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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #3632
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Teachers threatening to strike unless they are prioritised for vaccination

    Let them at it.


  • #3633
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    According to this Forbes article, 17 countries have put teachers as a top priority, and 56 haven't prioritised them at all.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorrison/2021/04/02/these-17-countries-have-prioritized-teachers-for-vaccination/?sh=1c6aeb015ec6

    Seems pretty obvious for them to be a priority, but then I am in one of those 17 countries. I'm struggling to think of any profession where an infected person would spend such large amounts of time with hundreds of people in various groups over the course of a week, with rules being disregarded constantly. It is absolutely nothing like retail etc.


  • #3634
    Jasper79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Jasper79


    Deleted User wrote: »
    According to this Forbes article, 17 countries have put teachers as a top priority, and 56 haven't prioritised them at all.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/nickmorrison/2021/04/02/these-17-countries-have-prioritized-teachers-for-vaccination/?sh=1c6aeb015ec6

    Seems pretty obvious for them to be a priority, but then I am in one of those 17 countries. I'm struggling to think of any profession where an infected person would spend such large amounts of time with hundreds of people in various groups over the course of a week, with rules being disregarded constantly. It is absolutely nothing like retail etc.

    What about childcare workers, absolutely disgraceful that they haven't been prioritised. They spend more time with children and have alot more contact. and they won't have the summer off work.


  • #3635
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Jasper79 wrote: »
    What about childcare workers, absolutely disgraceful that they haven't been prioritised. They spend more time with children and have alot more contact. and they won't have the summer off work.

    Yeah, prioritise them as well. But teachers go from class to class so it really does become a big number of close contacts very quickly and then they go home and spread it.

    They're at a high risk of getting it because of so many contacts, and then they can spread to many people as well.


  • #3636
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,817 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gael23 wrote: »
    Teachers threatening to strike unless they are prioritised for vaccination

    They always throw that threat around. Which is why sympathy for them is so low in general.


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  • #3637
    Jasper79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 522 ✭✭✭Jasper79


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yeah, prioritise them as well. But teachers go from class to class so it really does become a big number of close contacts very quickly and then they go home and spread it.

    Moving class to class would be secondary school, with more masks and social distancing so childcare workers def more vunerable.


  • #3638
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 18,046 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah, whatever. It just seems incredibly obvious as a society to prioritise the people most likely to get it and spread it to many others.

    Once you get the older and vulnerable done, targeting so you reduce overall community spread must be the best way. A 30-year-old teacher is going to do a lot more damage than a 50-year-old in an office or working from home.


  • #3639
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,856 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yeah, whatever. It just seems incredibly obvious as a society to prioritise the people most likely to get it and spread it to many others.

    Once you get the older and vulnerable done, targeting so you reduce overall community spread must be the best way. A 30-year-old teacher is going to do a lot more damage than a 50-year-old in an office or working from home.
    But the 50 year old is at more risk from death from covid than the 30 year old. Going that route you would need to vaccinate from young to old (limit spread) than old to young (limit risk)


  • #3640
    Martina1991
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yeah, whatever. It just seems incredibly obvious as a society to prioritise the people most likely to get it and spread it to many others.

    Once you get the older and vulnerable done, targeting so you reduce overall community spread must be the best way. A 30-year-old teacher is going to do a lot more damage than a 50-year-old in an office or working from home.

    Has there been any evidence that teachers catch covid at a higher rate than other workers?

    Covid would likely do a lot more damage to s 50 year old than a 30 year old. That's the reason behind prioritising age.

    Even if teachers were prioritized, they wouldn't be done ahead of the over 70s and medically vulnerable. So they'd be started around June, when they're off for 3 months. Makes no sense to prioritize teachers.


  • #3641
    Turtwig
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    Are the teachers actually threatening strike over this or is it just the media posing the question and the spokesperson being unable to rule out the possibility?


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  • #3642
    [Deleted User]
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    If it makes no sense to prioritise teachers, it makes no sense to prioritise anyone by their job.


  • #3643
    Scuid Mhór
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1379015462437146624?s=19

    30,503 doses on good friday. Great news.

    One day at a time everyone!


  • #3644
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    Jaysus, talking about COVID on reddit is some event. You get all sides attacking you at once :pac:


  • #3645
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,856 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Not sure if the hospital figures were posted, I think it was just updated this morning:

    Hospital: 250 (+15)
    ICU: 56 (-5)
    2 Deaths in ICU

    This time Last week:
    Hospital: 328
    ICU: 68


  • #3646
    irishguy1983
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,389 ✭✭✭irishguy1983


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Would be great to get to 30k every day once supply ramps up. Even better when it's 1 dose J and J. https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1379016497335504905?s=19

    Anyone know a bit more about J and J vaccine? I saw a video online(not sure it is real) and it looks like you can fling the vaccine out?! I use that word flippantly.... I saw people rocking up to a car park in the US, not even getting out of the car and getting a jab through the window? 5 minute job like?!


