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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • #6992
    RandomViewer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,173 ✭✭✭RandomViewer


    Buying shows and putting them on in the middle of the night so Virgin can't show them is one very obvious waste of money,


  • #6993
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    elperello wrote: »
    I did it too and there were sections where you could write in your own free range opinions.

    We don't want to be writing stuff that won't even be read let alone taken seriously, what is needed is an open public citizen forum discourse that takes into account our concerns and is recorded by outside agencies that have no affiliation to the RTE organisation. What's not to like? You want 'change' right?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #6994
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,409 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    buried wrote: »
    And remind us all there what the percentage ratio on that poll concerning reducing salaries is, elprello?

    27.40% just wanting to reduce salaries.

    Link to thread for clarity - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057868730&page=463

    I don't believe reducing salaries will really improve matters.


  • #6995
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    elperello wrote: »
    27.40% just wanting to reduce salaries.

    Link to thread for clarity - https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057868730&page=463

    I don't believe reducing salaries will really improve matters.

    27% plus another 39% that want salaries reduced along with the number of channels and 'services' which I have no problem with either. Add that percentage to the 29% that want it totally scraped, it doesn't look too good now does it?

    How do you mean that reducing salaries won't improve matters? You think they should be further increased?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #6996
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,783 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Galwayguy35 wrote: »
    Sounds like you were one of the folks who rejected the idea.

    Well I pay my license and I'd like to see someone like Mick O Leary go in there and show those twats how to turn things around.


    given he doesn't have experience of running a media organisation then he won't be showing anyone anything.


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Eh no.. How about they let RTE survive or fall on its own merits or implement a subscription service so those who DO want to fund it can pay for it.

    Probably because RTE wouldn't survive unless they can force people to pay.

    I pay the licence but the only way I'd be happy is if they scrapped RTE 2 and most of the radio stations and stopped trying to compete with the BBC and Sky in the entertainment stakes for things we've all probably seen elsewhere anyway.

    Limit it to news, current affairs, cultural programming (not including stupid home makeover shows or Irish versions of UK/US talent shows) and domestic sports or sports featuring Irish international teams.

    Do that at half the current license fee and I don't think anyone would have an issue and compliance would be a lot higher.


    you are not going to get news, current affairs and cultural program at half the license fee, it's just not deliverable given they are the most expensive programs to make.
    you certainly aren't going to get such programming while expecting the broadcaster to survive or fall on it's own merrits, and implementing a nonsense subscription model is unviable as nobody is going to pay for content they once received for free.
    there are only 2 ways you get the broadcaster you want, a high license fee or funded from general taxation.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



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  • #6997
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,409 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    buried wrote: »
    We don't want to be writing stuff that won't even be read let alone taken seriously, what is needed is an open public citizen forum discourse that takes into account our concerns and is recorded by outside agencies that have no affiliation to the RTE organisation. What's not to like? You want 'change' right?

    If you didn't want to take part in that process that is your right and I respect that.

    I didn't say it was the sort of process we need I was just stating my experience of using it.

    I have posted many times in support of a Public Broadcasting Service and I think most people want that.

    Change without clear direction will not give us the result we deserve.


  • #6998
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    elperello wrote: »
    If you didn't want to take part in that process that is your right and I respect that.

    I didn't say it was the sort of process we need I was just stating my experience of using it.

    I have posted many times in support of a Public Broadcasting Service and I think most people want that.

    Change without clear direction will not give us the result we deserve.

    I did take part in it elp, but as I have said, what I and the vast majority of people want, that won't be acknowledged, let alone listened to. I want a PBS too, but I want to see it based more on the framework done by TG4, they have no problem setting up their service and they do it on a shoestring budget compared to RTE.
    The result we deserve is what we want. And people are sick to death of paying ridiculous amounts of taxpayers money into an organisation that somehow in its own head thinks that it is a branch of Hollywood on a tiny island, a island where funds are lacking in other and more important vital public service areas.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #6999
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,409 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    buried wrote: »
    27% plus another 39% that want salaries reduced along with the number of channels and 'services' which I have no problem with either. Add that percentage to the 29% that want it totally scraped, it doesn't look too good now does it?

    How do you mean that reducing salaries won't improve matters? You think they should be further increased?

    My point was that even in a thread where most of the posts were to put it mildly anti RTE to get only 29% wanting it scrapped was a bit of a result.

    It indicates to me that there is broad support among the general public for a PBS.

