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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #3542
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Faugheen wrote: »
    You've watched all the briefings yet believe that NPHET wants to bring everything down to zero.

    You'll have to excuse me if I call bollocks on this one, because it most certainly is.

    What quantifiable point are NPHET hoping to achieve?

    Don’t curse in every post, it comes across poorly


  • #3543
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    lol - must be public sector company. In the real world the staff get changed not the policies.

    Lol- public or private it’s the same

    If you think as a manager you will remove multiple permanent employees and not find yourself in the labour court your living in the 70’s.

    If policy is failing its reviewed and changed


  • #3544
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    What quantifiable point are NPHET hoping to achieve?

    That tells me exactly that you don't watch every briefing and certainly didn't watch the last one.
    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Don’t curse in every post, it comes across poorly

    Don't patronise me.

    Again, you took issue with my post instead of the one spreading rapid conspiracy theories. Don't be surprised if people think you're chatting sh*t.


  • #3545
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Lol- public or private it’s the same

    If you think as a manager you will remove multiple permanent employees and not find yourself in the labour court your living in the 70’s.

    If policy is failing its reviewed and changed

    Dig away. One would be enough. Good luck in the high court having breached stated company policy.


  • #3546
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    timsey tiger wrote: »
    Dig away. One would be enough. Good luck in the high court having breached stated company policy.

    Your alluding to one staff member breaking policy, nobody mentioned that only you.

    I mentioned multiple staff breaking policy being a policy failure

    Are you seriously suggesting removing multiple staff from a company would be a wise move for an employer?


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  • #3547
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,683 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Deleted User wrote: »
    NPHET have made pregnant the problem that if cases are 300-600 now, with 900,000 vaccinations, is that equivalent to 300-600 cases with zero vaccinations at all?

    Self-evidently not.

    Having 900,000 jabs into patients arms serves as a significant advantage.

    So, why is case numbers not similarly revised?

    Why isn't 1,000-2,000 cases considered now acceptable given that almost a million vaccines have been administered?

    Why is no difference made between the situation as then was, versus the situation we now face?

    It's all very unusual.

    There are clear differences - and the position is now in our favour. But we hear next to nothing about this; only that 600 cases is still VERY HIGH.



    We currently have just over 250k people fully vaccinated. The rollout is accelerating with greater supply and over the next month or two this will all be factored into opening things back up.


    If we rush it there is a risk of a 4th wave and as we have seen before this can take 3-4 months to get under control so instead of things opening we would be shut for the summer which no one wants.


  • #3548
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,599 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Your alluding to one staff member breaking policy, nobody mentioned that only you.

    I mentioned multiple staff breaking policy being a policy failure

    Are you seriously suggesting removing multiple staff from a company would be a wise move for an employer?

    I guess none so blind as those that will not see applies here.

    Otherwise, I'm in serious danger of getting beaten by experience.


  • #3549
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Faugheen wrote: »
    That tells me exactly that you don't watch every briefing and certainly didn't watch the last one.

    What bit was quantifiable for removing mitigation?
    There is a critical window over the next 8 weeks where any significant increase in close contact is likely to lead to a significant fourth wave of infection in the range of that experienced in January 2021.

    It was more of this type nonsense


  • #3550
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Hạ Long Bay wrote: »
    We currently have just over 250k people fully vaccinated. The rollout is accelerating with greater supply and over the next month or two this will all be factored into opening things back up.


    If we rush it there is a risk of a 4th wave and as we have been before this can take 3-4 months to get under control so instead of things opening we would be shut for the summer which no one wants.

    I struggle with the lack of appreciation for what’s being sacrificed by this stage.

    5 of the last 6 months restricted to 5km from home, going to change to only 20km until Summer likely.

    And the belief that even making small changes will cause a wave seen when nobody was vaccinated, all socialising occurred indoors and a few thousand came to the country from overseas.


  • #3551
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,683 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I struggle with the lack of appreciation for what’s being sacrificed by this stage.

    5 of the last 6 months restricted to 5km from home, going to change to only 10km until Summer likely.

    And the belief that even making small changes will cause a wave seen when nobody was vaccinated, all socialising occurred indoors and a few thousand came to the country from overseas.




    Have a quick read of what's actually happening instead of a made up scenario that you are getting angry about.


    https://www.gov.ie/en/press-release/81029-government-announces-phased-easing-of-public-health-restrictions/


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  • #3552
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,305 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    restricted to 5km from home, going to change to only 10km until Summer likely.
    .

