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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #4172
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    4,000 people died with Covid in Brazil yesterday, all in a 24 hour period. Yesterday 3 Brazilians who flew into Dublin and spent less than a day in a quarantine hotel just walked out of the hotel, got into a car and drove 150 kms heading towards Donegal before they were stopped by Gardai, and asked to return to the hotel. We should be stopping all arrivals from Brazil until the country gets their act together. The very high death toll in Brazil, including the record number of deaths yesterday, are attributed to variants, which does not surprise me as Brazil is just a petri dish for Covid variants due to the lack of control efforts in that country. With such a high degree of Covid transmission in Brazil, people should not be flying out of Brazil and they certainly should not be allowed into Ireland if they do decide to leave the country.


  • #4173
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1379691196319215622


  • #4174
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Its funny how science is coming back to things our grannies used to say in times gone by. Who would have thought being outdoors, ventilated rooms and sunshine were good for us.


  • #4175
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,265 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    prunudo wrote: »
    Its funny how science is coming back to things our grannies used to say in times gone by. Who would have thought being outdoors, ventilated rooms and sunshine were good for us.

    A lot of posters are saying this since last March . !Who would have guessed it took a year for it to be proven !



    ( My gran would often march us all down to the sea in the winter and tell us to stand up straight , open our lungs and breathe in ! I still do it often and remember .)


  • #4176
    plodder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,989 ✭✭✭plodder


    Norma Foley just said that all 50 year olds have the same risk of catching Covid. Eg a civil servant working from home vs a teacher or SNA in a school :rolleyes:

    “Fanaticism is always a sign of repressed doubt” - Carl Jung



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  • #4177
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    iamwhoiam wrote: »
    A lot of posters are saying this since last March . !Who would have guessed it took a year for it to be proven !



    ( My gran would often march us all down to the sea in the winter and tell us to stand up straight , open our lungs and breathe in ! I still do it often and remember .)

    They'll be telling us next we need to eat our greens to build up our immune system!


  • #4178
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,801 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Deleted User wrote: »
    People keep throwing out ‘social distancing’ as one of the possible long term behaviours / rules . It’s an absolute nonsense. Large parts of our economy humanity are completely unviable with social distancing. It’s an absolute non-runner once we’re substantially vaccinated

    FYP


  • #4179
    Jane1012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Jane1012


    Kivaro wrote: »
    4,000 people died with Covid in Brazil yesterday, all in a 24 hour period. Yesterday 3 Brazilians who flew into Dublin and spent less than a day in a quarantine hotel just walked out of the hotel, got into a car and drove 150 kms heading towards Donegal before they were stopped by Gardai, and asked to return to the hotel. We should be stopping all arrivals from Brazil until the country gets their act together. The very high death toll in Brazil, including the record number of deaths yesterday, are attributed to variants, which does not surprise me as Brazil is just a petri dish for Covid variants due to the lack of control efforts in that country. With such a high degree of Covid transmission in Brazil, people should not be flying out of Brazil and they certainly should not be allowed into Ireland if they do decide to leave the country.

    You do realise Brazil’s population is more than 42 times our population. The 4,000 deaths equates to around 95 death here, which are not unheard of figures. Granted 95 is at the higher end but I think the 4,000 needs to be taken in to context before we point the finger at them for being such a disaster...


  • #4180
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,061 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Jane1012 wrote: »
    4,000 needs to be taken in to context before we point the finger at them for being such a disaster...

    You'd also have to question how reliable Brazil's numbers are - I'd bet they don't report a lot of their cases and deaths, because they don't know (or care) about them.


  • #4181
    Jane1012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Jane1012


    Polar101 wrote: »
    You'd also have to question how reliable Brazil's numbers are - I'd bet they don't report a lot of their cases and deaths, because they don't know (or care) about them.

    Yes that’s a fair point too but I just wonder sometimes when people scoff at how awful another country is doing (US, Brazil, UK etc) if they actually look in to that countries population compared to ours. There’s times people on here have been criticising the US numbers and when you break it down, we were actually doing worse


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  • #4182
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    Jane1012 wrote: »
    Yes that’s a fair point too but I just wonder sometimes when people scoff at how awful another country is doing (US, Brazil, UK etc) if they actually look in to that countries population compared to ours. There’s times people on here have been criticising the US numbers and when you break it down, we were actually doing worse

    Yeah but 4000 is great for the auld scaremongering brigade.


