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Chuck Norris 2021 · 07-04-2021 03:18PM

Jimmy 3 times wrote: »

If they do decide to add additional EU countries to the list on Tuesday, historically how long has it taken these countries to be on the list in practice?

Just asking as I know someone moving home from one of the 3 EU countries mentioned Sunday week. There's only flights once a week so could be a good idea to try get here this Sunday maybe?

They said within days of next Tuesday's meeting. However, like others said, reading the latest it would appear there may be some back peddling. They've only mentioned 3 EU countries, so there's plenty of scope for that person to take a train and fly from elsewhere.

themacattack. · 07-04-2021 03:18PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I think Eamon Ryan is just going on this solo run to stop people booking summer holidays

eamon ryan is a buffoon of a minister for transport...instead of trying to help the aviation industry which has been decimated by restrictions open safely over the summer and keep our connectivity with the world hes simon donnellys cheerleader for adding more european countries onto the MHQ list....we really dont deserve these clowns as our leaders..

hogandrew · 07-04-2021 03:23PM

Would anyone have a link to an official list of essential reasons for travel? I can't find anything on gov.ie and DFA.ie just puts up a link to gov.ie

Alast · 07-04-2021 03:27PM

Jimmy 3 times wrote: »

If they do decide to add additional EU countries to the list on Tuesday, historically how long has it taken these countries to be on the list in practice?

Just asking as I know someone moving home from one of the 3 EU countries mentioned Sunday week. There's only flights once a week so could be a good idea to try get here this Sunday maybe?

I would err on the side caution and fly this Sunday

Gael23 · 07-04-2021 03:32PM

themacattack. wrote: »

eamon ryan is a buffoon of a minister for transport...instead of trying to help the aviation industry which has been decimated by restrictions open safely over the summer and keep our connectivity with the world hes simon donnellys cheerleader for adding more european countries onto the MHQ list....we really dont deserve these clowns as our leaders..

An environmentalist isn’t going to support aviation

Jimmy 3 times · 07-04-2021 03:33PM

Alast wrote: »

I would err on the side caution and fly this Sunday

thanks. Ya, that's what they're now looking into doing.

Darwin · 07-04-2021 03:46PM

Gael23 wrote: »

I think Eamon Ryan is just going on this solo run to stop people booking summer holidays

You can add Deputy Sean Fleming to the list too, he was in full support of expanding the EU list of countries to MHQ. I would recommend anyone interested in getting out of here make your displeasure known to your local TD, MEP and anyone else who should be added to the list.

Gael23 · 07-04-2021 04:17PM

Is the principle of Freeom of Movement in the EU enshrined in law or just a principle that isn’t legally binding?

07-04-2021 04:28PM

hogandrew wrote: »

Would anyone have a link to an official list of essential reasons for travel? I can't find anything on gov.ie and DFA.ie just puts up a link to gov.ie

Look up the legislation, it is in there.

Micky 32 · 07-04-2021 04:34PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Apologies if this has been already answered but is there set criteria for adding Countries to the MHQ List ?

And also for removing them ?

Just the word ‘variant’ is the criteria.

greenheep · 07-04-2021 04:45PM

Is there anything to stop someone getting a train or connecting flight to a non MHQ country and then flying on to Dublin ?

Ray Donovan · 07-04-2021 04:47PM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

Travel abroad
You must only travel abroad if it is essential to do so. The permitted reasons for travelling abroad are set out in Statutory Instrument 29 of 2021 (pdf).

You can receive a fixed payment notice for €2,000 for unnecessary travel abroad or be at risk of court prosecution.

Must literally have been updated yesterday as I checked the site and it was still €500 at the time.

Do you have any source for this? It is still €500 on the citizens information website.

General Toilet · 07-04-2021 04:51PM

greenheep wrote: »

Is there anything to stop someone getting a train or connecting flight to a non MHQ country and then flying on to Dublin ?

Nothing to stop you doing that at all. It is a massive loophole.

M_Murphy57 · 07-04-2021 04:51PM

greenheep wrote: »

Is there anything to stop someone getting a train or connecting flight to a non MHQ country and then flying on to Dublin ?

A train in theory is no different to us going to Belfast. So a French person wants to avoid MHQ so gets a train from France to, say, Luxembourg then on to Ireland with no MHQ? Only way they can stop that is banning all French passport holders irregardless of origin country? (Maybe that'll be their next brain wave?! )

On the connecting flight not sure, would your passport/other electronic data flag you had made a connecting flight and detail your country of origin ?

normanoffside · 07-04-2021 04:52PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

Apologies if this has been already answered but is there set criteria for adding Countries to the MHQ List ?

And also for removing them ?

I think it's determined by Stephen Donnelly throwing darts at a map while blindfolded.

M_Murphy57 · 07-04-2021 04:55PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I think it's determined by Stephen Donnelly throwing darts at a map while blindfolded.

And muttering "trampolines, TRAMPOLINES!"

IQO · 07-04-2021 04:58PM

greenheep wrote: »

Is there anything to stop someone getting a train or connecting flight to a non MHQ country and then flying on to Dublin ?

No, however outside the EU there may be an stamp in your passport showing you were in a MHQ country in the last 14 days. Plus you would need a PCR test from the non-MHQ country, otherwise the document stating the negative result would indicate you were in the MHQ country within the last 72 hours.

zebastein · 07-04-2021 04:59PM

M_Murphy57 wrote: »

A train in theory is no different to us going to Belfast. So a French person wants to avoid MHQ so gets a train from France to, say, Luxembourg then on to Ireland with no MHQ? Only way they can stop that is banning all French passport holders irregardless of origin country? (Maybe that'll be their next brain wave?! )

They are not allowed to do that. In EU, you cannot discriminate when closing your borders. If you close your borders because of an health emergency, then it has to apply to everyone crossing your border, irish and other passport holders.

