I don't have twitter that's why I just asked for a link. But I can tell you this fair play to you, your post above is spot on, not just a dismissive blanket of she's crazy but 100% plausible context. There's a lot of broken minds being exploited but again that doesn't mean everyone is crazy for adding a contra entry of any measure..hers seems to be fueled on the high end of the spectrum if that's what she's repeating. I'd say repeating because all of these people on twitter wouldn't know alveoli from ravioli!! very strange so yes she should stick to fashion.

    that's a good post thanks :)


  • #4523
    MarkY91
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,073 ✭✭✭MarkY91


    mloc123 wrote: »
    But... we are dealing with "a whole new virus" Micheál will tell us

    The new virus is called NPHET.


  • #4524
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    .

    Have to say I don't like the way this is going. Vaccine passports to get a haircut.

    I'll probably get hopped on for being a government mouthpiece, or whatever, but vaccine passports are very likely to be relatively short lived if introduced. While there is a large group of unvaccinated they may be needed but once critical mass is reached and everyone has one, no one will look for them before allowing people to enter. They're already becoming irrelevant in Israel.

    It's like asking a nation of 17 year olds for ID for a year and then once everyone turns 18 you dont ask any more. No democratic government wants to bring these in as they're an unpopular idea, but if you think this is some level of nefarious control then you need have a proper think about it.


  • #4525
    [Deleted User]
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    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    I'll probably get hopped on for being a government mouthpiece, or whatever, but vaccine passports are very likely to be relatively short lived if introduced. While there is a large group of unvaccinated they may be needed but once critical mass is reached and everyone has one, no one will look for them before allowing people to enter. They're already becoming irrelevant in Israel.

    It's like asking a nation of 17 year olds for ID for a year and then once everyone turns 18 you dont ask any more. No democratic government wants to bring these in as they're an unpopular idea, but if you think this is some level of nefarious control then you need have a proper think about it.

    The government will tell you that's conspiracy talk but they hardly help the case or instill thrust based on the ID card fiasco..they've themselves to blame if nobody trusts they're greater good motive talk. it's the arrogance that annoys most of us too.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/state-will-not-learn-from-public-services-card-fiasco-1.3993229

    https://www.thejournal.ie/public-services-card-report-regina-doherty-4813611-Sep2019/


  • #4526
    What Username Guidelines
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    rusty cole wrote: »
    The government will tell you that's conspiracy talk but they hardly help the case or instill thrust based on the ID card fiasco..they've themselves to blame if nobody trusts they're greater good motive talk. it's the arrogance that annoys most of us too.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/technology/state-will-not-learn-from-public-services-card-fiasco-1.3993229

    https://www.thejournal.ie/public-services-card-report-regina-doherty-4813611-Sep2019/

    Oh absolutely, it'll be a clusterf*ck of an implementation given track record, I was more dampening down the idea that it was some form of control or tracking.


  • #4527
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Oh absolutely, it'll be a clusterf*ck of an implementation given track record, I was more dampening down the idea that it was some form of control or tracking.

    I am dead against them - but not for those reasons as, yes, those reasons are a little ridiculous. There is more than one way to skin a cat though, to be fair.

    And then there's the question of fairness too which should not be overlooked.

    Not to mention they most likely would not work anyway. If a barber shop is open, then it's open and, well, a paper doesn't refuse ink.


  • #4528
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    The vaccines passports worked exceptionally well in Israel and allowed an accelerated reopening of the higher risk indoors venues. Governments everywhere will definitely be taking that it account.

    Is it fair? Nope. Very little has been fair during this pandemic. A certification or passport system is another unfair option. Just that this time it may assist the economy.

    It'll be a moot point come Oct*. However, until that time it'll be very interesting to see what steps Ireland take.

    *assuming a variant does not fck everything up


  • #4529
    [Deleted User]
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    Turtwig wrote: »

    *assuming a variant does not fck everything up

    Variants are popping up all over the place, probably tens of thousands of them at this stage, or more.

    Only a handful are problematic. Even then, existing vaccines can be easily modified as they are dealing with the same "beast", which can never ever mutate into anything other than a version of itself.

    So, even when NPHET begins the New Variant Fear campaign, which will probably go into force at the start of June, it should be no reason whatsoever to un-lock the economy, the country, and her people.


  • #4530
    [Deleted User]
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    If the passport is domestically based on getting 2 doses + another 2 weeks its beyond unworkable


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  • #4531
    What Username Guidelines
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    Turtwig wrote: »
    The vaccines passports worked exceptionally well in Israel and allowed an accelerated reopening of the higher risk indoors venues. Governments everywhere will definitely be taking that it account.

    Is it fair? Nope. Very little has been fair during this pandemic. A certification or passport system is another unfair option. Just that this time it may assist the economy.

    It'll be a moot point come Oct*. However, until that time it'll be very interesting to see what steps Ireland take.

    *assuming a variant does not fck everything up

    I think this is key. We've already seen lots of arguments of "let the healthy get on with it and those scared stay home". With a vaccine cert it will allow a faster reopening for the immune to continue on with life, but this time the numbers of those certified immune will grow every day.


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