  • #4183
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Jane1012 wrote: »
    You do realise Brazil’s population is more than 42 times our population. The 4,000 deaths equates to around 95 death here, which are not unheard of figures. Granted 95 is at the higher end but I think the 4,000 needs to be taken in to context before we point the finger at them for being such a disaster...


    Ireland has the youngest population in the EU that was the case even before Brexit. The vast majority of covid deaths we are told constantly happen in the older population, you just have to look at northern Italy to see that.

    Where are all the old people in Ireland gone? Well back in the 40s,50s and sixties hundreds of thousands of young people left Ireland and went to Britain and elsewhere. So a big chunk of Irelands elderly are in Britain for example.

    Given that or population is so young why are is our death rate per head of populations amongst the worst in the EU and yet we have the fourth biggest health spend within the EU, well it’s because the HSE as an organisation is a useless money pit. The government know that,NEPHT no that and the head of the HSE knows that and that’s why we are in constant lockdown. So the next time you push out the line of we are not Brazil, it’s only by the power of Christ that we are not cause if Ireland had its true population demographics the story would be a lot different.


  • #4184
    Happydays2020
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    plodder wrote: »
    Norma Foley just said that all 50 year olds have the same risk of catching Covid. Eg a civil servant working from home vs a teacher or SNA in a school :rolleyes:

    Is she wrong? The 50 year old working from home may have school children so there is a risk there. That person drops the kids off the school, goes to the supermarket etc etc.


  • #4185
    Banana Republic 1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,316 ✭✭✭Banana Republic 1


    Polar101 wrote: »
    You'd also have to question how reliable Brazil's numbers are - I'd bet they don't report a lot of their cases and deaths, because they don't know (or care) about them.

    How reliable is Irish data.


  • #4186
    Lucas Hood
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,206 ✭✭✭Lucas Hood


    plodder wrote: »
    Norma Foley just said that all 50 year olds have the same risk of catching Covid. Eg a civil servant working from home vs a teacher or SNA in a school :rolleyes:

    Are you sure she didn't say that about dying from covid?


  • #4187
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,105 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    40 discharges from hospital yesterday after 30 admissions over Easter weekend


  • #4188
    Jane1012
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Jane1012


    Banana Republic 1 wrote: »
    Ireland has the youngest population in the EU that was the case even before Brexit. The vast majority of covid deaths we are told constantly happen in the older population, you just have to look at northern Italy to see that.

    Where are all the old people in Ireland gone? Well back in the 40s,50s and sixties hundreds of thousands of young people left Ireland and went to Britain and elsewhere. So a big chunk of Irelands elderly are in Britain for example.

    Given that or population is so young why are is our death rate per head of populations amongst the worst in the EU and yet we have the fourth biggest health spend within the EU, well it’s because the HSE as an organisation is a useless money pit. The government know that,NEPHT no that and the head of the HSE knows that and that’s why we are in constant lockdown. So the next time you push out the line of we are not Brazil, it’s only by the power of Christ that we are not cause if Ireland had its true population demographics the story would be a lot different.

    Not sure if you misquoted me but I was definitely not ‘pushing out the line of we are not Brazil’ I was actually saying we’re not so great ourselves and their numbers only look giant to us as we have such a small population in comparison.


  • #4189
    Banana Republic 1
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    Jane1012 wrote: »
    Not sure if you misquoted me but I was definitely not ‘pushing out the line of we are not Brazil’ I was actually saying we’re not so great ourselves and their numbers only look giant to us as we have such a small population in comparison.

    I did sorry but the majority here think the opposite.


  • #4190
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    plodder wrote: »
    Norma Foley just said that all 50 year olds have the same risk of catching Covid. Eg a civil servant working from home vs a teacher or SNA in a school :rolleyes:
    It may be eye rolling but it's also a sign to teachers that they are on their own.


  • #4191
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 25,909 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    plodder wrote: »
    Norma Foley just said that all 50 year olds have the same risk of catching Covid. Eg a civil servant working from home vs a teacher or SNA in a school :rolleyes:

    Yeah it's 50% either way. You catch it or you don't. 50/50. :pac:


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  • #4192
    TheDoctor
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    Happy (potentially) 1 Millionth Irish vaccine day.