Germany tried to build a system where german residents could come back to Germany with less restrictions than foreigners, and the European Comission came to them to stop this system as it is illegal.

General Toilet · 07-04-2021 05:03PM

On the connecting flight not sure, would your passport/other electronic data flag you had made a connecting flight and detail your country of origin ?

Nope. They cannot see your travel history.

greenheep · 07-04-2021 05:13PM

IQO wrote: »

No, however outside the EU there may be an stamp in your passport showing you were in a MHQ country in the last 14 days. Plus you would need a PCR test from the non-MHQ country, otherwise the document stating the negative result would indicate you were in the MHQ country within the last 72 hours.

To save €2,000 or more if you are a family i'd travel for a few days to another country with less restrictions, do the pcr test there and then onto Dublin. Even if the middle country has stay at home quarantine I'd rent a nice Air B'nB and make a holiday out of it.

Hellrazer · 07-04-2021 05:13PM

normanoffside wrote: »

I think it's determined by Stephen Donnelly throwing darts at a map while blindfolded.

I didnt think he was allowed to have sharp objects - either way he must have a really **** aim - hitting those tiny islands in the Pacific and Caribbean when he was aiming for the US and EU.

dalyboy · 07-04-2021 05:13PM

zebastein wrote: »

They are not allowed to do that. In EU, you cannot discriminate when closing your borders. If you close your borders because of an health emergency, then it has to apply to everyone crossing your border, irish and other passport holders.

Germany tried to build a system where german residents could come back to Germany with less restrictions than foreigners, and the European Comission came to them to stop this system as it is illegal.

Then how is Donnelly going to implement his EU country additions without incurring the EU commission stopping him ?

Hellrazer · 07-04-2021 05:16PM

dalyboy wrote: »

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Then how is Donnelly going to implement his EU country additions without incurring the EU commission stopping him ?

Because the idiot is on a solo run. He either knows hes on the way out and is trying to leave a legacy or else hes just completely and utterly the most stupid person in government.

I think its the latter.

caveat emptor · 07-04-2021 05:19PM

dalyboy wrote: »

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Then how is Donnelly going to implement his EU country additions without incurring the EU commission stopping him ?

Austria is already on it. Germany closed the border to Austria. Germany also closed border with France.

They are all at it.

dalyboy · 07-04-2021 05:21PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Because the idiot is on a solo run. He either knows hes on the way out and is trying to leave a legacy or else hes just completely and utterly the most stupid person in government.

I think its the latter.

According to virgin media news earlier eamon Ryan and mehole have backed this clown Donnelly with his EU country crackpot idea.

I hope FG grow a pair and start throwing punches before this crowd of loonies totally destroy our economic and tourist (and aviation) industries.

It’s like a bad dream
Where / when the f@%k is this going to end ??

dalyboy · 07-04-2021 05:23PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Austria is already on it. Germany closed the border to Austria. Germany also closed border with France.

They are all at it.

Yeah true
But
Germany will remove Austria in weeks , our crowd will leave EU countries on the mhq for months if not years . Schhhh “variants”

Hellrazer · 07-04-2021 05:24PM

dalyboy wrote: »

According to virgin media news earlier eamon Ryan and mehole have backed this clown Donnelly with his EU country crackpot idea.

I hope FG grow a pair and start throwing punches before this crowd of loonies totally destroy our economic and tourist (and aviation) industries.

It’s like a bad dream
Where / when the f@%k is this going to end ??

I hope FG pull out of the coalition and end this fiasco. Polls are showing the people are loosing confidence in this government. Whatever about any politician doing the "right" thing - they`ll always act when the polls show their popularity declining.

ZX7R · 07-04-2021 05:25PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

Austria is already on it. Germany closed the border to Austria. Germany also closed border with France.

They are all at it.

But the borders are not closed.
you need a negative test to cross the land borders now,causes delay of around 6 hours though.

zebastein · 07-04-2021 05:28PM

dalyboy wrote: »

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Then how is Donnelly going to implement his EU country additions without incurring the EU commission stopping him ?

Because the criteria is going to be "by origin country"on the hypothesis that this country is a threat for Irelans. As long as everybody coming from the same country are treated equally, they are covered by the emergency blanket.

If you and I go to France together for a week and come back, they can't let you in with no restrictions and lock me in an hotel because I have a French passport. Which is fair enough, because the risk is not associated to our nationality.

dalyboy · 07-04-2021 05:30PM

Hellrazer wrote: »

I hope FG pull out of the coalition and end this fiasco. Polls are showing the people are loosing confidence in this government. Whatever about any politician doing the "right" thing - they`ll always act when the polls show their popularity declining.

Especially Twitter fan boy Leo.

At this point I gotta say the likelihood of a government collapse is close.
I placed a small bet with the lads on Easter Sunday after the Dubai 2 had their legal issue with mhq.

All was / is not quite on the western front.

Simon coveney and Donnelly at obvious logger heads over EU additions.
FG Regina Doherty and some FF goon on RTÉ one radio yesterday arguing about mhq.

Biggest problem though is who to vote for in the event of a GE occurring considering the puppet mob in opposition.

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