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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #3932
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    So, if only 0.1% of cases of Covid-19 are linked to outdoor transmission, is there a reason why construction, pubs/restaurants etc. serving outside etc. etc. etc. can't be relaxed now? Though presumably they had an idea of these stats a long time ago?

    Because they think we are children who can't be trusted to behave.

    It'll be interesting how NPHET will be spin the answers to this at the next press conference they do.


  • #3933
    iamwhoiam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,424 ✭✭✭✭iamwhoiam


    prunudo wrote: »
    At a minimum they should be allowing outdoor dining at cafes during daylight hours. We all know its really alcohol consumption they have the issue with but they just use a blanket approach like many other things throughout the last year.

    And allow to meet others in your garden .The parks are all jam packed now and its a lot safer in your own garden


  • #3934
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Klonker wrote: »
    Because they think we are children who can't be trusted to behave.

    It'll be interesting how NPHET will be spin the answers to this at the next press conference they do.

    Quite simple really.

    The B117 variant is much more transmissible and we are in a precarious situation. We cannot give the virus any room to breath, people let down their guard when alcohol or socialization is involved.

    The usual go tos. There is no nuance from NPHET.


  • #3935
    Widdensushi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,159 ✭✭✭Widdensushi


    h2005 wrote: »
    Is there an official resource for hospital numbers?

    It's on the covid tracker app, not sure how often it is updated,maybe morning and evening.


  • #3936
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    We have to remember a large proportion of NPHET members would outright ban alcohol at a whim and probably chocolate bars too.

    Many of them are extreme conservatives who will not move until there isn't a case recorded in this country.


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  • #3937
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    This old chestnut again.

    "A senior official from the European Medicines Agency (EMA) has told an Italian daily it is “clear” that there is a link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and a rare form of blood clot but that the cause is still not known"

    Link


  • #3938
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    ninebeanrows wrote: »
    We have to remember a large proportion of NPHET members would outright ban alcohol at a whim and probably chocolate bars too.

    Many of them are extreme conservatives who will not move until there isn't a case recorded in this country.

    Yet at Christmas they allowed a ridiculous situation where 48 cans cost €35, fuelling consumption at house parties and all the rest.


  • #3939
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    The number of outdoor cases linked is far too low imo and points more to our failure in detecting them than a reflection of their actual rate of occurrence.

    Outdoors is lowest risk. Both government and businesses had a year to try it out and then we'd better know the risk. As it stands we're kind of blind. Given our current disease profile it's a bit of gamble until more people are vaccinated. One for which our safety net is marginal. You have to factor in too by allowing more people to meet up for dining etc you risk opportunities for spread by accident. Even if these are marginal. We're on a very fine margin as it is.

    I think the presentation by Leo was reasonable. Accelerating that even further is tough one imo.


  • #3940
    wadacrack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Turtwig wrote: »
    The number of outdoor cases linked is far too low imo and points more to our failure in detecting them than a reflection of their actual rate of occurrence.

    Outdoors is lowest risk. Both government and businesses had a year to try it out and then we'd better know the risk. As it stands we're kind of blind. Given our current disease profile it's a bit of gamble until more people are vaccinated. One for which our safety net is marginal. You have to factor in too by allowing more people to meet up for dining etc you risk opportunities for spread by accident. Even if these are marginal. We're on a very fine margin as it is.

    I think the presentation by Leo was reasonable. Accelerating that even further is tough one imo.

    The evidence worldwide is that 80% of transmission occurs at Superspreading events which are all indoor. We are not of blind at all.

    It's obvious that schools are a huge problem that's the reason we have no room to breath.


  • #3941
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    Turtwig wrote: »
    The number of outdoor cases linked is far too low imo and points more to our failure in detecting them than a reflection of their actual rate of occurrence.

    Outdoors is lowest risk. Both government and businesses had a year to try it out and then we'd better know the risk. As it stands we're kind of blind. Given our current disease profile it's a bit of gamble until more people are vaccinated. One for which our safety net is marginal. You have to factor in too by allowing more people to meet up for dining etc you risk opportunities for spread by accident. Even if these are marginal. We're on a very fine margin as it is.

    I think the presentation by Leo was reasonable. Accelerating that even further is tough one imo.

    1 in 6 adults is vaccinated (edit: first dose), would another 1 in 6 have some sort of herd immunity?

    So possibly 1/3 of adults won't be spreading it. That in itself makes out safety net far from marginal.

    Opening hospitality for say 15 people outdoors will not cause a massive spike.

    Case numbers are going nowhere as it is, and with vaccinations ramping up nicely every day the risk is lowered.


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  • #3942
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,775 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    This old chestnut again.

    "A senior official from the European Medicines Agency (EMA) has told an Italian daily it is “clear” that there is a link between the AstraZeneca vaccine and a rare form of blood clot but that the cause is still not known"

    Link

    The AZ-Oxford vaccine has the same risk of blood clots as Pfizer; but one is widely advertised as dangerous and the other not.