  • #4193
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 10,049 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    Just listened to the news there and they are saying Vitamin d could possibly be a cure against covid.. Interesting news

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0407/1208274-vitamin-d-covid-19/
    A group of politicians has said that Irish people should take daily Vitamin D supplements
    The report says while Vitamin D is in no way a cure for Covid-19, there is increasing international evidence from Finland, France and Spain that high levels of the vitamin in people can help reduce the impact of Covid-19 infections and other illnesses.


  • #4194
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    No problem whatsoever with vit D supplements being recommended to the population. Bit of a problem with the claim that vitamin D supplements have a potential benefit against covid.

    Evidence for this is very weak. Not sure where the Oireachtas committee have got theirs.
    They seem to be referencing some very spurious studies. Be interesting to see if HIQA push back against it.


  • #4195
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Turtwig wrote: »
    No problem whatsoever with vit D supplements being recommended to the population. Bit of a problem with the claim that vitamin D supplements have a potential benefit against covid.

    Evidence for this is very weak. Not sure where the Oireachtas committee have got theirs.
    They seem to be referencing some very spurious studies. Be interesting to see if HIQA push back against it.
    Absolutely anyone can make a submission to a committee, but only a few get invited to appear before them. It's really a report of all those submissions.


  • #4196
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,469 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Turtwig wrote: »
    No problem whatsoever with vit D supplements being recommended to the population. Bit of a problem with the claim that vitamin D supplements have a potential benefit against covid.

    Evidence for this is very weak. Not sure where the Oireachtas committee have got theirs.
    They seem to be referencing some very spurious studies. Be interesting to see if HIQA push back against it.

    Absolutely this.

    If someone wants to take vitamin D then by all means fire away but the evidence is weak at best.

    They'd be better off leaving the recommendations to HIQA


  • #4197
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    We will not stop a Frenchman from coming to Ireland - but we will stop a Corkman from going to Kerry.
    Hashtag-freedom-of-movement-does-not-always-apply


  • #4198
    daydorunrun
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 784 ✭✭✭daydorunrun


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0407/1208274-vitamin-d-covid-19/

    This is great news.......even if it is last years news.
    Between this, vaccines, natural immunity and other prevention measures such as social distancing and hand washing not to forget the fact that there are minuscule infection rates in outdoor settings, it feels like we’re at the end of the tunnel.

    Time to open society and allow people to make their own safety assessments according to what is actually safe rather than what is ‘Allowed’. At the same time we must respect and allow those who are still vulnerable and/or fearful to take extra precautions such as staying at home for as long as they are comfortable with.

    “You tried your best and you failed miserably. The lesson is, never try.” Homer.



  • #4199
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    "Brazil now... is a threat to the entire effort of the international community to control the pandemic," Dr Miguel Nicolelis, who has been closely tracking cases in the country, told the BBC.

    "If Brazil is not under control, then the planet is not going to be safe, because we are brewing new variants every week... and they are going to cross borders," he said."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56657818

    I think Brazil is the biggest threat to vaccine efficacy because of their completely feckless attitude .


  • #4200
    ek motor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 548 ✭✭✭ek motor


    Kivaro wrote: »
    4,000 people died with Covid in Brazil yesterday, all in a 24 hour period. Yesterday 3 Brazilians who flew into Dublin and spent less than a day in a quarantine hotel just walked out of the hotel, got into a car and drove 150 kms heading towards Donegal before they were stopped by Gardai, and asked to return to the hotel. We should be stopping all arrivals from Brazil until the country gets their act together. The very high death toll in Brazil, including the record number of deaths yesterday, are attributed to variants, which does not surprise me as Brazil is just a petri dish for Covid variants due to the lack of control efforts in that country. With such a high degree of Covid transmission in Brazil, people should not be flying out of Brazil and they certainly should not be allowed into Ireland if they do decide to leave the country.

    100% correct. They are a threat to public health and should be banned from international travel.


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  • #4201
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    ek motor wrote: »
    "Brazil now... is a threat to the entire effort of the international community to control the pandemic," Dr Miguel Nicolelis, who has been closely tracking cases in the country, told the BBC.

    "If Brazil is not under control, then the planet is not going to be safe, because we are brewing new variants every week... and they are going to cross borders," he said."

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-56657818

    I think Brazil is the biggest threat to vaccine efficacy because of their completely feckless attitude .


    Blame the lunatic they have in charge.


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