Blindboy Podcast

Ugh. Emma Dabiri again today. I exercised my right to switch off. Absolute snorefest.

Shame, a good few decent podcasts recently. His twitch about the Man from Longford Town had me in stitches.

brainboru1104 wrote: »

Not a fan of the wokecasts, myself. The main reason why I'm not a patron.

How can you criticise something when you didn't listen to it.

brainboru1104 wrote: »

I've heard enough of them to know when to avoid them. Plus the description tells you what the topic is "what white people can do next" is the title of the discussion.

I don't appreciate being categorised like that. I'm an individual, not a race.

She says in the first 5 minutes that the title was deliberately provocative and that she would spend the first chapter deconstructing that idea but of course you didn't listen so you wouldn't know!

cloudatlas wrote: »

She says in the first 5 minutes that the title was deliberately provocative and that she would spend the first chapter deconstructing that idea but of course you didn't listen so you wouldn't know!

If you have listened to the full show can you tell me to whom the author is referring when the term "white people" is used? As in, white people in the US or white people in Ireland?

I've had a look at information about this new book but haven't been able to find an answer. I was going to listen to the show but the idea that a history academic would be provocative in this way on a topic as charged as race, is not something I'm sure I want to support.

cloudatlas wrote: »

She has a reservation in what the current movement is doing trying to teach white people and that's why she is trying to address the frameworks. She seems to be saying that the biological terms/labels of ‘white’ and ‘black’ should be erased, due to them only reinforcing racism and the exploitation of one group of people. 'Black' and 'White' is an English innovation and a colonial innovation. She talks about how race is invented to create racism.

They discuss colonialism, pro slavery Irish lobby in the states after the famine. Capitalism.

She says that the whole allyship framework is deeply patronising and that she would prefer that there is a coalition to work towards common goals as allyship reinforces a power dynamic of the 'benevolent white' benefactor and black victim.

I found it quite interesting and it didn't trigger me at all. I listen to podcasts where people are interviewed who I don't agree with the Jordan Peterson
podcast etc., and a lot of the time I find at least one thing I agree with but it's always interesting.

Thanks for responding. So is she referring to white people in the US or white people in Ireland, or somewhere else?

cloudatlas wrote: »

Listen to the podcast, it's clear she is trying to deconstruct racial categories. I'm going out to enjoy the sun while it lasts :cool:

Fair play, did the same thing myself. Great weather.

Whether or not the author is trying to deconstruct racial categories isn't relevant to the question I asked though. If you don't know the answer then that's fine, but you did choose to respond to me.

cloudatlas wrote: »

She has a reservation in what the current movement is doing trying to teach white people and that's why she is trying to address the frameworks.

You yourself used the term here. Which specific group of people were you referring to in this case?

cloudatlas wrote: »

Ye'd be better off listening to the podcast I don't have a phd in African studies nor have I experienced racism growing up in Ireland so I can't really wax lyrical on it but the podcast is harmless in my view at least, I didn't find it triggering more thought provoking than anything.

I don't see how someone would need a PhD in African studies nor experience of racism to determine which group of people she is referring to. Thanks anyway.

dog_pig wrote: »

I don't see how someone would need a PhD in African studies nor experience of racism to determine which group of people she is referring to. Thanks anyway.

I couldn't of put it any clearer, they discuss the pro slavery Irish lobby in the states who are obviously white and the benevolent 'white' benefactor and people who get it wrong in terms of being white allys but don't take a collaborative approach.

Now you are just asking questions in bad faith couched in false politeness at this stage as you clearly won't listen to the episode no matter what I say and had no intention of doing so. :pac: I couldn't give a damn to be honest with you I just didn't like seeing it being misrepresented by people who hadn't listened to the podcast as you have absolutely no clue whatsoever what you are attacking, could you imagine going to other threads and doing the same, 'oh I haven't read this book, seen this film or listened to this but here's my uninformed opinion lads'. So 'Thanks anyway'.

cloudatlas wrote: »

I couldn't of put it any clearer, they discuss the pro slavery Irish lobby in the states who are obviously white and the benevolent 'white' benefactor and people who get it wrong in terms of being white allys but don't take a collaborative approach.

I genuinely don't think you've been clear at all. Are you saying that it's white people in America that are being referenced?

cloudatlas wrote: »

Now you are just asking questions in bad faith couched in false politeness at this stage as you clearly won't listen to the episode no matter what I say and had no intention of doing so. :pac:

How can you possibly think I'm asking questions in bad faith? In my first post I stated my reasons for not listening, I repeated the same question when you didn't appear to answer it in your replies. Consider it false politeness if you like, I appreciated you taking the time to respond regardless of whether I agree with the content.

cloudatlas wrote: »

I couldn't give a damn to be honest with you I just didn't like seeing it being misrepresented by people who hadn't listened to the podcast as you have absolutely no clue whatsoever what you are attacking

I haven't misrepresented anything from the podcast, how could I possibly do that if I haven't listened to it? What have I attacked? I'm sorry you feel this way but it seems like you are getting worked up about something that you've perceived in your own head.

