Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

gozunda · 05-04-2021 11:42PM

growleaves wrote: »

Where's your control group to show that that is actually the case?

I've seen a fair few daft comments and that fits tbf.

You do know what a control group is and what they are used for yes?

In this case the data detailed was taken from actual cases in Ireland to date. The period over which the data was measured included periods when there was no construction work and / or sporting activities were restricted. Therefore the number of people engaging in those activities was reduced and the incidence rate of any occurances was also therefore reduced.

SusieBlue · 05-04-2021 11:54PM

Graham wrote: »

I don't know anyone who hasn't had to make major changes/sacrifices over the last year.

I don't see what that has to do with when it's safe to start easing restrictions.

Me either, though some changes have been extremely positive and beneficial for some people.
I know many people saving a fortune on commuting who are praying the lockdown is never lifted because they have a much better work life balance and are saving money, even though it means thousands of others are out of work and struggling to make ends meet.

You might want to scroll back a few pages where someone was referring to selfish people breaking the rules and killing people/causing deaths because they couldn’t relax and sit at home for ‘a few more months’ watching Netflix.
That’s what I was referring to in my post.
It was a gross over simplification of the many motives and valid reasons why support for ending the lockdown is growing day by day.
And it all boils down to the fact that putting yourself and your family first after a whole year of making huge sacrifices for the benefit of others is not remotely selfish, no matter how many times lockdown supporters try to insist otherwise.

corkonion · 05-04-2021 11:57PM

i dont understand why Nphet are saying that cases are increasing when they are clearly not, cases are falling slightly, yet Nphet are insisting that they are on the rise, that the r number is above 1, this weeks cases included the walk in results for asymptomatic people that had access to walk in centers that bumped up the new cases, but still new cases were lower than last week. i would hate to think these walk in testing sites were set up to put fear into people that are alreadt afraid. As another poster said, Nepht have us in level permenant 5 lockdown to avoid going into level 5 lockdown.

Graham · 05-04-2021 11:59PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

You might want to scroll back a few pages where someone was referring to selfish people meeting in parks killing others and causing deaths because they couldn’t relax and sit at home for ‘a few more months’ watching Netflix.
That’s what I was referring to in my post.
It was a gross over simplification of the many motives and valid reasons why support for ending the lockdown is growing day by day.
And it all boils down to the fact that putting yourself and your family first after a whole year of making huge sacrifices for the benefit and protection of others is not remotely selfish, no matter how many times lockdown supporters try to insist otherwise.

Unfortunately I don't think coronavirus understands that we're bored of Netflix and deserve a break.

It's apparent that we're going to relax restrictions over the coming weeks anyway. Hopefully if there are no significant delays in the projected vaccine supply we won't see a large spike like we did in January.

Antares35 · 06-04-2021 12:02AM

eggy81 wrote: »

They are complied with a lot more than they are in supermarkets

Supermarkets do my fúckin head in at this stage...I avoid them at all costs for the most part. Queuing up outside because there's a traffic light system in place then inside every Tom Dick and Harry on top of each other, pushing past, leaning across you. Since the schools are back SuperValu is best avoided after lunch since "pick your kids up from school and take them all shopping" has become a national pastime.

SusieBlue · 06-04-2021 12:07AM

Graham wrote: »

Unfortunately I don't think coronavirus understands that we're bored of Netflix and deserve a break.

It's apparent that we're going to relax restrictions over the coming weeks anyway. Hopefully if there are no significant delays in the projected vaccine supply we won't see a large spike like we did in January.

You’re replying to points I never even made. Where did I say coronavirus cares or that people are bored? Downplaying this as merely being about boredom is another gross oversimplification of the current situation.

It’s not selfish to put yourself first this far into the pandemic, and it’s a sanctimonious cheap shot to try to imply people are murderers or killers for breaking the rules.
It’s more selfish to force more suffering and sacrifice on people who are not only unwilling, but who have already given up so much for the benefit of others.

The January spike happened for a myriad of reasons, all of which could easily have been predicted by anyone with an interest in human nature and psychology back in October. Not one bit of it was remotely surprising.

This time we’ll be staying in lockdown to avoid lockdown, and it looks like we’re going to have at least 9 months of level 5 albeit with a 23 day break for our ‘meaningful Christmas’.
But woe betide any of the murderers who met outdoors to enjoy the nice weather over the weekend, nothing but selfish granny killers who can’t just do ‘a few more months’, amirite?

06-04-2021 12:18AM

Antares35 wrote: »

Supermarkets do my fúckin head in at this stage...I avoid them at all costs for the most part. Queuing up outside because there's a traffic light system in place then inside every Tom Dick and Harry on top of each other, pushing past, leaning across you. Since the schools are back SuperValu is best avoided after lunch since "pick your kids up from school and take them all shopping" has become a national pastime.

People need to eat, if every Tom, Dick and Harry is bothersome for you there is always the option of having your shopping delivered. All the big shops offer that service now.