    Piecemeal solutions like cutting salaries, reducing services and selling things off will only serve to reduce the viability of the service without providing a vision of what we actually want.


  • #7000
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    elperello wrote: »
    My point was that even in a thread where most of the posts were to put it mildly anti RTE to get only 29% wanting it scrapped was a bit of a result.

    It indicates to me that there is broad support among the general public for a PBS.

    Piecemeal solutions like cutting salaries, reducing services and selling things off will only serve to reduce the viability of the service without providing a vision of what we actually want.

    What sort of change would you like to see happen elp?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #7001
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,409 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    buried wrote: »
    I did take part in it elp, but as I have said, what I and the vast majority of people want, that won't be acknowledged, let alone listened to. I want a PBS too, but I want to see it based more on the framework done by TG4, they have no problem setting up their service and they do it on a shoestring budget compared to RTE.
    The result we deserve is what we want. And people are sick to death of paying ridiculous amounts of taxpayers money into an organisation that somehow in its own head thinks that it is a branch of Hollywood on a tiny island, a island where funds are lacking in other and more important vital public service areas.

    Sorry I took you up wrong when you said you didn't want to be writing stuff.

    I get it that you had little faith in the process.

    We seem to want the same thing but we each have our own interpretation of what a good PBS would look like.

    That's not really a problem and I'm sure you don't expect any future PBS to perfectly suit your requirements any more than I expect it to perfectly suit mine.


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  • #7002
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    Iv never paid for a tv licence in all my years. It actually never came into my head to buy one. I promise not to change


  • #7003
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    elperello wrote: »
    Sorry I took you up wrong when you said you didn't want to be writing stuff.

    I get it that you had little faith in the process.

    We seem to want the same thing but we each have our own interpretation of what a good PBS would look like.

    That's not really a problem and I'm sure you don't expect any future PBS to perfectly suit your requirements any more than I do.

    No problem at all elp, but I really am interested to hear what sort of changes you would like to see. Because, and I might myself be taking you up totally wrong here, but it really seems to me like you don't actually want any sort of change whatsoever? Sorry now if that isn't the case, but I'd be genuinely interested to hear what changes you would like from our PSB, if any?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #7004
    Marty Bird
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭Marty Bird


    RTE should ask their DB pension fund for a bailout all problems would be solved.

    🌞6.02kWp⚡️3.01kWp South/East⚡️3.01kWp West



  • #7005
    The DayDream
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭The DayDream


    I've never paid it but I'm going for a job in RTE, sounds like a great place to work and then all you unwashed plebs can pay my wages.

    Why can't we just legalize marijuana and fund RTE off that? Tho I don't think even stoners watch it, it's that crap.


  • #7006
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,409 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    buried wrote: »
    What sort of change would you like to see happen elp?

    In terms of programming I know that my tastes are not mainstream so I wouldn't like to be prescriptive in that regard.

    I recognise that any PBS that put on programmes just to suit me would not do well.

    I like a full news bulletin at 6pm all through the year.

    As for peoples salaries and conditions I would like to see all employees getting the going rate for their job. As a taxpayer I'd like to see value for money. Ultimately though those matters would be dealt with by management negotiating with unions and agents.


  • #7007
    StaticNoise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭StaticNoise


    I took part in the RTÉ survey from a few pages back.
    I found that the questions were incredibly limited and leading, and there was little to no opportunity for objective criticism or honest feedback.

    Not tinfoil-hat wearing feedback, but constructive feedback. There was too much 'sentiment' questions that will do little to change or gauge feedback.

    "I believe that programming should be high quality"
    "I believe that programming should be for all"

    Hard to disagree with any of that. You're hardly going to say 'strongly disagree' to them. It struck me as an opportunity for them to use sentiment to justify things.


  • #7008
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    elperello wrote: »
    In terms of programming I know that my tastes are not mainstream so I wouldn't like to be prescriptive in that regard.

    I'm the same. I'd like to see more experimental independent music being showcased, RTE used to provide that through shows such as 'No disco', which were very popular and remembered with high regard by the vast majority of Irish music fans, but that's totally gone now. But sure you can tell us here at least what your tastes are and we can all maybe then see if your tastes are somewhat mainstream, and discuss that, as opposed to what RTE currently deems or dictates our tastes to be and therefore 'mainstream' such as shows where Davy Fitzgerald is roaring at a family to swim faster through a boghole.