    You what?????


    Have you been keeping up to date at all?


  • #3553
    Aph2016
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 445 ✭✭Aph2016


    Adherence to the restrictions must be at an all time low. With the good weather and Easter weekend, people are having get togethers, breaking the 5km limit, fresh haircuts all over the place, tonnes of businesses are back working regardless of being essential or not.

    Expedite the reduction or end of these restrictions and let us live our lives. We are in a far better place than this time last year with the vaccines that have already been administered.


  • #3554
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    I struggle with the lack of appreciation for what’s being sacrificed by this stage.

    5 of the last 6 months restricted to 5km from home, going to change to only 10km until Summer likely.

    hahahaha "I wAtCh AlL oF tHe BrIeFiNgS."

    Found out for chatting absolute bollocks, again.


  • #3555
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,366 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    2 protests expected at the same time.

    1 anti lockdown, anti vax, anti mask etc

    The other a counter protest against , fascists, anti-mask, anti-vaccine protesters from "taking over" has also been organised.

    So yeah fun afternoon for the Gardai

    8 arrests today.


  • #3556
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    What bit was quantifiable for removing mitigation?



    It was more of this type nonsense

    Also, just to go back on this.

    Out of everything said on Wednesday's briefing, which you claimed to watch, this is the only thing you can pick out?

    You're actually a bigger fearmonger than George Lee. The briefing on Wednesday highlighted exactly why they were saying that and how vaccinations will impact on the R number.

    I don't even know why I'm bothering. You don't want to listen, you want to whip up fear and get people to turn against a bunch of civil servants.


  • #3557
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    You what?????


    Have you been keeping up to date at all?

    Apologies 20km


  • #3558
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Hạ Long Bay wrote: »
    We currently have just over 250k people fully vaccinated. The rollout is accelerating with greater supply and over the next month or two this will all be factored into opening things back up.


    If we rush it there is a risk of a 4th wave and as we have seen before this can take 3-4 months to get under control so instead of things opening we would be shut for the summer which no one wants.

    Some people think because we're say 6 weeks behind the UK with vaccinations, we should open faster and before the UK. It's madness.

    The UK & USA will be 2 to look at. UK taking a cautious approach, but haven't exactly reopened yet, the USA a little behind them on the vaccine front (1st doses) and already hospital admissions are increasing and the likes of IL looking like entering a 4th wave.


  • #3559
    DellyBelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,617 ✭✭✭DellyBelly


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    Adherence to the restrictions must be at an all time low. With the good weather and Easter weekend, people are having get togethers, breaking the 5km limit, fresh haircuts all over the place, tonnes of businesses are back working regardless of being essential or not.

    Expedite the reduction or end of these restrictions and let us live our lives. We are in a far better place than this time last year with the vaccines that have already been administered.

    Have to say I was so tempted to go to the beach today which is just outside my 5km limit. The weather was fantastic but now only have to wait for another week.. Can't wait


  • #3560
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,683 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Apologies 20km



    I even provided a link to the statement in my reply and you still providing misinformation.


    Travel:

    You can travel within your county or within 20km of your home if crossing county boundaries


  • #3561
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Apologies 20km

    Still incorrect.


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  • #3562
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Faugheen wrote: »
    hahahaha "I wAtCh AlL oF tHe BrIeFiNgS."

    Found out for chatting absolute bollocks, again.
    Faugheen wrote: »
    Also, just to go back on this.

    Out of everything said on Wednesday's briefing, which you claimed to watch, this is the only thing you can pick out?

    You're actually a bigger fearmonger than George Lee. The briefing on Wednesday highlighted exactly why they were saying that and how vaccinations will impact on the R number.

    I don't even know why I'm bothering. You don't want to listen, you want to whip up fear and get people to turn against a bunch of civil servants.

    Will you try stop cursing in so many of your posts, it comes across poorly.

    NPHET talking about the R number?

    They lost credibility on their understanding of the R number last July

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0709/1152238-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/
    The National Public Health Emergency Team has said there is an "immediate need to take care and caution", as the reproductive rate of Covid-19 in Ireland now stands at, or above, 1.


    That was what NPHET were discussing on a day when Ireland had 23 cases

    Can’t say I’ve great confidence in them reading that rubbish


  • #3563
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,305 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Apologies 20km

    And that's not correct either.

    :rolleyes:


  • #3564
    Ha Long Bay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,683 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    Some people think because we're say 6 weeks behind the UK with vaccinations, we should open faster and before the UK. It's madness.