Graham · 06-04-2021 12:20AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

The January spike happened for a myriad of reasons

It's quite simple actually

More people moving around = more spread of the virus.

SusieBlue wrote: »

This time we’ll be staying in lockdown to avoid lockdown,

While I'm sure that would make for a lovely fridge magnet it's just comes across as silly to anyone who understands the meaning of exponential.

SusieBlue wrote: »

But woe betide any of the murderers who met outdoors to enjoy the nice weather over the weekend, nothing but selfish granny killers who can’t just do ‘a few more months’, amirite?

Bit hyperbolic?

Antares35 · 06-04-2021 12:21AM

gansi wrote: »

People need to eat, if every Tom, Dick and Harry is bothersome for you there is always the option of having your shopping delivered. All the big shops offer that service now.

They don't need to bring their entire family to the supermarket. It isn't the eating I have a problem with. Read my post again.

SusieBlue · 06-04-2021 12:28AM

Graham wrote: »

It's quite simple actually

More people moving around = more spread of the virus.

While I'm sure that would make for a lovely fridge magnet it's just comes across as silly to anyone who understands the meaning of exponential.

Bit hyperbolic?

If we’re going down the road of chopping up posts to engage in a multi-quote battle then consider me out, past experience tells me it will just get petty and derail the tread from here.
Plus I have no interest in engaging with someone who picks 3 lines to point score (fridge magnet?) when I have gone to the effort of composing a proper reply to you.
Have a good evening.

Graham · 06-04-2021 12:33AM

SusieBlue wrote: »

If we’re going down the road of chopping up posts to engage in a multi-quote battle then consider me out, past experience tells me it will just get petty and derail the tread from here.
Plus I have no interest in engaging with someone who picks 3 lines to point score (fridge magnet?) when I have gone to the effort of composing a proper reply to you.
Have a good evening.

I deliberately ignored the "people are murderers or killers " nonsense because that was something you must have imagined I'd posted in response to one of your earlier posts.

Enjoy your evening.

gozunda · 06-04-2021 12:35AM

corkonion wrote: »

i dont understand why Nphet are saying that cases are increasing when they are clearly not, cases are falling slightly, yet Nphet are insisting that they are on the rise, that the r number is above 1, this weeks cases included the walk in results for asymptomatic people that had access to walk in centers that bumped up the new cases, but still new cases were lower than last week. i would hate to think these walk in testing sites were set up to put fear into people that are alreadt afraid. As another poster said, Nepht have us in level permenant 5 lockdown to avoid going into level 5 lockdown.

More tests aren't necessarily linked with more cases.

https://www.politico.eu/article/does-more-coronavirus-testing-mean-more-cases/

The other thing is that information from Friday show that Ireland’s overall incidence rate now stands at 164 per 100,000, up from 158 last week, with number of hotspot locations around the country with high numbers of new cases.

And afaik last week the R number was averaging between 1 and 1.3 meaning that the rate of infection likley was increasing.

Dont agree what the other poster about level 5 said is true though. But yes there is a case for keeping the number of cases low as vaccinations are rolled out. That is being currently achieved in two main ways. 1. - maintaing social distancing and 2. Keeping contacts between people in general at a low rate.

corkonion · 06-04-2021 12:43AM

Truthfully, this whole saga is getting boring now, i absolutely respect peoples right to health and protection from a virus, but it really is getting ridiculous, our numbers are tiny compared to most of our European counterparts , yet we live in permanent lockdown, I'm an older guy, but please let me live, let me choose to take the risk, this life is currently not worth living.

corkonion · 06-04-2021 12:46AM

gozunda wrote: »

More tests aren't necessarily linked with more cases.

https://www.politico.eu/article/does-more-coronavirus-testing-mean-more-cases/

The other thing is that information from Friday show that Ireland’s overall incidence rate now stands at 164 per 100,000, up from 158 last week, with number of hotspot locations around the country with high numbers of new cases.

And afaik last week the R number was averaging between 1 and 1.3 meaning that the rate of infection likley was increasing.

Dont agree what the other poster about level 5 said is true though. But yes there is a case for keeping the number of cases low as vaccinations are rolled out. That is being currently achieved in two main ways. 1. - maintaing social distancing and 2. Keeping contacts between people in general at a low rate.

more tests are LINKED to more positive cases , 3 per cent of those tested were positive

corkonion · 06-04-2021 12:56AM

why open walk in centers 13 months into a pandemic when new cases are falling, its only to boost positivity rates, theres no other credible explination, i was never a conspiracy theorist, this government are making it difficult to avoiding change

Graham · 06-04-2021 12:59AM

corkonion wrote: »

why open walk in centers 13 months into a pandemic when new cases are falling

To try and prevent asymptomatic carriers from toddling around infecting others?

ypres5 · 06-04-2021 01:02AM

Antares35 wrote: »

Supermarkets do my fúckin head in at this stage...I avoid them at all costs for the most part. Queuing up outside because there's a traffic light system in place then inside every Tom Dick and Harry on top of each other, pushing past, leaning across you. Since the schools are back SuperValu is best avoided after lunch since "pick your kids up from school and take them all shopping" has become a national pastime.