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #7009
    Gen.Zhukov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,163 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    elperello wrote: »
    My point was that even in a thread where most of the posts were to put it mildly anti RTE to get only 29% wanting it scrapped was a bit of a result.

    You seem to be ignoring the 39.75% (that are probably more representative of the country) that want massive reform in there.

    Your agenda looks to be very pro household device charge or for it to be funded by direct central taxation which would would really suit RTE down to the ground as people would not be asking themselves once a year - "why am I paying these useless ****'s €160 pa?"

    The buck stops with Forbesy. She is there 5 years and has pulled the guts of €2m for her services. What has she done there to justify this remuneration?


  • #7010
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,409 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Gen.Zhukov wrote: »
    You seem to be ignoring the 39.75% (that are probably more representative of the country) that want massive reform in there.

    Your agenda looks to be very pro household device charge or for it to be funded by direct central taxation which would would really suit RTE down to the ground as people would not be asking themselves once a year - "why am I paying these useless ****'s €160 pa?"

    The buck stops with Forbesy. She is there 5 years and has pulled the guts of €2m for her services. What has she done there to justify this remuneration?

    I posted a link to the full poll for anyone interested to check up so I'm hardly ignoring it.

    To be frank most of the reduce this, cut that, sell something off posing as reform is hard to address constructively so I usually let it pass.

    I want a sustainable future for a PBS in Ireland not to impose my notions of how to run RTE on anybody.

    I definitely did not say I support a device charge nor is it on my "agenda".

    I clearly said that I prefer the direct taxation model and yes it would avoid all the complaining about paying. That's one of the advantages, others include no evasion and no collection costs.

    The job is one for the politicians. They need to make policy to be delivered by the DG, either the current one or a new incumbent.


  • #7011
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,409 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    buried wrote: »
    I'm the same. I'd like to see more experimental independent music being showcased, RTE used to provide that through shows such as 'No disco', which were very popular and remembered with high regard by the vast majority of Irish music fans, but that's totally gone now. But sure you can tell us here at least what your tastes are and we can all maybe then see if your tastes are somewhat mainstream, and discuss that, as opposed to what RTE currently deems or dictates our tastes to be and therefore 'mainstream' such as shows where Davy Fitzgerald is roaring at a family to swim faster through a boghole.

    Music programmes can be very "marmite" but I do like to see new talent showcased.

    Is that what Davy is shouting about?

    I can definitely confirm that I have never watched that programme but I heard the promos for it which was quite enough.


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  • #7012
    buried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,980 ✭✭✭buried


    elperello wrote: »
    Music programmes can be very "marmite" but I do like to see new talent showcased.

    Is that what Davy is shouting about?

    I can definitely confirm that I have never watched that programme but I heard the promos for it which was quite enough.

    Well, another of the things I wanted to say in that online RTE survey open to the public was the shocking lack/non existence of programming of an artistic nature currently on the RTE television channels. Its not that difficult to find one competent artist/painter on this island out of the thousands that currently live here that could be involved with a television show that could maybe showcase their artistic skills in painting the fantastic Irish landscape, showcasing that skill, showcasing the landscape while at the same time educating or encouraging other people that are watching to take up the same artistic skill/hobby. Bob Ross is internationally known for this type of relaxing, informative and cost effective type of show. This kind of show would be hugely beneficial to the public in a proper PSB effort and totally cost effective. But literally no sort of show exists on any of the RTE channels.

    What would you like to see on RTE that currently isn't there, elp?

    Bullet The Blue Shirts



  • #7013
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,409 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    buried wrote: »
    Well, another of the things I wanted to say in that online RTE survey open to the public was the shocking lack/non existence of programming of an artistic nature currently on the RTE television channels. Its not that difficult to find one competent artist/painter on this island out of the thousands that currently live here that could be involved with a television show that could maybe showcase their artistic skills in painting the fantastic Irish landscape, showcasing that skill, showcasing the landscape while at the same time educating or encouraging other people that are watching to take up the same artistic skill/hobby. Bob Ross is internationally known for this type of relaxing, informative and cost effective type of show. This kind of show would be hugely beneficial to the public in a proper PSB effort and totally cost effective. But literally no sort of show exists on any of the RTE channels.

    What would you like to see on RTE that currently isn't there, elp?

    Nationwide sometimes covers this type of thing but it's not the same as a dedicated show. I take your point and agree it would make an interesting if minority slot.