    The UK & USA will be 2 to look at. UK taking a cautious approach, but haven't exactly reopened yet, the USA a little behind them on the vaccine front (1st doses) and already hospital admissions are increasing and the likes of IL looking like entering a 4th wave.



    We are in a good position at the moment with hospital numbers decreasing, vaccine rollout ramping up and important things like schools open and more construction back in next few weeks.

    It would be ridiculous to throw all that away now and risk being locked down during the summer. The last few months have been tough on everyone.


  • #3565
    Russman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Russman


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Will you try stop cursing in so many of your posts, it comes across poorly.

    NPHET talking about the R number?

    They lost credibility on their understanding of the R number last July

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0709/1152238-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/

    That was what NPHET were discussing on a day when Ireland had 23 cases

    Can’t say I’ve great confidence in them reading that rubbish

    So, as cases were increasing, the R number was greater than or at 1, and this is rubbish how ? I’ll grant you it was from a low base.


  • #3566
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Aph2016 wrote: »
    Adherence to the restrictions must be at an all time low. With the good weather and Easter weekend, people are having get togethers, breaking the 5km limit, fresh haircuts all over the place, tonnes of businesses are back working regardless of being essential or not.

    Expedite the reduction or end of these restrictions and let us live our lives. We are in a far better place than this time last year with the vaccines that have already been administered.

    Of course we are in a far better place

    Even vaccinating the HCWs is a massive boost for preventing transmission in hospital

    About 650,000 first doses gone in

    But there is still a justification for continuing the cautious reopening by people who don’t think the vaccine will work

    It’s time to change our focus onto the cost of all this with immediate effect


  • #3567
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Russman wrote: »
    So, as cases were increasing, the R number was greater than or at 1, and this is rubbish how ? I’ll grant you it was from a low base.

    So you believe the R number is relevant or accurate with case numbers that low?


  • #3568
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Hạ Long Bay wrote: »
    We are in a good position at the moment with hospital numbers decreasing, vaccine rollout ramping up and important things like schools open and more construction back in next few weeks.

    It would be ridiculous to throw all that away now and risk being locked down during the summer. The last few months have been tough on everyone.

    Totally agree, every week we wait is over 200k vaccinated in April. But it will get to a point where you can't keep people locked down and the talk has to turn to reopening. If cases keep level at ~500 a day and vaccinations stay steady at over 200k a week, then we need a road map with dates.

    I think once we get that, people will be relieved and can plan and see the way out. As long as the dates are not in the second half of the year!


  • #3569
    Faugheen
    Site Banned Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭Faugheen


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Will you try stop cursing in so many of your posts, it comes across poorly.

    NPHET talking about the R number?

    They lost credibility on their understanding of the R number last July

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0709/1152238-covid19-coronavirus-ireland/




    That was what NPHET were discussing on a day when Ireland had 23 cases

    Can’t say I’ve great confidence in them reading that rubbish

    Don't tell me how to post. You actually post lies and bollocks then you try to patronise me.

    If you don't like my posts, then ignore me. It's very f*cking simple.

    And the rest of your post show exactly how little you actually know. An R number of 1 means 1 person is passing it onto one other person. An R number of 0.5 means 2 people are passing it onto one person.

    If you are starting at a low base, 23 cases, then it's going to be very easy for the R number to reach 1.

    What part of that do you have difficulty with?


  • #3570
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    FintanMcluskey wrote: »
    Of course we are in a far better place

    Even vaccinating the HCWs is a massive boost for preventing transmission in hospital

    About 650,000 first doses gone in

    But there is still a justification for continuing the cautious reopening by people who don’t think the vaccine will work

    It’s time to change our focus onto the cost of all this with immediate effect

    Who has stated they don't think the vaccine works?


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  • #3571
    FintanMcluskey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,725 ✭✭✭FintanMcluskey


    Faugheen wrote: »
    Don't tell me how to post. You actually post lies and bollocks then you try to patronise me.

    If you don't like my posts, then ignore me. It's very f*cking simple.

    And the rest of your post show exactly how little you actually know. An R number of 1 means 1 person is passing it onto one other person. An R number of 0.5 means 2 people are passing it onto one person.

    If you are starting at a low base, 23 cases, then it's going to be very easy for the R number to reach 1.

    What part of that do you have difficulty with?


    I can’t understand the persistence with defending NPHET at all costs

    Do you honestly believe the R number is either relevant or accurate with such low case numbers?


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