What else are people supposed to do with their kids, they might be too young to be left unsupervised. You're making sweeping assumptions about people's situations

06-04-2021 01:06AM

Antares35 wrote: »

They don't need to bring their entire family to the supermarket. It isn't the eating I have a problem with. Read my post again.

Entire family?? Glad to hear you don’t have a problem with the eating.

corkonion · 06-04-2021 01:06AM

Graham wrote: »

To try and prevent asymptomatic carriers from toddling around infecting others?

better off doing that a year ago, we are being gamed, frighten people into compliance, too late mm

Graham · 06-04-2021 01:10AM

corkonion wrote: »

frighten people into compliance, too late mm

You're frightened that people are diagnosed at walk in centres?

PTH2009 · 06-04-2021 01:30AM

corkonion wrote: »

better off doing that a year ago, we are being gamed, frighten people into compliance, too late mm

Sure we will have a lot of that with newer variants appearing and the enviable rise of numbers due to the Easter holidays

Attention seeking experts appearing in the media with there doom and gloom scenarios

Let's hope the vaccine roll out keeps improving and hits no bumps

Graham · 06-04-2021 01:34AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Let's hope the vaccine roll out keeps improving and hits no bumps

+1

I read 30,000+ vaccinated on Good Friday, a new daily record.

Anyone know if that's an official figure?

FintanMcluskey · 06-04-2021 06:14AM

Graham wrote: »

You can.

I'm not going to start worrying about your imaginary next pandemic just yet.

An influenza denier indeed

The Covid denier’s equivalent

walus · 06-04-2021 06:40AM

Graham wrote: »

To try and prevent asymptomatic carriers from toddling around infecting others?

Can you show any evidence that asymptomatic carriers infect others? As far as I know there is no scientific proof to support such claim.

Captain_Crash · 06-04-2021 07:01AM

walus wrote: »

Can you show any evidence that asymptomatic carriers infect others? As far as I know there is no scientific proof to support such claim.

Didn’t the wuhan study conclude that asymptomatic carriers don’t transmit the virus?

SnuggyBear · 06-04-2021 07:23AM

Caronavirus doesn't care that you have seen everything on Netflix. It also loves cans.

walus · 06-04-2021 07:27AM

Captain_Crash wrote: »

Didn’t the wuhan study conclude that asymptomatic carriers don’t transmit the virus?

Yes it did.

facehugger99 · 06-04-2021 07:34AM

SnuggyBear wrote: »

Caronavirus doesn't care that you have seen everything on Netflix. It also loves cans.

Cornavirus doesn't care that you haven't made an appointment to buy your kids' shoes.

Stormyteacup · 06-04-2021 07:45AM

gozunda wrote: »

More tests aren't necessarily linked with more cases.

https://www.politico.eu/article/does-more-coronavirus-testing-mean-more-cases/

The other thing is that information from Friday show that Ireland’s overall incidence rate now stands at 164 per 100,000, up from 158 last week, with number of hotspot locations around the country with high numbers of new cases.

And afaik last week the R number was averaging between 1 and 1.3 meaning that the rate of infection likley was increasing.

Dont agree what the other poster about level 5 said is true though. But yes there is a case for keeping the number of cases low as vaccinations are rolled out. That is being currently achieved in two main ways. 1. - maintaing social distancing and 2. Keeping contacts between people in general at a low rate.

Agree that more tests aren’t necessarily linked with more cases, however if you increase testing in known hotspots only, then you will increase positive case numbers.

How would that data look if pop-up test centres were introduced to areas with the lowest number of cases testing positive though? The Rt would be lower for the country overall.

The areas of high incidences are a concern for spread, but if they are tracked and traced correctly and those positives isolate, then ongoing mass testing available to all while vaccination is being rolled out is a good idea as we stay on top of outbreaks, and there would be no need for level 5 during vaccine rollout.

However it’s half-as*ed, and introduced too late and too narrowly to be a method of a quicker exit from restrictions.
And of course the result is more positive cases making headlines while hospital numbers are steadily dropping.

_Kaiser_ · 06-04-2021 07:50AM

Antares35 wrote: »

They don't need to bring their entire family to the supermarket. It isn't the eating I have a problem with. Read my post again.

I read your post.

If you're uncomfortable with the situation or at actual risk, shop online and have it delivered, or ask a friend or relative to do the shopping for you. Both totally reasonable solutions.

You cannot expect an overwhelming majority of people that are at little to no risk from this virus to share your fears and concerns.

As I've said before, "we're all in this together", is NOT the same as "everyone is in this with me"

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