    Speaking of Nationwide they have been doing some very good stuff lately.

    Formula One is something I'd like but that's just dreaming for now.


  • #7014
    lau1247
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,325 ✭✭✭lau1247


    If I'm forced to pay it (which I'm just because of having a 'signal receiving' tv set).

    The least they could do is fix that god awful app.

    - It plays flipping adverts every time I switch channel, they should at least give the courtesy for those who have paid for the license to avoid seeing adverts (like youtube premium).
    - Sometimes it allow you to wind back to the start of program but sometimes that option is not there at all.
    - Sap battery like no others, it is the only app on my phone that cause the phone to heat up during normal usage.
    - Doesn't have Picture in picture option, the stream stop as soon as you switch app and when you come back to it, the adverts rolls again.

    If they can fix those, were already getting half the value there alone.


  • #7015
    ben.schlomo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,923 ✭✭✭✭ben.schlomo


    elperello wrote: »
    A little exaggeration perhaps but no matter, you are definitely not alone but most likely in a minority.

    That's not to deny you your right to speak your opinion but a little context is no harm.

    There is another long running thread about RTE on this very forum where the vast majority of posters have little time for our national broadcaster.

    In the poll attached to that thread only 29.56% want to scrap RTE altogether.

    I think there is broad support for a PBS among most of the population.

    We absolutely need a public broadcasting service but not in the state that RTE is currently in. Lose RTE2 or change it to a sport/kids/movie channel. Lose 2fm as there are multiple stations around the country doing the same thing. Salaries for the high profile presenters have to be capped and the organisation needs to be trimmed and managed in a way that it doesn't solely rely on the TV licence and a yearly hike to get it out of financial strife. Sell off land and move from where they are too.


  • #7016
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,499 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Threads merged


  • #7017
    The J Stands for Jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Marty Bird wrote: »
    RTE should ask their DB pension fund for a bailout all problems would be solved.

    Since their top presenters are so good at bringing in revenue, it'd be a great investment for the scheme.


  • #7018
    The J Stands for Jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    Gen.Zhukov wrote: »

    Your agenda looks to be very pro household device charge or for it to be funded by direct central taxation which would would really suit RTE down to the ground as people would not be asking themselves once a year - "why am I paying these useless ****'s €160 pa?"

    My brother who doesn't own a TV, and is entirely unaware of anything that happens on rte is appalled whenever someone tells him that the government is looking into this.


  • #7019
    The J Stands for Jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    lau1247 wrote: »
    If I'm forced to pay it (which I'm just because of having a 'signal receiving' tv set).

    The least they could do is fix that god awful app.

    - It plays flipping adverts every time I switch channel, they should at least give the courtesy for those who have paid for the license to avoid seeing adverts (like youtube premium).
    - Sometimes it allow you to wind back to the start of program but sometimes that option is not there at all.
    - Sap battery like no others, it is the only app on my phone that cause the phone to heat up during normal usage.
    - Doesn't have Picture in picture option, the stream stop as soon as you switch app and when you come back to it, the adverts rolls again.

    If they can fix those, were already getting half the value there alone.

    The player is so bad that even my wife will talk about how it's pointless to try. I gave it a go last week on a Samsung TV and, to my amazement, it actually worked. Only one add before programmes (not in UHD either) and the show actually started. It took a while (4/5 minutes) for the picture to improve, but it worked.

    Last time I tried was a few months ago, and we just ended up using a VPN to watch normal people on the BBC iPlayer (or was it YouTube?).


  • #7020
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Deleted User wrote: »
    I agree. It's too costly to collect, and there's about 20% of the population who don't pay it. Just implement the broadcasting tax, and deduct it at source. Increase the fee as well, and increase funding for local radio, independent productions, and TG4.

    Yeah, just increase the load on john Q Taxpayer, as per usual, sure we can squeeze a few more shillings out of them, they never complain anyway. :rolleyes:


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  • #7021
    The J Stands for Jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,915 ✭✭✭The J Stands for Jay


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I agree. It's too costly to collect, and there's about 20% of the population who don't pay it. Just implement the broadcasting tax, and deduct it at source. Increase the fee as well, and increase funding for local radio, independent productions, and TG4.

    I'm always uncomfortable with these assertions of people not paying the licence fee. Rte always assume anyone who doesn't pay is evading the fee. They can't seem to accept that some people don't have a TV and don't use any rte services.


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