    The AZ-Oxford vaccine is produced and sold at cost, whereas Pfizer is charging a very hefty fee in comparison.

    There are both economic and political benefits to smash asunder the AZ-Oxford vaccine.


  • #3943
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    Turtwig wrote: »
    The number of outdoor cases linked is far too low imo and points more to our failure in detecting them than a reflection of their actual rate of occurrence.

    Outdoors is lowest risk. Both government and businesses had a year to try it out and then we'd better know the risk. As it stands we're kind of blind. Given our current disease profile it's a bit of gamble until more people are vaccinated. One for which our safety net is marginal. You have to factor in too by allowing more people to meet up for dining etc you risk opportunities for spread by accident. Even if these are marginal. We're on a very fine margin as it is.

    I think the presentation by Leo was reasonable. Accelerating that even further is tough one imo.

    I'm sure teenagers are always going to go shifting each other - but that's already happening now in Level 5 - and they're going to do it indoors and out regardless. But there is no longer valid reason to keep outdoors restricted for everyone at this point. It's done. Over. We need to begin moving forward.

    The number of outdoor cases is not low because of a lack of research - it's low because it's extremely safe to be outdoors.

    Wear a mask and maintain distancing - by all means - but don't prevent what we know to be safe for no valid reason. Enough damage has already been done.


  • #3944
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,041 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The AZ-Oxford vaccine has the same risk of blood clots as Pfizer; but one is widely advertised as dangerous and the other not.

    The AZ-Oxford vaccine is produced and sold at cost, whereas Pfizer is charging a very hefty fee in comparison.

    There are both economic and political benefits to smash asunder the AZ-Oxford vaccine.

    Any details on the link between Pfizer and clots?


  • #3945
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The AZ-Oxford vaccine has the same risk of blood clots as Pfizer; but one is widely advertised as dangerous and the other not.

    The AZ-Oxford vaccine is produced and sold at cost, whereas Pfizer is charging a very hefty fee in comparison.

    There are both economic and political benefits to smash asunder the AZ-Oxford vaccine.

    It's the one I'm hoping for. I want the AZ-Oxford vaccine when it's my turn.

    It's also the one the third world will be getting - and if it's the one they're all getting then I want them to know that we're not just sending them rubbish.


  • #3946
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Any details on the link between Pfizer and clots?

    Link


  • #3947
    Turtwig
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The AZ-Oxford vaccine has the same risk of blood clots as Pfizer; but one is widely advertised as dangerous and the other not.

    This is a very false and misleading statement.

    The issue with AZ is a potentially very rare specific disorder that can be fatal. To date there are no known cases of this type associated with Pfizer. Certainly not enough to raise a safety signal. The risk at present does not appear to exist for any other vaccine than AZ. We don't even know if there's a casual connection with either.

    Neither vaccine is advertised as widely dangerous. AZ just may be issued with more specific guidance in relation to certain cohorts.
    We'll have to wait for further guidance from the EMA and MHRA.


  • #3948
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,664 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    Good to see cases in NI being very low

    https://twitter.com/healthdpt/status/1379420677053222913


  • #3949
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    Turtwig wrote: »
    This is a very false and misleading statement.

    The issue with AZ is a potentially very rare specific disorder that can be fatal. To date there are no known cases of this type associated with Pfizer. Certainly not enough to raise a safety signal. The risk at present does not appear to exist for any other vaccine than AZ. We don't even know if there's a casual connection with either.

    Neither vaccine is advertised as widely dangerous. AZ just may be issued with more specific guidance in relation to certain cohorts.
    We'll have to wait for further guidance from the EMA and MHRA.

    Ye that op was a bit too black-and-white about it all but there is definitely a bit of politics mixed into all this.


  • #3950
    Stheno
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 51,685 Mod ✭✭✭✭Stheno


    Outdoors is safer, but it's still not safe?
    The HSE's Chief Clinical Officer has said data showing that only 0.1% of Covid-19 cases come from outdoor transmission is "misleading" in terms of the numbers as it only relates to recorded outbreaks.

    Dr Colm Henry said other scenarios in which people might have acquired the virus are not taken into account in the figures from the Health Protection Surveillance Centre.

    He said it does not include all the activities that are associated with outdoor activities including changing rooms or travelling to and from activities.

    The data, reported in the Irish Times yesterday, shows that just one confirmed case of Covid-19 in every thousand is traced to outdoor transmission.

    Speaking to RTÉ's News at One Dr Henry said: "The message that does come across from this data is that in the purest sense, when people adhere to social distancing and other Covid measures, outdoor transmission is 19/20 times less likely that indoor transmission."

    When asked if this latest data could see the speeding up of restrictions outdoors he said it's "ultimately up the Government".

    He said outdoor activities are safer but public health advice is that situations associated with those activities, where people congregate together, can transmit the disease.

    Dr Henry added: "We can't drop our guard at anytime".