I avoided listening to this podcast for years because I thought it was going to be superwoke. However, it's not like I expected. It find it very compelling, particularly his response to mainstream media and how it's really just old school and on the way out. I knew this already but he gave first-hand experiences from a person in the public eye. Great episode.

Also, the episode about lobster and how it was a food associated with the poor and was remarketed to higher classes changing the public perception of lobster forever.

There was an interview with documentary filmmaker Adam Curtis too. Great episode.

Also Blindboy's experience of our schooling system. His insight/hypothesis for why teachers were disagreeable with him partly due to him growing up in an adult family where he was the youngest and all his siblings were adults. This contributed to him talking to teachers/adults as equals and not so like a adult/child (respect your elders, dynamic).

For a man that's failed his Leaving, he's doing all right for himself.

There might be one or two things I'll disagree with anyone, but that doesn't discredit the value I get from the majority of their work with some exceptions.... I don't like when people get too preachy with politics. Not saying Blindboy does but Marc Maron does. I was no fan of Trump but I didn't hold it against acquaintances I have in the US that did vote for him. In fact. those people I know that did support him really broke the mold and MSM perception of the "racist" and "bigotted" Trump supporter. It just shone more of a light on the reality of what was happening and what the MSM was putting out. Anyway, my point is Maron got really preachy and alluded to 'anyone that voted for Trump is a Nazi' type of rhetoric a 12-year-old might think (no offence to 12yos). And I got to admit, it put me off him. It was unnecessary. Why alienate those people? You've automatically shut down any discourse by just branding anyone you disagree on how your country should be run as a Nazi.

I find Blindboy to be much more nuanced. So far I haven't experienced him being preachy or worse condemning of people he might disagree with on certain issues. I think he's too high in openness to do so. He's got that creative brain and intellectual curiosity that allows his content to be open anyone that share those traits, whether you agree with him or not.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

I avoided listening to this podcast for years because I thought it was going to be superwoke. However, it's not like I expected. It find it very compelling, particularly his response to mainstream media and how it's really just old school and on the way out. I knew this already but he gave first-hand experiences from a person in the public eye. Great episode.

Also, the episode about lobster and how it was a food associated with the poor and was remarketed to higher classes changing the public perception of lobster forever.

There was an interview with documentary filmmaker Adam Curtis too. Great episode.

Also Blindboy's experience of our schooling system. His insight/hypothesis for why teachers were disagreeable with him partly due to him growing up in an adult family where he was the youngest and all his siblings were adults. This contributed to him talking to teachers/adults as equals and not so like a adult/child (respect your elders, dynamic).

For a man that's failed his Leaving, he's doing all right for himself.

There might be one or two things I'll disagree with anyone, but that doesn't discredit the value I get from the majority of their work with some exceptions.... I don't like when people get too preachy with politics. Not saying Blindboy does but Marc Maron does. I was no fan of Trump but I didn't hold it against acquaintances I have in the US that did vote for him. In fact. those people I know that did support him really broke the mold and MSM perception of the "racist" and "bigotted" Trump supporter. It just shone more of a light on the reality of what was happening and what the MSM was putting out. Anyway, my point is Maron got really preachy and alluded to 'anyone that voted for Trump is a Nazi' type of rhetoric a 12-year-old might think (no offence to 12yos). And I got to admit, it put me off him. It was unnecessary. Why alienate those people? You've automatically shut down any discourse by just branding anyone you disagree on how your country should be run as a Nazi.

I find Blindboy to be much more nuanced. So far I haven't experienced him being preachy or worse condemning of people he might disagree with on certain issues. I think he's too high in openness to do so. He's got that creative brain and intellectual curiosity that allows his content to be open anyone that share those traits, whether you agree with him or not.

You re in good company.

https://twitter.com/Rubberbandits/status/1400940271890833412

It's wonderful and one of my favorite Podcasts is 13 steps I use to manage anxiety.

"by accident of his birth.."

Have you heard the episode of how/why he actually may have failed his Leaving? If so, I'd be happy to discuss the merits of his arguments with you. Regardless of where you are born or what privileges you may have been afforded, people will still go through; failures, failures of the system, poor judgements of authority figures, poor educators etc.

By your own argument about privilege, in "world terms" there should be no excuse for you or anyone in your family or anyone in Ireland to have fucked anything up in their lives because you are born into a western, civilized, European, 1st world, rich country with free education, an internet connection and a semi-functioning government with laws and subsidized 3rd level education and a generous enough welfare system.

Of course, we're all privileged to be born in Ireland, doesn't mean systems are perfect and people still aren't human and flawed.