  • #3647
    Happydays2020
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    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Anyone know a bit more about J and J vaccine? I saw a video online(not sure it is real) and it looks like you can fling the vaccine out?! I use that word flippantly.... I saw people rocking up to a car park in the US, not even getting out of the car and getting a jab through the window? 5 minute job like?!

    When are we expected to see J and J here?


  • #3648
    irishguy1983
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    They always throw that threat around. Which is why sympathy for them is so low in general.

    Some analysts suggested this is what government wanted - teachers go on strike rather than govt closing schools....Considering only 6/7 weeks left in school year seems a bit silly to be re opening all of them....


  • #3649
    irishguy1983
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    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    When are we expected to see J and J here?

    Late April but ya never know with so many stories doing the rounds on newspapers...


  • #3650
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    When are we expected to see J and J here?

    I think its the 19th April


  • #3651
    thebiglad
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    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Anyone know a bit more about J and J vaccine? I saw a video online(not sure it is real) and it looks like you can fling the vaccine out?! I use that word flippantly.... I saw people rocking up to a car park in the US, not even getting out of the car and getting a jab through the window? 5 minute job like?!

    Mother in law got her jab through car window at her GP surgery, its not a J&J thing, guess its simple logistics of how the site is set up. Once jabbed you have to park and wait on site for 15 minutes.

    The issue apparently is people turning up too early and therefore lack of room at the car park as they park up to wait their turn in spaces needed for those who have been jabbed and need to wait the 15 mins.

    Would work fine if space permits...


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  • #3652
    Call me Al
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    irishguy1983 wrote: »
    Some analysts suggested this is what government wanted - teachers go on strike rather than govt closing schools....Considering only 6/7 weeks left in school year seems a bit silly to be re opening all of them....

    You really believe that any politician wants the chaos and controversy of last year's leaving cert playing out for April and May all over again?
    I don't think so..


  • #3653
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,990 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Not sure if the hospital figures were posted, I think it was just updated this morning:

    Hospital: 250 (+15)
    ICU: 56 (-5)
    2 Deaths in ICU

    This time Last week:
    Hospital: 328
    ICU: 68

    Good numbers for a Sunday


  • #3654
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    When are we expected to see J and J here?

    First batch being delivered on the 19th I believe.

    I fully believe they’ll hold J&J back for the age cohorts. If they really want to have them done in July then it makes sense. The vulnerables will get their AZ first dose this month and their second by the end of July, so everyone will be done then.


  • #3655
    Rebelbrowser
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    Teacher's unions very quick now to call teachers front line workers. Funny they weren't that when they wanted schools closed during previous outbreaks. Doctors, nurses, carers, shop workers, delivery workers, gardai, firefighters, etc had no such luxury. They are front line workers to a far greater extent than teachers.


  • #3656
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    Teacher's unions very quick now to call teachers front line workers. Funny they weren't that when they wanted schools closed during previous outbreaks. Doctors, nurses, carers, shop workers, delivery workers, gardai, firefighters, etc had no such luxury. They are front line workers to a far greater extent than teachers.

    Teacher’s are absolutely frontline. Nobody can deny that.


  • #3657
    TheDoctor
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    SleetAndSnow wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1379015462437146624?s=19

    30,503 doses on good friday. Great news.

    Just over 1 out of 8 people in Ireland with one dose

    Just over 1 out of 20 people in Ireland fully vaccinated


  • #3658
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Just over 1 out of 8 people in Ireland with one dose

    Just over 1 out of 20 people in Ireland fully vaccinated

    Over three months in. I hope to god we get the promised supplies.


  • #3659
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,560 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    The cynic in me thinks teachers want priority because they see international summer travel bring much freer for those vaccinated.

    Teachers should not get priority. Leave them strike, it will save on the wage bill.


  • #3660
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,506 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Teacher’s are absolutely frontline. Nobody can deny that.

    But my point is that they are selectively front line, i.e. when case numbers rise they get taken off the front line which isn't true of the other professions I mentioned. Hence I think their case is weaker than those other professions yet their unions make the most noise. No one really fighting for the rights of the minimum wage checkout girl in Tesco who worked from March 2020 to August 2020 and Jan 2021 to March 2021 when teachers didn't.


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  • #3661
    [Deleted User]
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    Yeah, it's pretty much impossible to have a normal conversation about teachers when so many people hate them from their time in school and because of jealousy over holidays.


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