    And from the same article, it appears we are not utilising everyone possible for vaccines
    Speaking on the same programme, the Covid-19 advisor to the Irish College of GPs, Dr Mary Favier, called for "greater agility" and "flexibility" in the recruitment of vaccinators in Ireland's Covid-19 vaccination programme.

    Dr Favier said she is aware of "many" retired GPs who "have met all types of obstacles" in the bid to become a vaccinator of the Covid-19 jab.

    She said "all rigid structures" need to be "put aside" as the country takes part what she said should be a "national effort".

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0406/1208074-coronavirus-ireland/


  • #3951
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    Stheno wrote: »
    Outdoors is safer, but it's still not safe?

    And from the same article, it appears we are not utilising everyone possible for vaccines

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0406/1208074-coronavirus-ireland/

    He says that outdoor activities are safer but says associated activities like changing rooms are not? I hate this type of obfuscation. Piling into changing rooms would be an indoor activity in my mind - and also a stupid thing to partake in. And anyway, I don't pile into changing rooms when I'm meeting friends for a nice, safe picnic. I'm sure even GAA heads could probably wait to get home to shower if they were asked politely.

    This is not an excuse in my book. If the outdoors is safe then allow it - albeit under instruction of banning associated activities like changing rooms if it makes them feel better.


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  • #3952
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Stheno wrote: »
    Outdoors is safer, but it's still not safe?
    I thought he was being very clear in the article tbh.

    A very small amount of cases are a result of two people sitting in a field together having coffees. It's everything around it that can lead to an increase; lads sharing a car to go play or watch a match; people sharing dressing rooms & toilets; etc.

    One can suggest that outdoor dining seems like an obvious one to open up, but you still have the issue of sharnig of toilets and staff sharing indoor facilities.

    That said, most restaurants have continued to offer takeaway through level 5, so outdoor dining won't create many extra staff in the kitchen.

    What this data should do in addition to the government measures, is inform the Garda response. Less worrying about busy parks, takeaway pints and gangs of teenagers, more worrying about non-essential business bringing in workers to the office.


  • #3953
    giveitholly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,227 ✭✭✭giveitholly


    CoronaBlocker wrote: »
    He says that outdoor activities are safer but says associated activities like changing rooms are not? I hate this type of obfuscation. Piling into changing rooms would be an indoor activity in my mind - and also a stupid thing to partake in. And anyway, I don't pile into changing rooms when I'm meeting friends for a nice, safe picnic. I'm sure even GAA heads could probably wait to get home to shower if they were asked politely.

    This is not an excuse in my book. If the outdoors is safe then allow it - albeit under instruction of banning associated activities like changing rooms if it makes them feel better.

    Can't speak for any other team sports but Gaa teams togged out in their cars for training and matches last year,no dressing rooms were open


  • #3954
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Can't speak for any other team sports but Gaa teams togged out in their cars for training and matches last year,no dressing rooms were open

    Slightly off-topic but apparently even Premier League footballers no longer use changing facilities in the same way - they all shower at home after training and matches and all have single rooms now in hotels for away matches (if hotels are required).

    Back on topic though... so it can be done again if it has been done before. Hashtag-boxed


  • #3955
    spakman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭spakman


    giveitholly wrote: »
    Can't speak for any other team sports but Gaa teams togged out in their cars for training and matches last year,no dressing rooms were open

    Correct for club championships and maybe intercounty league, but by time All-Ireland championships came around, they were allowed use dressing rooms again.


  • #3956
    CoronaBlocker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 247 ✭✭CoronaBlocker


    spakman wrote: »
    Correct for club championships and maybe intercounty league, but by time All-Ireland championships came around, they were allowed use dressing rooms again.

    I don't think it's fair that they use this as a reason for not opening up all outdoor activities though to be honest. If an organisation disobeys a command then fine them - but this is not enough reason to keep the entire country at a lockdown level tighter than a tick's ass.


  • #3957
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    More evidence of the Indos surge in today’s figures


  • #3958
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,664 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1379439760570191874


  • #3959
    ninebeanrows
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,780 ✭✭✭✭ninebeanrows


    Positive Swabs

    396
    Positivity Rate

    2.86%
    Swabs processed

    13,864


  • #3960
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,709 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Sunday - 377 positive swabs, 2.7% positivity on 13,946 tests.

    Monday- 354 positive swabs, 2.96% positivity on 11,954 tests.

    Tuesday- 396 positive swabs, 2.86% positivity on 13,864 tests.
    7 day test positivity is 3.1%.


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  • #3961
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,173 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Decent number of tests done over the weekend, despite the weekend in it.

    Sunday: 377/13946; 2.7%
    Monday: 354/11954; 2.96%
    Today: 396/13864; 2.86%

    Today's result is very slightly up on last Tuesday, but should probably actually be compared to last Monday due to the Bank Holiday.

    It'll all be a bit fuzzy this week, but nevertheless most people who got tested over the weekend would have been a close contact or referral rather than a random walk-in or mass test. So those positivity rates are really good.


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